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lechien
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posted February 21, 2009 05:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
alright now. i'm 31 now. and just recently, i have learned the vague concept of "dating".

so... does this mean you go to places with someone just to see if you'll be interested in the person? or to see if the person is interested in you?

i've never done this before! it's weird and i don't quite get it. do a lot of people do this? how does it work exactly??

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spunknini
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posted February 21, 2009 05:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spunknini     Edit/Delete Message
Sweetheart Don't do it!!!!


I mean "date" per say. It's a disastrous way to send yourself mad.

Maybe you could try a more casual set up where there is no pressure. Tell a friend your interested in someone & get them to invite them to a group thing, ie; bbq, bowling or whatever you like to do. IMO you get to see them interact with others & you can see how they behave, react or should I say "interact" & this will show you what he or she is truly like & if it suits you.

that way you both have fun, no pressure involved for either of you & if you decide they aren't right for you, you don't have to go about rejecting or being rejected.

There! did I make any sense or was I rambling?

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lechien
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posted February 21, 2009 06:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
oh no spunknini, you make sense fine. i'm just at a total loss with this whole idea of "dating", even the group thing.

normally i just meet someone, and i guess skip this whole "dating" thing... then the next thing i know i'm in a "relationship" with the person whether it lasts or not, whether serious or casual.

this whole "dating" culture seems so strange to me! people don't introduce guys to me, nor do i to them, it just sorta happen. maybe i sound like a dummy here, but it's a whole new world to me!

but yea, you do make sense, maybe it's a dangerous idea to see the person alone separate from the normal social pattern. easy to be deceived!

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posted February 21, 2009 06:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spunknini     Edit/Delete Message
Lechien

quote:
easy to be deceived

Well said.

I think at this stage of life (over 30) we tend to be aware of our normal patterns of behaviour & wish to change them at a subconscious or even conscious level, I say don't let yourself be railroaded into a relationship, however sweetly it is put to you. Learn the art of saying no sweetly but firmly.

It's time to look after yourself and that is not selfish, it's smart.

So in a nutshell; it's your life & you have the right to live it your way.

I wish you well & keep us posted on your progress yeah?

I would like to know how this journey turns out for you.

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lechien
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posted February 21, 2009 06:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
heheh, oh in a couple of weeks i'll be going back into the swing of things after 10 months of living like a hermit. i sure like to find a romance or two! it's ok, i like my way of seeing guys, i haven't had a relationship where i felt like i got "drifted into" without really meaning to. but i shall be careful. i do need a new pattern.

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posted February 21, 2009 06:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
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this whole "dating" culture seems so strange to me! people don't introduce guys to me, nor do i to them, it just sorta happen.

That's how it was for me too. I never really dated.

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AcousticGod
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posted February 21, 2009 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Here's the thing, though (at least for me):

If you looking at "dating" as some formal thing, then of course it's tedious. If you look at it as something that occurs naturally during the course of...

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normally i just meet someone, and i guess skip this whole "dating" thing... then the next thing i know i'm in a "relationship" with the person whether it lasts or not, whether serious or casual.

...then it's that bit where you're going out and doing stuff with that person, because it's the natural thing to do.

Of course, I think PA and I are in agreement that when it comes to relationships, screw the rules (and by that I mean any preconceived notion of what the rules are). You're either going to get along with someone or not, so you may as well be comfortable while doing so. Chances are your date won't like the formality of "dating" either.

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LEXX
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posted February 21, 2009 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
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this whole "dating" culture seems so strange to me! people don't introduce guys to me, nor do i to them, it just sorta happen.
I feel the same! Other ways sound and feel so forced or contrived and unnatural somehow.
I found dating rather silly and even insipid.
And yes, too often dangerous even, be it the person or their driving.
My view is never invite a stranger or even a casual acquaintance into your home, or car.
I endured date rape by such in my youth. (Their car, the perfect captive audience date environment) They seemed like nice guys.
I later found doing coffee or lunch, going Dutch with it, each finding their own way to the publicplace, worked better for me.
Hours can be passed in such a place safely.
Well some places will not let folks hang out for long these days.
Augment these mini-dates with phone call conversations and e-mail or chat.
The internet sure helps screen people easier and in safe ways compared to the old ways.

