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Pegesus
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posted April 25, 2001 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pegesus     Edit/Delete Message
Yivy, I just wondered what the proposed titles of Randal's book might "have to say"?

Maybe that will help him decide.

I sure do hope this comes about!!

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thegreyone
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posted April 25, 2001 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thegreyone     Edit/Delete Message
Great idea Pegesus! I can hardly wait to see what the druids have to say about it.

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YIVY
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posted April 25, 2001 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YIVY     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry, but they contain all the vowels and therefore are not willing to be LEXIED..

GEEZE! A girl has to have some secrets..don't you Linda???

It would have been neat to know though...

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Randall
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posted April 25, 2001 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
*sigh*

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Randall
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posted April 26, 2001 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Perhaps, I should come up with a title with only four vowels!

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thegreyone
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posted April 26, 2001 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thegreyone     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah!Yeah!Yeah!

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Randall
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posted April 26, 2001 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Unfortunately, "unauthorized" contains all five vowels.

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Pegesus
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posted April 26, 2001 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pegesus     Edit/Delete Message
So what's another word for "unauthorized"???

Where's a thesaurus(sp) when you need one!

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thegreyone
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posted April 26, 2001 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thegreyone     Edit/Delete Message
Just off the top of my head: unwarranted, unwarrantable, informal, unofficial,illicit, unallowed.

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Pegesus
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posted April 26, 2001 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pegesus     Edit/Delete Message
Hmmm....That word "unofficial" kinda jumped out at me. Like this "unofficial" site...

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Randall
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posted April 26, 2001 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Traditionally, the words "unauthorized biography" are used. But I guess other words could be substituted. At that point, we're talking about walking a thin grey line.

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Randall
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posted April 27, 2001 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Pegesus, you hit it right on the Ram's head (OUCH!).

And this is Post 1600 for me. Not a good number, but it is linked with Lincoln (part of Linda's family).

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gooberlily
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posted April 28, 2001 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gooberlily     Edit/Delete Message
Randall, have you actually had a chance to work out the logistics of the title, legally speaking? Just wondering if you had the chance to look up what is legal and what would not be legal in the title. Don't forget I'm working in a law office (at least until the end of this week). If you need any advice, I could ask.

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posted April 28, 2001 01:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Any legal advice would be appreciated. If I write it, I'm probably going with the original title (a 23), Linda Goodman's Unauthorized Biography, which is irrefutably legal, but I do wonder if other words would hold the same legal protection.

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posted April 30, 2001 11:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gooberlily     Edit/Delete Message
I myself obviously can not give legal advice (since I'm not a lawyer), so I would seriously suggest speaking with a lawyer familiar with copyrights and such. The lawyer I work for does mainly Real Estate and Estates.

But, the topic did get my curiosity going, so I looked online regarding copyrights and the like, searching under copyrights, trademarks and deceased individuals. This is some of what I found:

http://www.institutechildrenslit.com/rx/tr01/veda_boyd_jones.shtml
"AnneKelly: If celebrities are still alive and they don't give their consent for a biography, it is then called "unauthorized". I guess the same doesn't hold true if the subject is dead. Can anyone write an unauthorized biography?
Veda: I suspect anyone can write an unauthorized biography of a famous person. Kitty Kelly has made a living by doing it. My bio of Tara L. wasn't printed with that caveat, nor have any other children's bios that I've seen. That may be because they are not tell-all books that could get a celebrity riled up."
http://pillsburywinthrop.com/practice/pubsdetail.asp?pubid=16394911132000&areaid=59
http://www.cni.org/Hforums/cni-copyright/1999-01/0607.html
> "What are the restrictions, if any, about writing a biography of someone
> who died in 1952. The person in question was quite well known and
> powerful in his lifetime. Also, there are still some family members
> alive. Thanks, Alison
There should be nbo restrictions at all, since a dead person has no
rights in a life story, no right of privacy, nor even a right against
defamation. Of course to the extent that people who are still living
are likely to be included, portrayed, characterized, and/or quoted in
your biography, it may be a good idea to obtain appropiate consents.
Of course, as long as you stick to provable non-private facts, you
should be able to say what you want about anyone, living or dead,
without obtaining permission of any kind. But consents from living
persons are a good way of forestalling possible future lawsuits
(however frivolous) and of obtaining exclusivity agreements as well.
In any case, you should definitely retain and consult with a lawyer
conversant with copyright, privacy, defamation, and First Amendment
issues."

