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koiflower
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posted April 01, 2009 08:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
There has been twisted thinking here - those that had the true intent of pitting one against the other have won!

You know the ones - who will provoke, then watch the rescuers jump in, then they will thank the rescuers with compliments, while smirking at the others that present a differing perspective.

Congratulations to the Manipulators, for playing a cunning, smoke-screen game - using people's hearts and good nature's for their own psychological warfare.

On the positive side, there are many knowflakes with eyes wide open to these antics. They gallantly offered many opportunities to sow the seeds of reason, to balance perspective, to pull in the smirky evaders and keep the keel of Lindaland balanced and composed.

That's why we must be as wise as a serpent, and harmless as doves, so that we are not sheep to the slaughter.

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koiflower
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posted April 01, 2009 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
Venus is 4* Aries at the moment. We've just passed an inferior conjunction at 7* - according to the Aztec's take on Venus, Venus now goes underground to play the sacred game of Life.

Retro Venus is now 8* away from my Asc - Phew!

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wheelsofcheese
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posted April 01, 2009 09:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheelsofcheese     Edit/Delete Message
I totally agree with you Koi. I'm learning about these people every day. They think they're clever. They're not.

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aqua/scorp
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posted April 01, 2009 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aqua/scorp     Edit/Delete Message
aaw Lara..you were like one of the first people on here i was drawn too..its so sad its come to this but i understand where you are coming from. Although I don't post/interact as much as some knowflakes however I do observe alot on here from the background.

you'll surely be missed! so full of life and wisdom.

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songwriter
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posted April 01, 2009 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for songwriter     Edit/Delete Message
She really knows how to make a person look bad!!

When she was constantly insulting me and trying to manipulate me in my threads, where were you guys?? I dont believe her sincereness!

She's deleting all her posts. Why??

quote:
l don't wish to be taunted and ridiculed like a puppet in a show.

She must learn not do this to others as well!!!

I apologize for what I've done from all.

She won your sympathy, so I'm sure she'll come back.

I'm not worried anymore.

edited*
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/001341-2.html

She seems quiet happy to me! Making FUN, like always!!


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sunshine_lion
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posted April 01, 2009 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshine_lion     Edit/Delete Message
whatever. she doesn't have to leave. and she does imply that she is smarter, more educated, more enlightened, sexier, more spiritual than pretty much anyone breathing.
i am pretty sure some people are tired of being told how stupid and unenlighted they are. i am quite sure how she talks to everybody else is just fine with everyone. but to me it seems quite condescending. lets all just sign up to be members of her new church.

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wheelsofcheese
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posted April 01, 2009 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheelsofcheese     Edit/Delete Message
OK, Songwriter you may have your issues with Lara but I think personally you went a bit far with the separate thread. I hear you and yes, Lara can be snarky and opinionated (she'd be the first to agree) but that thread was no solution either. And sometimes yes, I think "Ouch" when I hear her retorts to people sometimes. It does go both ways. But I still like her because she's
got a different opinion on stuff and knows a lot.

Yes, maybe Lara does have to learn to temper her responses too, I think someone already broached this with Lara (23?) and she was amenable to the fact that she was sometimes snarky, but that's Lara's stuff and you're not exactly going to commend yourself as a model of good behaviour by starting a childish thread like that, you see? Not the way to go. I dunno what is the way to go. Step away from the monitor for a bit I guess.

Anyway, I have no beef with you, hello, btw, and thanks for your apology.

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songwriter
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posted April 01, 2009 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for songwriter     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, I know what I did was childish.
I apologize again from everybody.

People like some people more than others.
I cannot say anything to that.
But, I think we should not disregard erroneous actions of these people just because we like them more than others. "l don't wish to be taunted and ridiculed like a puppet in a show." She musnt do this to others too.

Hello, nice to meet you!

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katatonic
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posted April 01, 2009 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
what is all this about? people disagreeing with lara's "facts"? or songwriter getting snippy with her? or W-H-A-T? how come it is so hurtful for people to disagree on here? i thought this was a discussion board?

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wheelsofcheese
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posted April 01, 2009 10:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheelsofcheese     Edit/Delete Message
I agree. We shouldn't disregard, but I think all we can do in this life is watch out for our own behaviour, and the rest is up to the other person. I'm no angel mind you.

Nice to meet you too.

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sunshine_lion
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posted April 01, 2009 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshine_lion     Edit/Delete Message
i apologize for laughing at the song.

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blue moon
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posted April 01, 2009 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Have things simmered down yet? Is is safe to come out of hiding?

Maybe a couple more days whilst songwriter-gate blows over.

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MyVirgoMask
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posted April 01, 2009 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
I always hate feeling like a freakin' Cassandra about all this stuff, but I've been afraid of this kind of fall-out from these recent threads, as this was clearly their intention (as Koi also pointed out). Not debate, but rabble-rousing and insidiousness...and it's a real pity to lose good people on here.

