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fayte.m
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posted March 23, 2007 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
~Some may.....Some may not~
Want to know.........
If anyone would like their Lexigram(s) checked for errors, so they can fix them, or at least put the added letters into the lower case or (&), I will check them for you.
Some may appreciate my offer, others may be offended.
Personally I want to know when I have error(s). But that is my own personal thing.
I Cannot please everyone.

Additionally when one wants a Lexigram to reveal truth, one can get a false reading when letters not from the source are added.
I see such words as happy come up in a Lexigram. Yet the source name only has one letter "P" and no letter "Y".
LOVE is another word I have seen folks sneak in by ADDING the letter "E", but totally ingnoring the fact, that if they add an "E" to aquire LOVE from LOV......then if they have HAT in their name, by token of that added "E"....they are introducing HATE also.

So aside from the "hiding" of added letters, by not setting them off, one is also adding meaning to a Lexigram which is simply not there. That is a false reading, no matter how one attempts to justify it.

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"One can Force a Lexigram to say whatever one desires it to say, by adding letters not found in the name or original word etcetera, being Lexigrammed. But that negates the validity and truth of it."

I personally find that unethical to do to anyone I do Lexigramming for.

So add all you want, if that is your thing. But please be fair, and honest, and set the added letters off properly as Linda said to do.
This way, the person the Lexigram is for, knows at a glance, where the most validity and weight of truth is. They can worry less about, or not take as seriously then, any of the added words.
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fayte.m
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posted March 24, 2007 12:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Silverstone
The reasons I push so hard for accuracy when Lexigramming; is that while many folks consider it just an idle past time, a game, just for fun.....
There are many who do not think of a Lexigram, created for them, as simply for entertainment purposes.
For those who believe a Lexigram can reveal secrets, and can give them insight into relationships or themselves, or possibly answer other questions they have;
We owe it to them, to take our Lexigramming seriously.
Lexigramming is an old form of Divination, and can be, an adjunct to a psychic, or mediumnistic reading. I feel Lexigramming should be treated with the same respect as Astrology or Numerology.
But I also wish to caution;
quote:
Never base your important life decisions on any form of Divination, be it Lexigramming, Anagramming, Astrology, and so forth. These things can assist in your decisions, but ultimately one should make decisions based on logic and common sense.

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posted March 24, 2007 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
I am posting this in 5 parts.
It seems most folks quote Linda as saying never charge. That is not how I interpreted her words.
To quote her;
From STAR SIGNS
INTRODUCTION xxxiii
quote:
The problem of money and spirituality is not new. There is nothing wrong with earning large sums of money. What matters is how you earn it and what you do with it after you've received it. You need not apologize for earning your daily bread (even large bushels of it) for any sort of labor you do which contributes something to the world, on any level. To receive cash compensation, you must put back into the world something of value, whether it be paintings, specialized services, clothings, automobiles, refrigerators, music, or entertainment. As long as you cheerfully and willingly give away half of what you have to those less fortunate, you needn't be ashamed to be a millionaire-or even a billionaire-because you have let go of half, thereby allowing this "green energy" to circulate. (Also because you earned it by hard work.) Money is not evil. Only the use of it and the means of gaining it can cause it to be.

To quote Linda again:
quote:
As long as you cheerfully and willingly give away half of what you have....

So exactly what is half here? Before or after one has taken care of their own needs, taxes, car payment and other living expenses? Half the earned income of a minimum wage part time worker and a billionaire are not at all the same thing. A percentage would make more sense! A poor man's tithe is still a legitimate tithe...even though far far less than a billionaire's tithe. But a tithe is still a tithe. The poor man gives away 1/2 and remains poor. The billionaire barely notices by comparison. All his reasonable needs are met, unlike the poor man's. All above reasonable needs is pure indulgence!
The often quoted saying of hers is however:
INTRODUCTION xxxiii
quote:
Money must not change hands between esoteric teacher and student.

Esoteric TEACHER....not service provider...
and STUDENT.....not client/customer.
Of which an Astrologer doing a reading, ie; performing a service, is not, nor is the client/customer receiving said services from the Astrologer a student.
Whereupon she goes on to state more odd things I consider to be contradictions; which has caused much confusion of the advice she gave.
INTRODUCTION xxxiii
quote:
It is unfortunate, for example, that there are no "churches" to support astrologers. They must "earn their daily bread" in some other manner, and perform their astrological counseling during their precious free time. It's unfortunate, yes, but not as much so as when astrologers charge for their readings, since the ancient teachings say that the one who heeds not the warning forbidding the exchange of money between teacher and student will soon "lose the gift of perception," and consequently will no longer be sought by the "students."

