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AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 14765 From: Pleasanton, CA, USA Registered: May 2005
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posted February 22, 2009 08:18 PM
Maybe we shouldn't enter with expectations. I was expecting that Ledger's performance was hype because of his death. Boy was I wrong. I see that all of us entered expecting something, and we each came out with an impression that is opposite of what we expected.I just saw Freida Pinto on the red carpet. She's stunning! I still haven't seen slumdog millionaire. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 14765 From: Pleasanton, CA, USA Registered: May 2005
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posted February 22, 2009 08:35 PM
Hugh's great.IP: Logged |
meta_4 Knowflake Posts: 2590 From: Registered: Apr 2008
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posted February 22, 2009 09:58 PM
AG,You didn't like Ralph Fiennes in The Reader? IP: Logged |
Node Knowflake Posts: 1303 From: Crowded House Registered: Nov 2005
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posted February 22, 2009 10:06 PM
This is one of the best Oscars I have ever seen... The production all around. Music, stage.. thank god somebody made a short riser instead of the interminable stairs! the tone is light and frothy. They have managed to make the cavernous Kodak feel intimate. Excellent editing of Sight & Sound bites of each film. Hugh is charm personified. And opening with past supporting actresses talking to the present nominees, well that was inspired. Geeze, enjoying this.IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 14765 From: Pleasanton, CA, USA Registered: May 2005
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posted February 22, 2009 10:13 PM
Me too, Node.Meta, I thought Ralph was fine. Almost anyone probably would have been fine in that role. I just noticed that the actor playing young Mike vaguely resembled Val Kilmer. IP: Logged |
silverstone Moderator Posts: 3323 From: Registered: Mar 2006
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posted February 23, 2009 12:04 AM
quote: Ok, I saw The Reader today. Kate Winslet didn't act half as much in that film as she did in Revolutionary Road in my opinion, so if she's to get an award I'd prefer it to be for RR.
I am sorry but I truly disagree with you, Kate carried herself through that entire film in The Reader-- It was a unique performance and extremely touching. I also loved her in Revolutionary Road, but she was brilliant in the Reader. It all depends on everyone's opinions, though. And I didn't care for any of the performances in the Dark Night, only Heath Ledger's And, my predictions were all correct, they all won! quote:
silverstone ModeratorPosts: 3317 From: Registered: Mar 2006 posted February 19, 2009 02:30 AM I just finished watching most of the movies nominated this year. Any thoughts on who will take the oscar this year? I have not seen them all, but from what I've seen here's my take: Best Actress: Kate Winslet in the Reader, but I just watched Angelina in Changeling, and it was a great performance, so I am not sure, but my gut tells me Angelina. I do think is time for Kate Winslet to win, she is a great actress, also, and deserves it. Angelina already won some time ago for Supporting actress in Girl Interrupted
Best Suppoting actress: Penelope Cruz in Vicky Christina Barcelona Best Actor: Sean Penn in Milk Best Supporting Actor: Heath ledger in Dark Night or Michael Shannon, Supporting actor in Revolutionary Road, but my money is on Heath Ledger. Best Picture: Slumdog Millionaire Best Director: Stephen Dauldry for the Reader, but I doubt he'll win, most likely it will go to Slumdog Millionaire
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silverstone Moderator Posts: 3323 From: Registered: Mar 2006
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posted February 23, 2009 12:08 AM
Lexx, yes, I loved The Hours and was sad that it didn't win best picture, nor best Director: Stephen Dauldry (who also directed The Reader; he is amazing), but I was glad that Nicole Kidman won best actress for that role, but felt Julianne Moore should have also won Supporting.IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 2786 From: Florida for now Registered: Sep 2008
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posted February 23, 2009 12:31 AM
I thought The Hours was a bit boring personally. The acting was phenomenal but the movie dragged for me. Julianne Moore was wonderful though.IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel Knowflake Posts: 10225 From: Australia Registered: May 2008
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posted February 23, 2009 04:52 AM
DDI lost my faith in the Oscars when Denzel Washington beat out Russell Crowe's performance in A Beautiful Mind. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 2786 From: Florida for now Registered: Sep 2008
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posted February 23, 2009 05:40 AM
tPA, his is why I don't watch the Oscars The only times I have, I got really bent out of shape, so I just stopped.I always forget who won what. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel Knowflake Posts: 10225 From: Australia Registered: May 2008
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posted February 23, 2009 06:17 AM
MVMI don't watch them either. I just do the Google news two minute read up and that's it I'm done. Come Friday I'll be checking out the magazines in the supermarket to have a look at what everyone wore. That's my whole Oscars participation. It's just more about Hollywood politics than actual performances. Disappointing. IP: Logged |
