posted April 27, 2009 04:39 AM         

I know the basics of what has happened.

What has always perplexed me about this situation is that people give Octomum a hard time yet Angelina Jolie seems to be lauded over "similar behaviour".

Both look pretty similar too IMHO, yet on some websites, Octomum is satirised and criticised as insane and funnily enough poked fun of her lips, yet everyone else holds Ange up as a saint, and daring sex goddess with these amazing lips that all women want to have and all men want to kiss.

Why? Because one has money and one doesn't? Because one wants to rescue many children from poor countries and one wants multiples of her own?

posted April 27, 2009 08:02 PM         

seems to me you answered your own question! she's aiming for the old woman who lived in a shoe status...and as someone who raised ONE child with very little help, believe me MONEY MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE. what in god's name do you feed 14 KIDS??

and someone's suggesting she get a job? what kind of job can a woman like this get that will cover the cost of feeding let alone caring for all those babes? about the only good thing about her situation is that she is at least raising them herself. which is not all that good.

now if she were to start a kindergarten or something (if she were qualified) that might pay their way and keep them together. what other options does she have? i know women with large families who have done just that and all bases covered...

but honestly this is the kind of thing that gives government aid to single moms a bad name. not one of them was even an accident!! great to plan your kids, but she really has planned to have us all pay for their raising it seems.

as to angelina, i think she's barmy too, but at least she is giving homes to kids who would have gone without, not multiplying the population by 14 in the process...and she CAN afford them.

often people who aren't "ready" have kids and it saves their lives, gives them purpose and gets them on track, ie they rise to the occasion and get themselves together. but 14 times????????????

posted April 27, 2009 08:41 PM         

I say the following as a bit of philosophical debate. I'll play philosophical devil's advocate.

We as humans use logic, we use and are trained in school to use logic which actually is a very narrow minded thing. We see an effect and we seek a cause. We seek to rationalise situations.

We look at the current situation. Let's use money as the issue we will look here. Ange has money and it has justified the situation. Octomum doesn't. We see the pragmatics of the situation.

However, who is to say that one day Octomum might have the resources to support children, who is to say that something which is unforseen may happen to her. Who is to say that Ange will fall into a heap tomorrow (as will Brad) and there will no one really left to raise her children?

We use the logic such that: because Ange has for example resources, that she will continue to have resources to look after her kids. We play the safety game in a mental way. We say because Octomum has no resources, therefore she won't be able to support them in the future. Do you see how narrow human logic is? Do you see how narrow "positivism" is? I often think about this of astrology, sciences etc.

Do you think about the possible risks in your life? I could not be talking to you tomorrow. No we don't because we as humans seek security and don't really want to think about nor do we have the capacity to see what is out there in the dark. Future can't be seen, we can't perceive all risks.

As for the other issue, well it really bothered me how Octomum's lips were singled out and mocked on a competition on a site, yet Ange's are really respected. It shows how we really are sensitive as to what the media and our peers tell us.

posted April 27, 2009 08:52 PM         

And It's not fair to the taxpayers who will end up paying for her million dollar plus expenses for the birth and neo natal care of her babies.

When you become self sufficient you can afford to be eccentric

posted April 27, 2009 09:21 PM         

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If every fertile woman were to bear 14 children it would so overpopulate the Earth

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But do we know with ABSOLUTE certainty that the earth would overpopulate if every woman had 14 kids?

posted April 27, 2009 09:25 PM         

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I do understand and in reality agree with what you say but remember that it's all logic folks

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posted April 27, 2009 09:37 PM         

I'd LOVE to have another child.

I can't afford one.

Therefore, as a rational, sane and responsible adult, I don't actively try to have another one yet. Instead, I have a job, work on getting out of debt and not building more debt.

Meanwhile, my tax dollars are going to support Octomom and her army.

Seems to me a lot like the mortgage bail-outs. Irresponsible people bought homes they couldn't afford and now everyone else that bought a home they could afford or those that are still in apartments because they didn't stretch themselves foolishly thin are forking over their hard-earned money to bail out people so they can stay in the homes they couldn't afford in the first place.

Not to open a can of worms... I know there are people out there that are losing homes because of lost jobs or health reasons - that's totally different.

But back to Octomom - who already had 6 or 7 children - at least 2 of which have special needs and need extra attention. She went, while not working and accepting disability because of a 'bad back', had invetro fertilization with disability checks and has EIGHT more kids that now need to be supported by everyone else. 14 kids? SERIOUSLY. 14 all under the age of, what is it? 8 years old? Madness. Even if the 8 babies have ZERO future health problems (let's hope they are healthy as every other child!) they already cost TAX PAYERS and people that PAY for their health insurance HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of dollars (if not over a million dollars) before they ever left the hospital - In a state that is giving out IOU's for tax refunds and can't afford to keep overcrowded schools going. We're laying off teachers here because we can't afford to pay them.

So while I think Angelina is a bit kooky - at least she has the means to take care of her kids and isn't jumping into a situation completely BLIND and full of delusions. She has a PARTNER to help and she can afford to hire help, too. She's not just fertilizing herself but adopting children that already need parents. IMO, at least adding a drop in the bucket of helping the world in a positive way. Plus... 6 kids is less than half of 14 kids last time I checked.

The reason most people are so irate about Octomom is because of the supreme level of her self-absorbed and completely delusional state of mind - not to mention her COMPLETE lack of thought about anyone else besides her and her womb.

I don't necessarily agree with the Duggars and their 18 kids, either, but at least they have a strong support system and the kids are aged such that they can all help with the younger kids. Plus, they support themselves and don't just suck off the rest of society simply because the system allows some other people to.

And yes, there can always be reversal of fortunes. Somehow, Octomom could win the lottery. Angelina could suddenly be poor tomorrow (probably not as she's a smart woman and has no doubt invested correctly knowing she has mouths to feed). Both scenerios are extremely unlikely and don't really matter because it doesn't address the core reasons why Octomom is so very disliked.

posted April 27, 2009 10:08 PM         

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And yes, there can always be reversal of fortunes. Somehow, Octomom could win the lottery. Angelina could suddenly be poor tomorrow (probably not as she's a smart woman and has no doubt invested correctly knowing she has mouths to feed). Both scenerios are extremely unlikely and don't really matter because it doesn't address the core reasons why Octomom is so very disliked.

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posted April 27, 2009 10:16 PM         

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This thread is about Octomom's lips being treated unfairly versus Angelina's?! Really? It certainly is a departure from logic to be overly concerned about such a thing, and in trying to equal out the playing field aren't you really taking the same stance as the Angelina endorsers on that site as you are also taking sides in a beauty competition?

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I see this, that is Octomum's lips v Ange's lips as a deviousness of media and a separate issue to what I have spoken about uncertainty.

Regardless as to whether Octomum had plastic surgery or not, the fact is that she has had part of her body ridiculed, yet Ange doesn't have that.

This has got nothing to do with beauty competitions, nor equality apart from yes, both lips are very prominent, it's just an interesting observation that I have made regarding the media and it bothered me for some reason.