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Topic: help me be pro-active with pluto
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good girl
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From: ohio
Registered: Nov 2008
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posted December 22, 2008 08:47 PM
 
I have pluto conj uranus in the 1st. Pluto is the ruler of my 4th. I want to be pro-active in experiencing pluto. I think it helps keeps the energy that wants in my life from making a sudden dramatic entrance that I will then find unpleasant.
I manage uranus through my astrology, for example.
And in about a year or so pluto will conj. the mercury (ruler of my Asc)in my 5th. I want to give it a safe outlet...Any ideas for hobbies,etc.... IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
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From: New Brighton, MN, USA
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posted December 22, 2008 09:23 PM
Nuclear scientist.  I have several friends from the Pluto conj Uranus in Virgo generation.....
One runs her own business, which pretty well keeps her out of trouble. And talking with me helps her de-fuse her Mars in Gem that squares the two Outers 
I have a feeling that if I wasn't around, the landscape around her would be a wasteland  You Pluto/Uranus people are very special -- a really creative and dynamic bunch  IP: Logged |
Aphrodite
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posted December 23, 2008 07:55 PM
Oh honey you just don't tell Pluto what to do and order her around during a transit . . . (Though this may be your natural tendency as a 1st house Pluto ) She is the force of mother nature
wildy unpredictable
a source of infinite healing,
sex, magic and regeneration She'll come around and make her presence known ~ no doubt about it. If you're smart you will surrender and bend like the willow tree in the transit.  IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
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posted December 23, 2008 08:21 PM
I agree with Aphrodite's thoughts
"Surrender" is the operative word during a Pluto transit. Awhile ago I had two hellacious years of tPluto sq nMoon. The key is "don't fight it -- cope." Bend. If you don't, Pluto will snap that stubbornness/fearfulness-of-change like a twig and make you learn those lessons the hard way instead of the easier path. I had tPluto squaring my nMerc about 10 (Pluto) degrees ago. No big deal. IP: Logged |
koiflower
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From: Australia
Registered: Jun 2008
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posted December 23, 2008 08:27 PM
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You Pluto/Uranus people are very special -- a really creative and dynamic bunch
Why thank you good girl - while being creative and dynamic, "let go" and you'll find your talents will land you right where you want to be
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good girl
Knowflake Posts: 480
From: ohio
Registered: Nov 2008
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posted December 23, 2008 08:51 PM
I beg to differ. Transformation is the operative word for a pluto transit. And if it be a transformation with active participation it is no less represented by the transit.
I have some experience with this. Let me tell you a true story:
At the beginning of my neptune conj sun in 5th transit my son was found to have a tumor in the lymph node. Doctor after doc. wanted to operate right away, an operation that would leave him slack faced on one side and involved cracking open the jaw bone. He was about 12. The 4th doc. we convinced to give us a month, this was all too sudden! (one doc. only looked at my son for 5 min!!! before declaring he must be operated on right away!)
Anyway I was aware of the transit, knew I was also newly involved with prayer. We prayed and I got rid of all my astro books (hundreds of dollars worth!!) as an act of faith BUT also because I was sacrificing my identity/astrology (uranus was also involved) rather than my son. When we went back the doc. couldn't believe it, all the test came back that the tumor was completely gone.
I'm acknowledging God did the work but see how by being pro active the loss of self and identity that was coming through my 5th house (house of children,identity and hobbies--Astrology was so tied to who I was and I gave it up for 5 years). Had I not voluntarily sacrificed my ego one way it would have been perhaps through my son.
I have other such stories, each amazing. So I really think you can love and work with these "challenging transits".