Note: Some Spiritualist Churches and New Age Centers DO support their Astrologers and Readers in monetary ways.

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posted March 24, 2007 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
to continue:
she said:
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To receive cash compensation, you must put back into the world something of value, whether it be paintings, specialized services, clothings, automobiles, refrigerators, music, or entertainment. As long as you cheerfully and willingly give away half of what you have to those less fortunate, you needn't be ashamed to be a millionaire-or even a billionaire-because you have let go of half, thereby allowing this "green energy" to circulate. (Also because you earned it by hard work.)

Astrologers doing readings are performing a "SERVICE".....as are any Readers or Councilors, or persons involved in a Provider of Service/Client arrangement. Such are NOT in an Esoteric Teacher/Student relationship! Why Linda chose to tie her own hands thusly, and to tell others this, eludes me. I see no Teacher/Student Relationship under those circumstances!
xxxiv INTRODUCTION
quote:
To write about esoteric subjects or personal paths of enlightenment in books is not against this law. Books by everyone from actress Shirley MacLaine to Ruth Montgomery and dozens of astrological and metaphysical writers spread enlightenment in the spiritually approved way. The money received by the authors is for their labors at the typewriter, the talent of stringing words together, earned over years of practice and hard work. To earn your bread by writing is the same as to earn your bread by being a craftsman in any endeavor.

I found that to be a rather disturbing and self serving viewpoint. And oddly are contradictory in nature to her previous statement of the Teacher/Student relationship, where no money must pass hands between them. So...unless a person writes a book...whereby they do indeed become the "TEACHER"and the purchaser "$" of said book does indeed become the "STUDENT"....it is ok then because the publisher and seller take care of the money exchange between teacher and student? Whether one writes a book or teaches in person orally....it is still a TEACHER/STUDENT relationship and masking that behind the selling of books is a contradiction. Both the writer teacher and the in person teacher are teachers! The only difference is one was lucky enough to get published!
I must respectfully disagree with Linda.
1.Astrologers are Not teaching when they provide readings or charts.
They are performing a valuable "SERVICE", as with anyone performing any type of "service".
2.Astrologers who teach, be it in person or through books....are still performing a valuable service, and deserve that "green energy"as compensation for their time and effort to serve the student/customer.
Would you expect to not pay for tutoring in any subject matter?
So colleges and or tech schools and Seminary schools should be free?
Your Karate instructor, your therapist, your mechanic, your meditation coach, etcetera, should not be paid?
Yeah...it would be great if everything was free! But in our society that is not logical nor practical and is highly disrespectful to expect "some" to just give their "services rendered" away for free.
These issues have been on my mind ever since I heard of them.
It's not my intention to offend or insult Linda's words. I simply see in some of them a few grave contradictions, and ask why?
And all I have heard back concerning the issue, was again, the often quoted phrase:
quote:
Money must not change hands between esoteric teacher and student.

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posted March 24, 2007 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
To continue with Linda's own words on the matter of "her personal rules and truths", which many have taken to heart as Linda's way is the only way!
That is NOT what Linda said!
xxxviii INTRODUCTION
quote:
Neither should you blindly accept, on your quest for truth, the validity of the star sign codes of the Universe I offer in this book-until you have practiced and carefully tested each one, so that you can decide for yourself rather than take my word for it.

To continue, in Linda's own words:
xl INTRODUCTION
quote:
However, I do not ask-nor do I even expect-any of you to regard my concepts as your truth, unless they should happen to agree with your own personal enlightenment and private convictions.

Concerning truth:
INTRODUCTION xli
quote:
But real Truth can be found in one place only-in every man's and woman's communion with an eternal Source of hidden Knowledge within-which each individual must seek and find for himself or herself.

I do not believe that Linda had intended for any of us to set her up high upon a pedestal and worship her blindly nor even agree with her or follow her way, her path.