Lara, I have no problem with you personally. I don't care much for your tone at times, because you have the distinct tendency to pontificate and at times alienate others with your tone, but I also know that you have a good heart
And that counts for a lot in my book.
My world is big enough to contain differences of opinion, taste, lifestyle, etc.. I do hope yours is as well. Not all of us get along, but I like to think we try and have a lot to learn from each other. And I do care about you as a person, so I hope you don't go.....I do think you have a lot to share and have a lot of life experiences. We might not always agree, but I should think that keeps life interesting and keeps us on our toes. If you do, however, decide to leave, I wish you all the best on your journey.

PA, you know I love you. As I said before, it's having people like you around during such circumstances that makes it worthwhile to stay. You restore the balance. I know it's not your job, but just your presence alone makes it worthwhile because you're one of the people I truly enjoy talking to.

Yes, I do have selfish reasons for hoping you guys stay

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AcousticGod
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posted April 01, 2009 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Songwriter,

You have my sympathies. Don't beat yourself up over it. It's not worth it.

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songwriter
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posted April 01, 2009 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for songwriter     Edit/Delete Message
Wow, I'm feeling so dissappointed.

I wish you all well.

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amowls
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posted April 01, 2009 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
Songwriter, don't feel bad. You just aired what a few of us already thought lol, and I don't think it was your intention to make her leave.

On any forum, you're going to get into disagreements and people should recognize this. The internet is a snarky place.

What I don't get though is the deletion of ALL of her posts, and this goodbye one.

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MysticMelody
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posted April 01, 2009 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
I believe that songwriter did Lara a favor.

That was also the impression that I had of Lara before we had the opportunity to speak briefly. I think it is a spiritual gift that songwriter gave to her so she could see the first (and second and third) impression she leaves with others when they read her responses on threads (with those repeated themes) before they have a chance to interact with her. I also see how those behaviors could seem exaggerated and painful to someone on the receiving end of her sarcasm or "playfulness" or taunts, as I saw them.

The first couple things Lara said to me yesterday, I wasn't sure if I should trust due to my impression of the many words of hers I have read on this site. I believed when we were talking that she was being sincere and finally had a glimpse into why others might enjoy her company... but up until that point my impression was exactly like songwriter's.

Additionally, I think the thread songwriter just shared (from his/her hurtful interaction with Lara the day before and the day when he/she wrote the song) illustrates one of the many times when Lara's behavior was hurtful to others and it is hypocritical to hold songwriter responsible for his/her hurtful behavior and not hold Lara responsible for hers. But then, I see both sides.

I read the "Lara's Song" thread when it was first posted and in tact, without the deletes, and saw Lara smile and joke with songwriter and then in her second post ask songwriter if he/she would add a line that said she was surrounded by idiots, because Lara was fighting and/or disagreeing with someone at the time on the meat/horrendous thread at the same time.

Also,
since "snarky" behavior has been given the green light, I'll be holding the bets on if those who claim they are done here are actually done. A million dollars on the: "Please, you'll be back, and if you make it a week we'll be proud of you... and btw hey are you having a nice day because you are probably reading this right now." position.

Also
Also

This happens every time HSC does this.
Take a look at the year I became a member and the year HSC became a member and the years others became members, and think of what you know of them on the site before you determine if you should consider their words and opinions in matters such as these. Don't just jump to conclusions in the heat of the moment or think this is some anomaly and suddenly LindaLand has gone bad! (exaggerated "in shock" emoticon here)
Trust me, HSC subscribes to the philosophy of:
"See, man, that's the difference between us. You think we're fighting, I think we're finally talking!"

~The Teachings of HSC~

"You yourself are time- your body, your mind, the objects around you. Plunge into the river of time and swim, instead of standing on the banks and noting the course of the currents."
~Philip Kapleau

"Adversity not only draws people together but also brings forth that beautiful inward friendship, just as the cold winter forms ice-figures on the windowpanes, which the warmth of the sun effaces."
~Soren Kierkegaard

"The sun is high in the sky, shining on everything. Why is it blocked by a cloud? Everyone has a shadow, with us always. Why can't you step on it? The whole world is a pit of fire. What state of mind can you attain to avoid being burned?"
~Kao-Feng


"I've stopped thinking all the time of what happened yesterday. And stopped asking myself what's going to happen tomorrow. What's happening today, this minute, that's what I care about. I say: What are you doign at this moment, Zorba? ... I'm kissing a woman. Well, kiss her well, Zorba! And forget all the rest while you're doing it; there's nothing else on earth, only you and her!"
~Nikos Kazantzakis


~What HSC Still Needs To Learn~
~ (oh IMHO since he will probably disagree, but hey, we all have our lessons to teach and our songs to sing) ~

"The important point of spiritual practice is not to try to escape your life, but to face it- exactly and completely."
~Dainin Katagiri

