posted January 18, 2009 05:44 AM         

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Older people are beginning to be allowed to be attractive in our society - a concession that's been wrung out of the media by constant campaigning. But it's an attractiveness that all too often is based on a paradigm of feigned youth.

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Very true, in my opinion.

He starts off by saying how his mother can't understand why men run off with younger women, she has only ever been attracted to men her own age. Self says that:

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...I find people in their twenties, and even thirties increasingly bland to talk to ....

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He qualifies this by saying their lack of experience, the lack of cultural references he shares, etc. He finishes the article by saying:

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It's one thing to look upon the old as wise - it's quite another to see that very wisdom as deeply attractive. Indeed, I'd argue that it is not until we begin to do this that we'll be able to address the shocking disrespect shown to old people in Britain today....

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posted January 18, 2009 05:49 AM         

Isn't Dame Judi a Capricorn? She oozes competence, confidence and inner strength. I also like her elegant and understated style.

Another older woman who has this quality and who is coincidentally also a titled Lady (Lady Hayden-Guest) :-

When I looked for an image of her to put on this thread (now the rebirthed version), I found this article:

http://movies.about.com/od/skippingchristmas/a/kranksjc111904_3.htm

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It’s not her fault but I remember seeing the poster for a movie that Candy Bergen was in. It was that airplane movie, that stewardess movie that came out about a year ago, and there was a line of people in the poster. Somehow somebody figured out that that’s supposed to be a good advertising tool. So they’ve got the line of people and I remember going down the line of people and I was in my car at a stoplight. I looked up at the poster and I went, “That’s so and so. That’s so and so.” And I literally got to the last person and it was like, “Who is that?” And I thought at one point that it was like Brittany Murphy or somebody and then I realized… “What is that? Oh my God!” I mean, it was like one of those moments. I said, “That can’t be Candy Bergen.” And I mean I swear to God, they had her painted like she was 18. So at some point that has gotten so insane that seeing a real 46 year old woman, who by the way watches what she eats, doesn’t drink alcohol, goes to the gym – not often, but enough. I don’t eat dessert. I don’t eat bread anymore. You know, I watch what I eat. That’s what I look like. I’m a Hungarian Jew. My grandmother, God rest her soul, was a Hungarian Jew. I am my grandmother now. And that’s who I am so that’s the reality. I just think we’ve been so drunk with this fake image of people that nobody can take looking at a real woman in a string bikini anymore and go, “Ohhhh.”

…You know who did [show a real woman’s body]? Kathy Bates. Kathy Bates in “About Schmidt.” She looked fabulous. She looked like a woman. Those are the examples of people looking like real people. But people aren’t going to the movies necessarily to see real people. They want the fantasy. They want to believe in this kind of more glamorous life. And by the way, there’s nothing wrong with it. If that’s something that you want to believe in, there’s plenty out there to believe in. There are plenty of women who will lead you down that fantasy path. I’m not that person.

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posted January 18, 2009 06:01 AM         

A classic example. She looks good, and she has an aura of sense and strength.

posted January 18, 2009 06:10 AM         

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it's quite another to see that very wisdom as deeply attractive

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posted January 18, 2009 03:34 PM         

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Isn't Dame Judi a Capricorn? She oozes competence, confidence and inner strength. I also like her elegant and understated style.

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According to IMDB, she's a Sagittarius: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001132/
I think she has a Capricorn Moon, though. A midday birth would put it at 24*Cap.