BiBi DeAngelo Knowflake Posts: 965 From: Los Angeles, CA, USA Registered: Jun 2007
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posted February 23, 2009 01:29 PM
Silverstone... ahhh we thought exactly alike... what a night... Everyone at the parties here in Hollywood just loved the new change... having the recipients of Oscars in the past present to the new nominees... VERY MOVING... very heart felt... I don't think there was one dry eye when Heath Ledgers family accepted his Oscar... The only thumbs down I heard from people was the long dance routine with Beyonce .. because too many people felt it didn't really focus on the Oscar music... but hey.. it is "entertainment"... I gotta go get a couple cups of coffee  IP: Logged |
silverstone Moderator Posts: 3323 From: Registered: Mar 2006
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posted February 23, 2009 04:44 PM
Bibi..I agree with you, it was really great the way they presented the awards this year, very moving. I really commend Maryl Streep and Amy Adams in Doubt-- they were also wonderful-- did you see the ending of Doubt? The end of Maryl's last scene, and really the end of the movie, makes you shake. It was a great ending. And I didn't know Hugh was such a great dancer. Beyonce was great with him. IP: Logged |
lalalinda Moderator Posts: 4011 From: nevada Registered: Jun 2005
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posted February 23, 2009 05:19 PM
OK, Movies arn't my thing unless they're old, so honestly I haven't seen any of these yet butThe Spanish girl got it! Yay, Yay, Yay (she is so beautiful) Best Suppoting actress: Penelope Cruz in Vicky Christina Barcelona I don't really watch Woody Allen movies so I probably won't see this but I highly recomend "Volver" if anyone is interested in a good Penelope Cruz movie. Great thread silverstone  IP: Logged |
BiBi DeAngelo Knowflake Posts: 965 From: Los Angeles, CA, USA Registered: Jun 2007
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posted February 24, 2009 08:34 PM
Silverstone...I haven't viewed the movie Doubt yet... it is on my to do list! I"ll remember what you said above... when I do view it...  IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross Knowflake Posts: 9954 From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA Registered: Aug 2004
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posted February 27, 2009 01:10 PM
Who should have won?This is my list, based on nothing but the work. Take it from a movie lover with unassailable taste.  Best Picture -- "Slumdog Millionaire"
Best Director -- Danny Boyle for "Slumdog Millionaire" Best Actor -- Mickey Rourke for "The Wrestler" Best Actress -- Meryl Streep for "Doubt" Best Supporting Actor -- Heath Ledger for "Dark Knight" Best Supporting Actress - Viola Davis for "Doubt" Best Original Screenplay -- David Mamet for "Redbelt" Best Adapted Screeplay -- John Patrick Shanley (from his play) for "Doubt" IP: Logged |
silverstone Moderator Posts: 3323 From: Registered: Mar 2006
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posted March 01, 2009 05:44 AM
Sorry, but Sean Penn did much better. I did love Maryl Streep though, as well as Angelina Jolie's performance-- but Kate played a former concentration Guard with 2 secrets-- You just feel her throughout the entire movie and especially in the court room and at the endBut wow did I love Maryl Streep's ending-- And Jolie carried herself well-- she has proven to be extremely versatile in her roles-- IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 14765 From: Pleasanton, CA, USA Registered: May 2005
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posted March 01, 2009 05:58 AM
I still disagree with you on the Kate Winslet one. She had a more challenging role in Revolutionary Road. She had to show more of a range of emotion, and she had more dialogue all around. Her role in The Reader may have been more fascinating in some regards, but it seems to me that the acting requirements were less for that role.IP: Logged |
writesomething Knowflake Posts: 2894 From: meet me in montauk Registered: May 2006
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posted March 01, 2009 06:29 AM
Oscars are BS. Nobody good ever wins IMO.IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel Knowflake Posts: 10225 From: Australia Registered: May 2008
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posted March 01, 2009 06:42 AM
writeNormally I would agree with you, but given that Sean Penn got some recognition this year, I'm a happy camper. I'm not a massive Sean Penn fan, but he's a very very talented actor. His kudos have been long overdue, as far as I'm concerned. IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross Knowflake Posts: 9954 From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA Registered: Aug 2004
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posted March 01, 2009 09:34 AM