I would rather open a door and invite pluto in my life, than not have a door and wait to find out where he shall crash in. P.s. I just wanted to add that it was a bigger deal giving up astrology than it sounds. It was my religion at the time, I cried and cried as I carried those books away. I truly suffered a loss of identity, I never, ever thought I would give my astrology up. IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
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From: New Brighton, MN, USA
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posted December 23, 2008 09:48 PM
The term "surrender" doesn't mean there wasn't "active participation" on my part
The "open door" was an apt metaphor on your part
In my case, I had to learn to let go of some old emotional baggage. I had to revise the way I felt/thought about some things. I *had to* -- if I didn't do it willingly, actively (surrender to what I knew I had to do instead of stubbornly cling to how I'd always felt) then tPluto would have "arranged it" so that I would be forced to face my issues in a more difficult scenario, in order to get to the transformation that was on the agenda.As an example of Doing It The Hard Way, a friend of a friend has been enduring almost 3 years of VERY challenging Pluto, Saturn, Chiron and Uranus transits -- to his Moon, Nodes, Sun and Venus. He's staying in a bad marriage and hasn't loved his wife for years. He's done nothing but hide, avoid, disconnect, and go thru the motions of his day. He's lost weight, looks 10 years older, and may be abusing substances. His actions have chased off the few friends he has, and he's alienating clients. He's avoiding "active participation" with all the strength in his body/mind, so things in every facet of his life are spiraling down, and down. All my friend can do is watch the self-destruct sequence with sadness, as he won't return her calls. If instead he had worked with the planetary energies as they presented themselves to him (so to speak), life today might be very different for him. Of course, all these perceptions of mine are just that: opinions of an outsider -- I can't know what's going on inside him. Perhaps he chose (free will), or is "meant" (fate), to go thru these extreme emotional hardships to gain insights that could come no other way. IP: Logged |
koiflower
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From: Australia
Registered: Jun 2008
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posted December 24, 2008 12:12 AM
Sacrifice means to give up something for something better. good girl - your sacrifice for your son's sake brought about better health for your son. You let go of something for something better. You thought creatively for your solutions and used that energy to direct you in a successful way.Accept, reflect, sacrifice(?), create, transform.........It's a life process, the Plutonian way 
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Aphrodite
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posted December 24, 2008 12:42 AM
Oh goody, a debate ~'Zala the Libra and Good Girl 1st House Plutonian. This ought to be very interesting and thought provoking . . . please continue ladies . . . In Frasier Crane's voice, "I'm listening."  IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
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From: New Brighton, MN, USA
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posted December 24, 2008 11:35 AM
Aphrodite -- I have Pluto conj Asc, I surely don't feel at a disadvantage
You know, the Libran could use some Aries perspective to balance her points OK foodgirl, let's look at it this way
In your example, you willingly opened a door – you didn’t want to, but you felt that opening that door and walking thru it (merely opening it is also active participation) was what had to be done.
You knew that walking through it (getting rid of all your astrology books) was going to be painful. You surrendered your own personal desires/wants/ego, you sacrified those to benefit another person (your son). I don’t see that we *have* a debate here – I think basically we’re saying the same things in a different way
I knew Pluto/Moon was coming up for me. I have free will. So I surrendered (that IS active participation) and tried to cope with the challenges to my emotional values. I don’t believe that type of action is the expression of a person who feels bound to the whims of Fate. I believe that is using my Free Will. btw, I’ll see if I can find one of HSC’s treatises on free will, I think you would enjoy discussing it with him What did you think of *my* example, of a person with the door bolted, cowering behind the couch, sure that something awful is going to burst thru at any moment?? Since I’ve reached my smiley limit, now I’ll go respond in your other thread….. IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
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From: New Brighton, MN, USA
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posted December 24, 2008 01:14 PM
Here's that Free Will discussion link I was thinking of -- get a cuppa java and set aside an hour or so
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002270.html IP: Logged |
AceNeerav
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From: Mumbai, Maharashtra, India
Registered: Apr 2008
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posted December 25, 2008 12:25 AM
pluto in 1st house? how about demolition squad? or weapons design? or martial arts?IP: Logged |
good girl
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From: ohio
Registered: Nov 2008
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posted December 28, 2008 09:52 PM
I agree that we are saying the same thing in different ways..(my moon is in libra!)... about the bolted door and cowering behind a couch...It's tempting sometimes . ...and there is probably more than a little truth in what Aphrodite said about pluto in 1st wanting to tell Pluto what to do! Hum...Nuclear scientist, I'll consider it.