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MyVirgoMask
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posted February 21, 2009 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
I do enjoy courtship, but I'm not the type to date around...one person at a time for me.

I don't 'date' someone unless I am liking them and want to get to know them better (and have been around them publicly a few times first).

That's the only time courtship begins for me.

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LEXX
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posted February 22, 2009 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
Courtship!
I agree with you!

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lechien
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posted February 22, 2009 01:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
oh my gosh, sorry to hear your experience LEXX! that's really terrible.

yea i agree with everyone pretty much. "dating" sounds too formal... it's usually that i hang out with my friends and eventually one emerges somehow and end up as my buddy or boyfriend... you kinda feel it out and go with the flow. there's no formality. and yea as AcousticGod says it sounds real tedious...

i'm in Japan currently, and people in this country have a very peculiar dating habit. most commonly, they organize a small dinner (with the same number boys and girls ranging from 3-6 or something?). girls collect their girl friends and boys their guy friends. so if they find anyone who they click with during the dinner, they personally make contacts, AND at one point in the next few weeks to months, they must go through this huge deal called the "confession time". the person who "confesses" call the other person out to a quiet romantic location and tell him/her "i like you". and if the other person says "yes" they initiate a "relationship"...

i don't mean to make fun of their custom at all, but it sure sounds super formal! i don't think i can get into the dating circle in this country. this is an extreme example of "dating".


but yesss, moderate courtship is hot!

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MyVirgoMask
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posted February 22, 2009 03:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Hey, the Japan thing sounds interesting!!!!
I think ritualistic stuff is pretty amusing in general though (not that I'd want to go through it socially )

....and sue me, but I like the formality of courtship (formality meaning I get to dress up for dinner ). I like the ritual of getting to know someone the old-fashioned way (um, not too slowly though LOL). I think there's a terrible shortage of being wined and dined!
But I don't know, I actually haven't found good luck dating through friends. People get all catty in that setting. It's either too casual or too formal. It's frustrating!!!
I want a happy middle ground!!

lol.

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AcousticGod
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posted February 22, 2009 04:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I don't think there's anything wrong with that MVM...as long as progress is actually being made, and by that I mean that it's good as long as there is an actual progression in the area of getting to know the other person. I'm guessing that you prefer this formal dating with people you actually like, though, so I don't really see it as much different [from my frame of reference].

Formal dating only seems weird when its frought with awkwardness. A series of formal but awkard dates would seem to turn one party off pretty quick.

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MyVirgoMask
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posted February 22, 2009 04:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, AG, I think we're talking about the same thing then.
I guess I don't really understand the point here of just plain dating....??? Why would anyone let someone they don't know or like take them out? Is that considered dating?
Is that a naive question ?
Because in all honesty, I just don't get the point of going out with someone I have no real attraction to, or genuine interest.

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posted February 22, 2009 04:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
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Why would anyone let someone they don't know or like take them out? Is that considered dating?

Any number of reasons, but highly likely because nothing else has worked - so the thinking would be - why not?, you never know - they might be okay. But instinct tells you everything you need to know. You know within the first few minutes of meeting someone. I've never been a fan of the whole getting to know someone and being friends and some time later evolving into mates. I think, as Lexx brilliantly says, if you click, you click. Simple formula, but it's spot on.

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MyVirgoMask
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posted February 22, 2009 04:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
A good, memorable date :

Dinner at a really swanky place with excellent wine, then later going to a local drag queen dive for a beer. Later, having an early breakfast in a disheveled diner with excellent omelets

Great conversation, great food and wine, unique experience, and fun. I'd do this by myself or with friends, but it was made all the better on a date with someone who sort of knew me. This was 15 years ago. We never became romantically involved, but became good friends.


I want to start a Date From Hell thread now (it's the 2 glasses of wine talking )

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lechien
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posted February 22, 2009 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
Date From Hell! lol

i think certain ritualistic elements keep thing exciting. but too much of it i'm just like, "why!?!?"

i've never had so-called "dates", but i do like nice night out to good restaurants etc. this especially sounds sweet and cute because it's not something i do often generally. it's something that's "cute" if i can do it with someone who's already close to me, not someone i don't even know yet whether i like him or not...! i can't relax like that.

yea, it doesn't sound relaxing, this dating. i like more natural setting. but of course everyone has different compatibility levels to different situations. it just sounds like something totall foreign to me...!