"Pick battles big enough to matter, small enough to win."
~Johnathan Kozol

"Please subdue the anguish of your soul. Nobody is destined only to happiness or to pain. The wheel of life takes me up and down by turn."
~Kalidasa


"Philosophy will clip an angel's wings."
~John Keats

And

~The Stuff We All Know But Sometimes Forget~


"To be on a quest is nothing more or less than to become an asker of questions."
~Sam Keen

"Failures, repeated failures, are finger posts on the road to achievement. One fails forward toward success."
~Charles F. Kettering

"Keep your face to the sunshine and you cannot see the shadows."
~Helen Keller

"I long to accomplish a great and noble task, but it is my chief duty to accomplish small tasks as if they were great and noble."
~Helen Keller


"Do not consciously seek enlightenment."
~Muso Kokushi


"The higher the truth, the simpler it is."
~Abraham Isaac Kook

"It is enough."
~Immanuel Kant

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katatonic
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posted April 01, 2009 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
it seems to me that recently a lot of people's shadows are showing...not just here but around the world. i hope lara can roll with it and maybe understand that when you come across as the PROVIDER OF FACTS, people who try to think for themselves might a)disagree b)have some buttons of their own that get pushed and c)have some information you haven't come across yet...and i hope we all can learn to be respectful while remaining honest.

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MysticMelody
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posted April 01, 2009 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
I see AG and others speaking up too. I'm glad. I started writing after I read Sunshine Lion's apology post.
There is a possibility Lara doesn't understand how hurtful her words can be to others and I'm sure everyone here feels bad for both Lara and Songwriter's hurt and we hope you both feel better and of course you both are always welcome and loved here. That's the true spirit of LindaLand.
And yes, we all fall short at different times. That is why we are here to support one another in learning these lessons. LindaLand is a living experience of spiritual truths.
"A man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's heaven for?" ~Robert Barrett-Browning

The True Spirit of LindaLand
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum17/HTML/001571.html

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AcousticGod
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posted April 01, 2009 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
to MM regarding Songwriter.

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blue moon
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posted April 01, 2009 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
It's possible to set yourself up for ridicule. I know, I've done it more than once and I'm sure I will get another go before I die.

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MyVirgoMask
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posted April 01, 2009 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
MysticMelody, I'm glad you posted. Thanks for clearing up some stuff for me too. I really don't like seeing people get upset and hurt.
I realize I don't have much history here so there's a lot I don't know.

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sunshine_lion
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posted April 01, 2009 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshine_lion     Edit/Delete Message
mel... you are one awesome chick. i always knew that to be true. maybe you don't get told enough.

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MysticMelody
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posted April 01, 2009 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
love to both (songwriter and lara and to you guys too, thank you for your kind words)

lyrics by Phil Collins

There's nothing complicated about the way we live
We're all here for each other, happy to give
Proud of who we are
Humbled beneath the stars

We've everything we need
The moon, the sun
There is more than enough here for everyone
All we have we share
And all of us we care, so come on

Welcome to our family time
Welcome to our brotherly time
We're happy giving and taking to the
friends we're making
There's nothing we won't do

Welcome to our family time
Welcome to our happy to be time
This is our festival, you know and best of all
We're happy to share it all

There's a bond between us, nobody can explain
It's a celebration of life,
and seeing friends again
I'd be there for you
I know you'd be there for me too...
so come on

Welcome to our family time
Welcome to our brotherly time
We're happy giving and taking to the
friends we're making
There's nothing we won't do

Welcome to our family time
Welcome to our happy to be time
This is our festival, you know and best of all
We're happy to share it all

Remembering loved ones departed
Someone dear to your heart
Finding love, and planning a future
Telling stories and laughing with friends
Precious moments you'll never forget

This has to be the most beautiful
The most peaceful place I've ever been to
It's nothing like I've ever seen before
When I think of how far I've come,
I can't believe it...and yet I see it
In them I see family
I see the way we used to be

Come on...

Welcome to our family time
Welcome to our brotherly time
We're happy giving and taking to the
friends we're making
There's nothing we won't do

Welcome to our family time
Welcome to our happy to be time
This is our festival, you know and best of all
We're happy to share it all

We're here to share it all

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Mama Mia
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posted April 01, 2009 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message
What in the world is going on??? I have been here 5 years and I have seen all kinds of arguments and I have seen, many,many ppl leave announce it or leave unannouced, but we are all different we express ourselves different and there is going to be some arguments bc of that..But we should not let it get under our skin. In life we just have to let some things roll off of us..I am not going anywhere I don't care who says what. We will discuss it and you best believe it will be squashed from me after that..Ppl can't argue with themselves..When and if I leave it won't be on the account of some one else it will be bc I have something else going on..So I say this to say please ya'll its ok to express how you feel its healthy actually but this is a public forum, you are not in the comfort of your home as where things can be controlled there here they cannot so don't try and take all this stuff to heart, take what you need and leave the rest..

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