Sean Penn is one of my favorite actors, if not my very favorite. He should have won for Dean Man Walking. And his portrayal of Harvey Milk was phenomenal. If Rourke wasnt in the running, it would have to go to Penn. But Sean Penn does what he does.. he has an intensity and an eccentricity that shows up in all his characters and makes it hard to take our eyes off of them. Certainly, the role of Milk, a homosexual revolutionary, provided plenty of meat for him to sink his acting chops into. Milk was a great role, but for the caliber of his acting, Penn may have deserved equal credit for his role as Willie Stark in All the King's Men, or for any number of the roles he's played in recent years. Penn always plays his heart out on a level that few actors ever reach, and, if I were a judge, it would be hard not to give him an Oscar every year. Having said that, I also often get the impression watching Penn that he is going out of his way to win an Oscar, lol. And while he can afford to show off his talent, and dazzle us all, still, sometimes it takes away from the film and the character. I thought Rourke had very little to work with but managed to create a person on-screen.. and the depth, sincerity, and subtlety of the performance is what makes it stand utterly apart. We are not beaten over the head with the fact that this is ACTING. Instead, we are drawn in, and we come away feeling humbled and honored to have been shown something so painfully personal and intimate. Nothing about the performance is flamboyant.. everything is marked by subtlety, dignity, and grace. He doesnt knock himself out trying to keep us dazzled by tricks, interesting gestures, or expressions every few seconds; rather, his character just is, and somehow everything is there, and its all engrossing. I see flashes of brilliance in Penn's eyes, and in his performance, but I see more than a lifetime's share of wisdom in Rourke's. The melancholy resignation, the self-effacement, the sensitivity of this strong man, finding and losing hope again so late in the game. . . In the scene with his daughter, where he cries, says he feels like an old, chewed-up piece of meat, and tells her he just doenst want her to hate him.. there is so much authenticity in his face and in his voice.. I cant remember the last time I actually felt like an actor had succeeded so purely in putting his own soul right up there on screen. IP: Logged |
silverstone Moderator Posts: 3323 From: Registered: Mar 2006
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posted March 01, 2009 03:36 PM
I know what you mean, HSC. Penn's performance is much more controversial, though. It's much more difficult and controversial for an actor to completely transform himself/herself. A wrestler? Which in real life he was at some point, not really as hard to get into character as Sean Penn.As for the Reader, Acoustic. I am not going to say that Revolutionary was an awful movie. I really enjoyed it and felt she did a great job. However, it reminded me of "If these walls can talk?" We have seen this before in a performance... In the Reader, much of the scenes expected for Kate to deliver emotion with "no words," in which she completely captures the audience. An example of this is in the court room or when she is in bed with the young guy. This was a woman so difficult to understand at first, but as the movie unravels, we get to understand her, because we understand her secret, which is a major element in the movie, and the irony behind it. Again, it is much more difficult to play a former concentration camp guard with a hidden secret, who we have to understand to empathize with her, or not, than a wife who is unhappy, in Revolutionary Road. As Kate Winslet said, "I didn't understand her and could not empathize with her, until I realized she had a secret, which was what affected her in her life." IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 14765 From: Pleasanton, CA, USA Registered: May 2005
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posted March 01, 2009 04:43 PM
The thing that struck me about her acting in The Reader was that so much of it consisted of the same expression. There was no range in its expression. It was the same tortured expression through the whole film. I'm perplexed about whether we were supposed to understand the secret before the courtroom or not, because it seemed to me that there were ample clues, and the audience should have already been aware of what was going on with her (not that has anything to do with the acting; I'm just not clear if that was supposed to be some big twist).IP: Logged |
silverstone Moderator Posts: 3323 From: Registered: Mar 2006
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posted March 02, 2009 12:58 AM
I see your point of view, Acoustic, and it makes sense. But not everyone really understood her at the beginning. Her coldness and sense of detachment-- yet, when she meets him, she finds comfort and a sense of belonging-- She hides her secret so much and is really ashamed that is willing to almost bury herself with it-- After realizing her "secret," we begin to understand her and how the secret itself was who made her the person she is. When she says to the judge, "well, what would you have done?" She really meant it, she was so naive and truly showed her character and upbringing and how it affected every action and decision she made. We see her change through time, and we don't lose her. I don't want to give out the ending, but remember the end, when she is about to leave, yet doesn't-- She realized what she did and was able to understand that the only thing she had left, was not all there for her anymore, so why leave. And we weren't supposed to understand the secret, remember, she wants him to read, him to order from the menu and it's somewhat in passive, that it's natural for people not to know the secret right away. It makes one speculate... people might start to wonder, "she could be cold because she was never given love, she loves for him to read because it reminds her of someone who perhaps took care of her when she was a little girl, and read to her, a person who was very meaningful in her life.. the audience wonders..." Understanding her secret makes you understand her and sympathize with her; it makes one understand that the very hidden secret affected her every decision and action in her life. She was given life sentence for not revealing her secret, remember? That's strong and says a lot about a person and she was complex-- The young guy was a gift to her and impacted herIP: Logged |