It would be a good idea before you start to know what ownership there is to her name, and what it includes. I browsed around our law library while I was at it. It's all a bit complicated since Linda has passed away, if she were alive it would be a different story. Federal Laws are what you have to take into account, since I believe state laws differ regarding the subject. The relevant things I looked up had to do with defamation of character and privacy issues. Things you might want to look up if you have some free time are the Federal Copyright Act of 1976, effective January 1, 1978, as well as Trade Regulation.

By state law searching, you should look up Literary and Artistic Property. To give you some idea, the New York State law states (according to New York Jurisprudence 2nd) Literary and Artistic Property;
Rights under State Law;
B. Who is entitled to rights, (section) 16-19

16 states:

"(General)
The law awards the ownership of property in intellectual productions to those who create them (Varconi v Unity Television Corp. 1958 11 misc. 2nd 191, 173 NYS2nd 201) and on the death of the owner, his common-law rights in literary property go to his personal representatives or next of kin as does other personal property (Palmer v DeWitt 1872 47 NY 532). Generally, however, the succesion and transfer of copyrights are controlled by Federal Law. Under prior law, title to a manuscript or literary work could be gained by adverse possession if one had been in continuous, open and notorious possession and maintained exclusive right thereto as against the world."

Having to do with Biographies (I looked it up in the index) you would also consult the sections of the law having to do with Defamation and Defamation and Privacy. The internet is a valuable resource, I hope I've at least pointed you in the right direction. I would suggest when you finally sit down and start writing to first contact a lawyer and ask his advice regarding the matter. Better to be safe than sorry!

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posted May 01, 2001 05:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
I don't plan on writing anything at all defamatory, and I will get signed releases from everybody that I talk to, so I don't anticipate any problems.

Thanks for all the info, Goober!

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posted May 01, 2001 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gooberlily     Edit/Delete Message
No prob

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oceanwench38
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posted May 24, 2001 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oceanwench38     Edit/Delete Message
how about...

"Linda Goodman: Magi of a New Age"

Randall, I cannot imagine you would have any
trouble from anyone who is reasonable and who sees that you have created and maintained this website from/with Love and Integrity.

how about....

"Come Back Linda"

Well, pretty much finished reading Star Signs....even my oh-so-logical baby brother is a little *stumped*

It was incredible....still have to read "melodies" and I am just starting "physical immortality"....

Wow...the thing about the red diet and losing weight was great! I play the drums and if I think about it, and look back, it was not until a few years ago when I was too busy to play them that I put on weight. In fact, I stopped wearing red. I used to have tons of red in my closet, now it is mostly blue or green or PURPLE(my fave!)

how about...

"Amazing Linda"

I cannot wait to read your book!

Heather

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Randall
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posted May 24, 2001 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks, Heather. Your opinion means a lot to me.

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chronicprincess
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posted May 25, 2001 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chronicprincess     Edit/Delete Message
Randall, spiral on this? I'm wondering if the word "unauthorized" is keeping from you that special confirmation you are waiting to reach you...

Maybe it's just me but that word doesn't seem to enhance the name, Linda Goodman ...I vote you invent a new word I think Linda wants you to! (just going on gut feelings here)

I am in love with this site - thank you to everyone who ponders outloud here

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posted May 25, 2001 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
You may be right, Katii. Any suggestions?

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chronicprincess
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posted May 31, 2001 04:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for chronicprincess     Edit/Delete Message
Do you have to use the word biography?

"Also Known as Linda Goodman"

Linda's mind
is in a good man
a son in Linda
sing's an ang*l song
so known as good
in Linda Land
all is now
now is all
goin' on on on

I think that comes up to a 25/7 ?
Hmmmmmm.... Discrimination and Analysis ~ but You are a 19

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Pegesus
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posted May 31, 2001 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pegesus     Edit/Delete Message
Randal, I think I agree with ChronicPrincess.

Something about that word "unauthorized".

Usually when I see that word I think there's going to be a lot of "dirt" on that person.

But I can't imagine even perceiving the maybe not so flattering (or maybe even embarrassing) aspects of Linda's life as "dirt".

(Now I'm not saying she has embarrassing aspects, but IF some are uncovered...)

I don't know if I'm even making sense but that word bothers me too.

Unfortuantely I can't think of another one but if something "comes to me" I'll let you know.

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posted April 20, 2002 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message

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