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posted March 24, 2007 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
One should however when it comes to helping those who cannot afford to pay, or pay much, or who are truly suffering, to endeavor to still serve them...Freely at no cost to them.....but freely giving, altruistically, of our time and energy.
Additionally; if the sole purpose of any such rendering of service is totally motivated by the lure of the almighty dollars$ then one is doing it for the wrong reasons.

quote:
"Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering Or The Dire Needs Of Others"

Namaste`

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posted March 24, 2007 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
I would also appreciate some well thought out feedback, as to why Linda left the errors in her Lexigrams in her STAR SIGNS book? Was it to test us? Or are they genuine overlooked errors? But why were they not corrected?
I am not trying to point out any of her human flaws but trying to understand her reasons for leaving the errors in her Lexigrams, and without an explanation as to why she broke her own rules.

Quote From me:
quote:
So much of what she wrote is absolutely wonderful!!!!!
but I still have those nagging questions on some things she said or did concerning Lexigramming. Especially disturbing to me is the fact that these errors and other added letters, radically change the meaning or validity of the resulting Lexigrams.

Quote From Me:

quote:
"One can Force a Lexigram to say whatever one desires it to say, by adding letters not found in the name or original word etcetera, being Lexigrammed. But that negates the validity and truth of it."

Why would one desire to create and perpetuate a falsehood?
Remember the story:
"The Emperor's New Clothes"

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posted March 24, 2007 11:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lei_Kuei     Edit/Delete Message
Certainly alot to think about...

Supreme effort and research there Fayte! I know how passionate about Lexi's you are, sure wasn't it this board under such a subject that we first met hehe

I cant argue with what you saying here, cause I feel the same way

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posted March 29, 2007 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Lei_Kuei!
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Certainly alot to think about...
Supreme effort and research there Fayte!
Thank you! It took awhile to type it all out. I made an offer, and also wanted some well thought out feedback, but few care to look or discuss it all I guess.
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I know how passionate about Lexi's you are, sure wasn't it this board under such a subject that we first met hehe
Yes it was!
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I cant argue with what you saying here, cause I feel the same way

We were doing some serious Lexigramming together! It was very nice working with you, who did not hide letters, or cheat doing them. You are very good at Lexigramming! You respect the Art of Lexigramming and do not cheat, or add letters and hide them! Thank You!

I just wish other folks would stop HIDING their ADDED letters!
Almost everyone here does it, some more than others.

If people are going to ADD letters......
NOT FOUND in source.....
PLEASE SET OF THUSLY....AB(c)DEFGH(ij) or whatever!

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posted April 03, 2007 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goatgirl     Edit/Delete Message
Fayte,

You bring up some valid points indeed. I hadn't noticed errors in Linda's Lexigrammings, and I don't have Star Signs anymore, so I can't go check. THe goatie in me wants to KNOW for my self now

I attempt to not let extras into my Legigrams, because as you say, it does change the meaning of the message. Mistakes do happen, and I'm glad when someone points it out to me. I like things to be properly done.

Money between student and teacher. I think that would be dependant upon how much of a purist one wants to be. It's nice to talk about getting no money from knowledge exhcanged, but I never noticed anybody sending my money back when I purchased a book of hers...which is in essence a teaching if you will. I don't think there is anything wrong with making a living from sharing knowledge with others, as long as you are ethical and equitable about it. I never noticed any of my college professors sending back the tuition...It's not as though we live in a society that needs no currency exchanged. People have to eat, be clothed, etc. I've had people give me knowledge even though I couldn't "pay" them for it monitarily. I've also given knowledge to others because I wanted to pay it forward so to speak from the kindness that have been willingly given to me.

My thoughts.
GG

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posted April 03, 2007 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
goatgirl
Thank You!
I will get back about Linda's Lexigrams later.
I am also glad you understand how added letters can void the validity/truth, and alter the meaning of a Lexigram. (Some of Linda's are in that realm)No matter how much anyone may desire certain word(s) to be in any Lexigram, simply adding a word(s) not found from the source, does not make it true. A falsehood is a falsehood and no excuses can be made to make it a truth. The word(s) are either from the source or not. If one does add, then Please be honest and set it off in lower case within parenthesis. Intentionally hiding them is wrong, and very unethical.
I am glad to see someone sees what I am getting at about the worth and value exchange of services rendered to others.
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It's nice to talk about getting no money from knowledge exhcanged, but I never noticed anybody sending my money back when I purchased a book of hers...which is in essence a teaching if you will. I don't think there is anything wrong with making a living from sharing knowledge with others, as long as you are ethical and equitable about it. I never noticed any of my college professors sending back the tuition...It's not as though we live in a society that needs no currency exchanged. People have to eat, be clothed, etc.