Although do you think a sex therapist also falls under that pluto catagory........ IP: Logged |
pidaua
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From: Germany.. but my heart is with my husband in Iraq
Registered: May 2002
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posted December 29, 2008 06:50 AM
I have Pluto conjunct ASC in my first house (which is shares, closely but not too closely with Uranus). I also have Sun in Sag square my Pluto / ASC conjunction.I happen to adore Pluto. Yes, it can be a bit heavy handed at times and cause grief when one fights the changes, but I have learned to accept the energy rather than fight it.. I guess one could say "redirect" . Since Pluto is the planet of transformation and trancendance, I looked at how to make things better around me to benefit all instead of how to just benefit ME. At this time Pluto has left my Sun.. LOL.. For a good 4-5 years Pluto was either in my 3rd house of communication (I am ruled my Mercury / Virgo), sitting on top of my Venus in the 4th then onto my sun... or playing ping pong with both my Sun / Venus LOL.. Or my personal favorite.. When it was conjuncting my sun in Sag and opposing tSaturn in Gemini about 4 years ago... wow.. has it been that long? Yes. I felt like a cosmic sandwich. The journey continues and tPluto is on its way to my natal Mercury in Capricon (11 degrees) and now playing ping pong between my Sun and Merc. I have noticed to be a bit more careful with my word as it may sound (read) heavy handed at times. tSaturn is in my 12th house, about ready to make contact with my Pluto / ASC.. My only wonder is how things are going to play out when big bad Saturn conjuncts my Uranus and sets off the big T-square (moon in Aries 7th house and Merc in Cappy 4th). LOL... BUT.. I have over a year to think about that one IP: Logged |
Aphrodite
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posted December 29, 2008 02:05 PM
Wow, I mean wow Pid ~  *For now* I am going along with the old saying, "Ignorance is bliss." Pluto in Capricorn is going to square or oppose 4 Cardinal planets and conjunct my moon. I don't know when and I don't want to know . . . ! Pluto can just let it rip and I'll be here at the steer navigating along. Hopefully I'd been a good girl and Pluto doesn't let out a Tsunami. IP: Logged |
pidaua
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From: Germany.. but my heart is with my husband in Iraq
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posted December 29, 2008 02:19 PM
Aphrodite...I am so glad to see you posting. I have to admit, I have not posted as much in the last few years as I used to (maybe Pluto on me ol' sun?). I hear you.. I do that sometimes to because transits will happen no matter what, worrying about won't change that but preparing for it..well.. I guess can just make us more paranoid I have only three Cardinal planets- Uranus (Libra), Mercury (Capricorn) and Moon (Aries). Still.. it should be interesting next year.
I'm like you though.. ignorance is bliss... Good thing for us we are Fire signs and will meet the challenge head on our just try to burn it up
Big hugs Aphrodite. I've miss you- old friend IP: Logged |
Aphrodite
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posted January 06, 2009 11:44 PM
Hi Pidaua,I am sorry for the late reply. I've been running around like a chicken with its head cut off. I finally found time today to write back, but have certainly thought of you. How was your New Year's? I haven't posted here as much in the last few years either. A lot has changed. I had a big career switch in 2006 and for a year prior to this, I was doing freelance consulting work. The new career is a great fit for Mercury conjunct Venus in the 10th house, both trining Jupiter. It's in sales I had also met Mr. Virgo in 2006 and we're still going strong  . He has his moon sign in the same crazy clown sign as your Sun sign, Sagittarius. Sometimes he has a case of foot in the mouth disease I am in San Francisco and in the same old apartment. You know, I never thought I would live here for as long as I have. It's been almost 8 years since I moved from home. Like how Alicia Keys sings it, the way I feel about this city is: "Sometimes I love you, sometimes you make me blue!" And it goes on and on. I have done things that I never thought I would do. To be honest, I really do think you have a good life. It just feels right when I read your posts these days ~ even though I never really take notice of *when* in your life this is taking place. So what, right? I have a Cappy Moon and always tell Mr. Virgo that our kids are going to be the ones with the "older parents" in school! Well I have told you more than I have ever done so before! I guess the Universe has Lindaland for us to keep in touch. I miss you too! *hugs* Love, Aphrodite IP: Logged |
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