silverstone Moderator Posts: 3323 From: Registered: Mar 2006
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posted March 02, 2009 08:48 PM
This article beautifully captures the brilliance of The Reader:" 'The Reader' dared to be different.Kate Winslet's portrayal of Hanna Schmitz is bold, coherent and seductive. Toward the end of the movie a stately Jewess (Lena Olin) shows up to shame the hero (Ralph Fiennes) and, implicitly, the audience for giving their hearts to a Nazi exterminator. But it's too late, since the character and the actress have earned our fascination from the outset. Hanna is bitter, magnetic and cursed with an acute moral ignorance. Winslet's is arguably the year's finest, leading or supporting role, male or female The film isn't so much about the Holocaust, but rather the affect that the Holocaust has on one woman and the boy that loves her. It's about secrets coming back to find us out and decisions we make that change our lives forever. Kate Winslet's character isn't overtly sorry for her past, no, not early in the film anyway, but viewers may believe she becomes so later, especially when she does something that may be perceived as punishing herself. The uncertainty makes "The Reader" all the more fascinating as a drama. A beautifully poignant debate on law, ethics and coming to terms with the crimes of the past committed by those still around you, THE READER makes for compelling viewing. Aside from Winslet’s performance, which captures the cold reality of the existence of an SS bureaucrat with chilling believability, David Kross exudes the exuberance and precocious emotional awareness of young Michael Berg with a deft capability I could never have anticipated and Ralph Fiennes is absolutely superb as the older Michael Berg who is to visit the ageing Schmitz in a bid to exorcise his own demons. Her response is, "What would you have done?" She saw her work as an SS guard as excuse enough to do such a thing. She was tasked with a particular item and she made sure it was carried out. As monstrous as that is, there is a troubling logic behind it that makes you more curious than enraged. Just the idea of the mindset of someone to think like that is engaging. What could cause someone to think that murder was acceptable, especially on such a large scale? That seems to be what a lot of the characters in the film are trying to figure out. The students and the professor are trying to understand what could drive these people to do what they did. It's the insatiable desire to know and to understand that drives them. But sometimes you have to accept that there is no rational explanation. There are leaders and there are followers. In this case, the followers did so blindly with no remorse for their actions and no second thoughts. They were taught to do their jobs and they did just that. And keep in mind that a lot of these people could have been killed if they didn't do what they were told. That is not attempting to justify anything, but there are circumstances that a lot of people don't take into consideration when laying blame on certain people. "The Reader" doesn't ever try and justify these actions, but it does attempt to paint them in different lights. The performances are riveting, especially Kate Winslet's brilliant turn as Hanna. What she does with this role is incredible. When we first meet her, we don't quite know what to think. She seems loving enough, but she has this cold and calculated way about her. She seems to genuinely love Michael, but she has no problem reminding him that she could drop him any time she wanted. Later, we see Hanna as a monster - a cold and calculated monster who has no regrets for what she did - on the surface. What brings things into perspective is a secret that Hanna has been harboring - a secret that she thinks is even worse than these horrible acts she has committed. These days, it seems rather bizarre to think of something so small as such a terrible thing, but to Hanna it was embarrassing and could never be revealed. Winslet gives her second stellar performance of the year in this role and deserves accolades for it. David Kross is also exceptional as Michael, matching Winslet step for step and baring himself just like she does in a very open and very honest way. The both of them spend most of their time together nude and we never feel like they are being exploited or that they are being taken advantage of by the director. That's probably because the director is Stephen Daldry, the brilliant filmmaker responsible for "Billy Elliot" and "The Hours". In a year with so many films about the Holocaust, it was nice to see one tackle the subject matter in a more intellectual way, a film that tries to get to the bottom of what caused the Holocaust rather than focus on the aftermath. If we can get to the bottom of what made those people do what they did, we might be better able to prevent it from happening again. "The Reader" dares to ask those questions and it dares to explore new territory with a subject matter that most thought could go no further cinematically. It really is a remarkable role. http://www.moviesmademe.com/movie/review/2000 IP: Logged | |