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Lara
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posted January 23, 2009 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
This eclipse is really doing my emotions in and i'm not happy that, after so many months of explaining to anyone who was interested that Obama is just another Bush, here we are "day 1" and he's bombing the hell out of Pakistan, all in the name of
"war on terrorism"

welcome to WW3, courtesy of Barry Obama. grrrrrrr

sorry guys, l know a lot of you are American but it is absolutely unacceptable to bomb Pakistan like that as there is little terrorism anyway, it's just an excuse for other reasons - ALL of them MONEY-orientated.

I condemn his actions. Some saviour he is! pffff

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Azalaksh
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posted January 23, 2009 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
Pakistan publicly protests the strikes in the northwest as violations of its sovereignty that often kill civilians and undermine its own campaign against terrorists that have also launched bloody attacks on domestic targets.

But many observers believe the government secretly agrees with the tactic and may provide intelligence on the targets, noting that Islamabad’s admitting to assisting the attacks would be politically damaging.


~ Associated Press writers Munir Ahmad and Asif Shahzad in Islamabad and Ishtiaq Mahsud in Dera Ismail Khan contributed to this report.

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writesomething
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posted January 23, 2009 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for writesomething     Edit/Delete Message
lesser of two evils..I liked Obama but his insane popularity scares me....makes me suspicious almost.

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MyVirgoMask
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posted January 23, 2009 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
He can't really help his popularity or people's feelings...its people's reactions which can be extreme. It's dangerous to view someone as some kind of messiah or to demonize them, though I think this is exactly what's happening.
People keep forgetting that he's just human. I personally really feel good about him, but I'm not going to see him as some kind of 'savior'. He's just one person.

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LEXX
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posted January 23, 2009 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
He's got one hell of a still flaming hot "Bushie" fire to put out...
and repercussion fires from old "Halliburton Dickie" too.

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Lara
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posted January 23, 2009 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Me too Writesomething... me too. He's no messiah that's for sure.

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MyVirgoMask
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posted January 23, 2009 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
I actually feel bad about how much crap he has to deal with from all the remaining insanity which was left behind. Not good. No easy task. One person, a mere mortal. No more, no less.

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virgotaurustaurus
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posted January 23, 2009 09:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for virgotaurustaurus     Edit/Delete Message
I feel similar to you, MyVirgoMask...people keep forgetting the "we" in Yes We Can! means them too, Obama is asking his "fans" to stand up and make change just as much as he claims to want to. There's so much idolatry going on right now, it freaks me out.

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Lara
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posted January 23, 2009 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
He doesn't want change... he just wants the country to believe in and back him so he can go to WAR!

It's so obvious it's insane. Are you aware that the US watches different news footage to the rest of the world? This is so the Govt can indoctrinate it's people into believing that war is the only option.
Unreal.

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LEXX
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posted January 23, 2009 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
Americans can get news from The BBC and Al Jazeera. We are not that "insulated".

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MyVirgoMask
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posted January 23, 2009 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
"He doesn't want change... he just wants the country to believe in and back him so he can go to WAR!"

That's a rather hysterical statement.

I don't watch US news. I read it online. I also read international papers, and watch international news on the satellite.
You can't BLAME a single person in this instance, Lara, and say it's all Obama. WTF. The guy just got here and you're already bashing him?
There are MANY problems in the US, but I'm not about to point my fingers at the government only. I'm much more willing to bash the hell out of the lobbyists as well

I personally blame those who aren't educated enough to research what's going on. It's a lousy responsibility to live in this country sometimes. But I'm not about to bash Obama.
And I don't take too kindly to hearing it, either. I left this damn country without a willingness to return because I was SO fed up with a LOT of things, and part of the reason I returned was because I saw this man elected.
As far as I'm concerned it's pretty crass to bash a man who right now has given people in this country a great deal of hope. It's completely unrealistic to put all kinds of delusional hopes on him fixing everything and I am not about to do so. But I do feel hope in regards to him.

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PeaceAngel
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posted January 23, 2009 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
MVM

You are one class act, lady. Obama brings hope. Seeing the intelligence and insight of others and their ability to read through the crap gives me hope.

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Lara
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posted January 24, 2009 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
LOL

I'm not bashing him... i'm moaning at the people who voted for Obama when he is simply a puppet for the US Govt.
I like Obama! dear god... whatever happened to freedom of speech?

BTW, it is a highly researched view! There isn't any Al Queda - it's a computer programme :s

I'm just sad that Obama has towed the line so quickly into his Presidency by bombing Pakistan and supporting Israel ovr the Gaza conflict.

"one class act" - yeah l am, you are right.. thanks for noticing haha

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Lara
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posted January 24, 2009 12:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
[quoteI actually feel bad about how much crap he has to deal with from all the remaining insanity which was left behind. [/quote]

How can you say this when pretty much every US President has had to deal with "crap from all the remaining insanity"

It never ceases to amaze me how little we remember about History, don't you agree?

It also never ceases to amaze me how some people advocate for "peace" and then they themselves, gang up and ***** using snidey little remarks! lmao


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writesomething
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posted January 24, 2009 02:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for writesomething     Edit/Delete Message
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I'm just sad that Obama has towed the line so quickly into his Presidency by bombing Pakistan and supporting Israel ovr the Gaza conflict.

i didnt like his response to the conflict. the news is making me dizzy. israel gets away with 3 weeks of murder and conveniently stops when obama gets in. hes going to continue the blind support for israel because he doesnt have the balls to do anything else.

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Lara
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posted January 24, 2009 04:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
I agree, it is dizzy-making and they want it to be so. Obama can't do anything else Writesomething, because the US gives billions of aid to Israel every year and this is the extent of their support. Shame those $bn's don't go into your health care system instead of funding Israel's army.