One should not expect to get dance lessons, or karate instruction, or a college degree without paying the teacher and or instructors.
One should not expect a service to be done for free.....and a service rendered is not a teacher/student relationship at all. Examples:
Tax preparers
Geneology research
Complicated Astrological Charts
In depth Numerological Reports
Wedding Planners
The list goes on and on.
When someone puts time and hours or days or weeks into performing any service for people, there should be more than simply a thank you in return.
I would never dream of asking someone to do something for me which takes time and effort, without paying them or at least a bartering of something.

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posted April 04, 2007 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Goatgirl
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Fayte,

You bring up some valid points indeed. I hadn't noticed errors in Linda's Lexigrammings, and I don't have Star Signs anymore, so I can't go check. THe goatie in me wants to KNOW for my self now


As to Linda's Lexigram concerning Druids and Stonehenge.....
It has left me with questions as to why it was not corrected.
Firstly I will note that she put Druids in upper case. Which is
fine by me, but contradicts her saying elsewhere by her reckoning,
it should be in lower case letters. I have set off
in bold the errors(added letters not set off in parenthesis)
and also the letters she set off correctly, by her rules, in parenthesis.
The exceptions here are the odd scrambled line:
OSIR(i) IS (i) S
and also her setting HE-SHE off in parenthesis which was not necessary.
To Continue:

quote:
DRUIDS OF STONEHENGE

THE ONE NOTE IS NOT GONE
THE DRUIDS HID IT HERE IN THE RUINS EONS AGO
AS THE SUN ROSE
IT IS HIDDEN IN THE HUGE STONES...SEE THE STONES?
OSIR(i) IS (i) S GUIDED HERE (by) DRUIDS
TO SING THE TRUE NOTE FOR US (at) SUNRISE
THEIR SON HORUS GUIDED HERE TOO...TO SING
THE TRUE TONE
A SONG SUNG AT SUNRISE
THE GREAT GODS (HE-SHE) ORDAINED THIS
THIS IS RIGHT (and) THIS IS TRUE
A SONG OF GOODNESS SUNG (at) SUNRISE
THESE THREE (shall be) LED THERE (by) THE DRUIDS
HORUS IS HIS SON (Osiris)...HORUS IS HER SON (Isis)
STONEHENGE SINGS TO US!
SEE HIS TEARS?...................................SEE HER ROSES?
HEAR THE STONES?........................OH! HEAR THEIR SONG!
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DRUIDS OF STONEHENGE
The following is the Lexigram with the actual words found from the source phrase;
"DRUIDS OF STONEHENGE";
in BOLDED uppercase letters, and all added letters in parenthesis.
quote:
DRUIDS OF STONEHENGE

THE ONE NOTE IS NOT GONE
THE DRUIDS HID IT HERE IN THE RUINS EONS
(a)GO
(a)S THE SUN ROSE
IT IS HIDDEN IN THE HUGE STONES...SEE THE STONES?

OSIR(i) IS (i) S GUIDED HERE (by) DRUIDS
TO SING THE TRUE NOTE FOR US
(a)T SUNRISE
THEIR SON HORUS GUIDED HERE TOO...TO SING
THE TRUE TONE
A SONG SUNG
(a)T SUNRISE
THE
GRE(a)T GODS (HE-SHE) ORD(a)INED THIS
THIS IS RIGHT
(a)ND THIS IS TRUE
(a) SONG OF GOODNESS SUNG (a)T SUNRISE
THESE THREE
SH(all) (b)E (l)ED THERE (by) THE DRUIDS
HORUS IS HIS SON
OSIR(i)S...HORUS IS HER SON IS(i)S
STONEHENGE SINGS TO US!
SEE HIS
TE(a)RS?...................................SEE HER ROSES?
HE(a)R THE STONES?........................OH! HE(a)R THEIR SONG!
__________________SOON___________________


However not sure what she wanted to say here:

quote:
OSIR(i) IS (i) S GUIDED HERE (by) DRUIDS

"OSIR(i) IS (i) S"
***********Was she trying to say:
"OSIR(i)S IS"....leaving an extra letter "I" ?
***********Or:
"OSIR(i)S IS(i)S"....needing an extra letter "S" ?

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