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posted February 22, 2009 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
MyVirgoMask
OMG!
You have perfectly described many of my favorite dates!
Of course a few variations but very close!
Dinner and White Russians at Ruby Tuesdays or Player's Brown Derby (sadly they are no longer), then off to The Camel-lot Complex or Cinderella's or The Tilden for a drag queen show (none were dives though)....then an all nighter at a 24 hour Perkins and a lumberjack style breakfast.
Variations, weather permitting....Take out from Mongolian House, or China Buffet, or Moi's, or Bali Hai, grab a bottle of honey wine or ginger brandy, then off to a park or beach to take in the sunset as we eat our food. Then lying on blankets/sleeping bags, and watching the stars and just talking. Then off for another Perkin's all nighter, followed by a continental breakfast.

Strolling the Medieval Fairs in full costume, or dancing at a costumed masked ball.
And carpet picnics with various food themes, Greek, Italian, and so forth, even ancient Rome complete with togas!
Christmas time dates, making snow angels and snowmen together, then sitting on a park bench or snowdrift covered in a blanket, sipping hot cappuccinos or Irish creame spiked coca with gloved hands warming from them, and talking and laughing....and feeding the birds too with a huge bag of popcorn. (Oh yeah, doing that by the lake in any season is fun, the seagulls are a trip!)
Such dates are fun and light hearted, and bring a childlike element to a date and makes conversation much easier!
Or really simple things like an old fashioned picnic in the middle of a wheat field, with a pastoral view of rolling hills and fields and trees, below and a sky filled with those picture perfect clouds!
Or a picnic sitting on a pier in a lake in a forest at dawn as the nature is waking to the new day, and the mists rise up from the water, and mourning doves coo far off....and then the sun bursts forth in a dazzling display of sunbeams, as we sat close and talked or even sat smiling at it all and each other in silence...no words required.
OK...I could go on and on but there you have it!

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posted February 22, 2009 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
PA
Thank you!
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I think, as Lexx brilliantly says, if you click, you click. Simple formula, but it's spot on.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/010699.html

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posted February 22, 2009 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
lechien
Thank you for your kind words!
Fortunately most of my get to know the other person encounters were lovely as I posted examples above.
Later, once we got to know each other, it became pleasant simple little things like making cookies together, and putting messages on them, no talking just cookie "notes", for part of the "date", then eating cookies and flavored coffee while watching a romantic movie and snuggling.
Heh heh...then things would get more intimate.

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lechien
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posted February 23, 2009 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
AW, that's super cute, LEXX! i'm glad you have nice memories than bad! and gee, your ideal date is pretty wild...

my ideal "date" would be something like this.

my new date doesn't show up on time and 30 minutes later i get kidnapped into a helicopter by men with black glasses and taken to some mysterious hideout at an exotic location. then i break out of the prison and run into the date who came to beat up the bad guys. and then we find the buried treasure of the ancients and steal back the bad guys' helicopter and fly back home and fall in love.

how about that? i like unpredictable and thrills as long as i'm safe.

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posted February 23, 2009 08:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
lechien
If you have not seen them yet, some older movies you might enjoy are:
Romancing The Stone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romancing_the_Stone

The Jewel of the Nile. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jewel_of_the_Nile

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posted February 23, 2009 09:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheelsofcheese     Edit/Delete Message
I'm so glad lechien asked this question because I always felt like such an idiot not knowing.

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blue moon
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posted February 23, 2009 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
This is where I get to agree with Lexx, just like the last time she came out with this gem.

Everyone has other things to do that will need to be acccommodated, but aside from that, either people want to spend time together or they don't. Why overthink it?

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posted February 23, 2009 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you blue moon!
I love what you said too!
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either people want to spend time together or they don't. Why overthink it?

That needs to be in neon too!
Also I feel, if two people do not click, if it only feels right, like sexually only, then it is time to let go, move on, and find someone with whom you can share more than just that with. Stop wasting each other's time hoping things will change. Passion is great but what do you do the rest of the time?
Just my two cents.

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