David Icke actually summed it up for me in his newsletter when he said:

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This is a man that after saying nothing about the mass-slaughter in Gaza for a month had the nerve and mendacity to deliver these words (in his speech):

'We will not apologize for our way of life, nor will we waver in its defence, and for those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents, we say to you now that our spirit is stronger and cannot be broken; you cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you.'

Unless you are Israel.


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praecipua
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posted January 24, 2009 08:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for praecipua     Edit/Delete Message
i agree with MVM, he s just a man, not a messiah. not gonna change everything. u cant change everything it's impossible if you want to be alive to do this changes. but it s good to have someone who doesnt feel so powerful and immune against opposition. about guantanamo for example, he acted very different from bush. he doesn't vioalte international law. that's a first good point. cause with bush things were different.

i like him because he brings hope; i don't like this quote by david icke. i disagree with icke. he imply that willingly their is a different treatment for the acts of israel. he plays over sensibilty. yes israerl is not behaving properly, (neither hamas BTW- as a political party.) but icke's comment dont reflect the reality of politics. i believe that to change things u have to penetrate in the system. to be effective, it's better to get elected and to challenge the system from inside (unless u believe in revolution which is my view sometimes) but for most people, and we live in an era of democracy, at least the masses want democracy, even though sometimes we can wonder what type of regime we live in. but anyway, because of that, people want smooth changes, and i think its alright for a president to say that is not going to apologise for his counrty way of life. (this doesnt mean that his country will keep on polluting by the way.) obama gives me hope that he will act according to the best of all, but i dont loose sight that he will do this according to the room for manouver that he has. he cant do everything but its better to have someone that approach the issues like he does than like his predessecor.

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amowls
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posted January 24, 2009 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
One thing at a time.

Obama's been feverishly issuing executive orders to overturn Bush's bs policies. He's closed Gitmo. He even revoked the Global Gag Rule, which is one thing I'm pretty freaking happy about. Give it time, honestly. Wars take a while to resolve.

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Lara
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posted January 24, 2009 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
This is an interesting interview... he does make a lot of sense!!!
http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/dicke3.htm

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rogue_guru
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posted January 24, 2009 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rogue_guru     Edit/Delete Message
Obama?

First off, he was never legally eligible to be the President of the United States. He is currently being sued in the Supreme Court for refusing to show his birth certificate -- except for an inadmissable document, online, the veracity of which is in serious doubt.

Secondly, he wasn't elected, he was selected, as have been many past Presidents, with the trend worsening toward recent times. For sure, at least the last five elections were decided before a single vote was cast. Remember, "those who vote decide nothing; those who count the votes decide everything." As a computer programmer, I can assure you that computerized voting is the least secure method possible.

But before voting scams, there is the fact that for the past almost century, all of our Presidential nominees have belonged to the same handful of secretive, international, and quasi-governmental groups: the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Commission, the Bohemian Society, and the Skull & Bones Society at Yale university. It is to these groups that the Presidents are truly loyal, just like national leaders and other key political figures around the globe.

In other words, it doesn't matter if you elect Talking Head A or Talking Head B, either one is a member of the same club and has the same overall agenda.

Obama is no hero, savior, or messiah, though he was chosen for his Hitler-like ability to move the crowd. He's a snake-oil salesman, so good at his job you'll order a million gallons of misery from him and sit at the mailbox waiting eagerly for the sea of "liquid sunshine" he promised.

He's here to sell you the one-world government, or the current bid for world domination by the rich and powerful. Instead of Alexander the Great or a Roman Ceaser, we have the Corporatocracy.

Just follow the money, because money is power in our world. Look up the Rothschilds. Look up the Carlyle Group. Hell, look up anything, but please don't just grab a handy and convenient belief in something without a solid foundation of fact for it, okay?

The question is: are your opinions based on fact, or media hype and mass hysteria?

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Dulce Luna
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posted January 24, 2009 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
Jesus, the man's only been in power officially for how many days and people are already turning on him? I will admit I was really unnerved by his silence on the Israel bombing Gaza to oblivion but seriously, Rome wasn't built in a day and neither was change with the state of the World left by the Last administration.

I agree with MVM and the rest: this is what happens when we look at Leaders as messianic figures and not as human beings that just happen to have alot of power. Its scary how quickly a crowd can go from love to hate when they don't see immediate results. I knew things wouldn't go right as soon as he took oath and he warned that too, so what's up? People act like he hasn't been doing anything to overturn the disaster that was the last 8 years.

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MyVirgoMask
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posted January 24, 2009 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Everyone needs a straw man, it seems.

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rogue_guru
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posted January 24, 2009 11:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rogue_guru     Edit/Delete Message
From Wikipedia:

A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "set up a straw man," one describes a position that superficially resembles an opponent's actual view, yet is easier to refute. Then, one attributes that position to the opponent. For example, someone might deliberately overstate the opponent's position.[1] While a straw man argument may work as a rhetorical technique—and succeed in persuading people—it carries little or no real evidential weight, since the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.[2]

Quick question, do you know what Senate Bill 2433 is about?

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AcousticGod
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posted January 25, 2009 01:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Rogue, you can't say that he was never legally eligible to be President on your own or other's suspicion. That's illogical on it's face. It is a legal matter, and one which the Supreme Court has had opportunity to take up.

The validity of his birth certificate is in doubt only by those who essentially hope that they're correct. Otherwise, fact-checking agencies like factcheck.org and politifact.com as well as courts involved with this matter have all been dismissive of the idea altogether. This article claims the Supreme Court itself has thrown out at least eight separate appeals on this subject, and it's currently a more Conservative court.

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Lara
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posted January 25, 2009 02:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Rogue_Guru

you ROCK! Absolutely... and totally agree
He was indeed selected, etc etc

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