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Ellynlvx
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posted July 11, 2014 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it's a powderhorn to muzzle term.

Though they don't list that in the etymologies that I have run across.

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posted July 11, 2014 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
I think it's a powderhorn to muzzle term.

Though they don't list that in the etymologies that I have run across.


Choke (firearms)

In practice, choke tubes tighter than "Full", such as "Turkey", are also commonly marked with but a single thin notch on the end of the tube. Hence, to distinguish between "Full" vs. even tighter chokes, such as "Turkey", it becomes necessary to measure the bore exit diameter of the choke tube to determine precisely which choke type is present among the "Full" and tighter (smaller diameter) chokes.

See entire article for more information.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choke_%28firearms%29

chock (adv.) Look up chock at Dictionary.com
"tightly, close up against," 1799, back formation from chock-full.
chock-full (adj.) Look up chock-full at Dictionary.com
c.1400, chokkeful "crammed full," possibly from choke "cheek" (see cheek (n.)). Or it may be from Old French choquier "collide, crash, hit" (13c., Modern French choquer), which is probably from Germanic (compare Middle Dutch schokken; see shock (n.1)).
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=chock+full&searchmode=no ne

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chock-full
ˈCHäkˌfo͝ol,ˈCHək-/
adjective
informal
adjective: chockfull

filled to overflowing.
"my briefcase is chock-full of notes"

Origin
late Middle English: of unknown origin; later associated with chock.

chock
CHäk/
noun
noun: chock; plural noun: chocks

1.
a wedge or block placed against a wheel or rounded object, to prevent it from moving.
a support on which a rounded structure, such as a cask or the hull of a boat, may be placed to keep it steady.
2.
a fitting with a gap at the top, through which a rope or line is run.

verb
verb: chock; 3rd person present: chocks; past tense: chocked; past participle: chocked; gerund or present participle: chocking

1.
prevent the forward movement of (a wheel or vehicle) with a chock.
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chock-full

chock–full
adjective \ˈchək-ˈfu̇l, ˈchäk-, -ˌfu̇l\

: completely full
Full Definition of CHOCK-FULL
: full to the limit <hotels chock–full of tourists>
See chock–full defined for English-language learners »
See chock-full defined for kids »
Variants of CHOCK-FULL
chock–full or chock·ful
Origin of CHOCK-FULL
Middle English chokkefull, probably from choken to choke + full
First Known Use: 15th century
Related to CHOCK-FULL

Synonyms
brimful, brimming, bursting, chockablock, chock-full (or chockful), crammed, crowded, fat, filled, jammed, jam-packed, loaded, packed, stuffed

Antonyms
bare, blank, devoid, empty, stark, vacant, void

Related Words
overcrowded, overfilled, overflowing, overfull, overladen, overloaded, overstuffed; abounding, flush, fraught, replete, rife, swarming, teeming

Near Antonyms
deficient, inadequate, incomplete, insufficient, short, shortish, shy, wanting; depleted, drained, exhausted

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posted July 11, 2014 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/chockful


chock-full
[chok-fool, chuhk-] Show IPA
adjective
full to the limit; crammed.
Also, chock-ful, chuck-full, choke-full.

Origin:
1350–1400; Middle English chokke-fulle, equivalent to chokke (< ?) + fulle full1

Dictionary.com Unabridged
Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2014.


World English Dictionary
chock-full , choke-full or chuck-full

— adj
( postpositive ) completely full

[C17 choke-full; see choke , full ]

choke-full , choke-full or chuck-full

— adj

[C17 choke-full; see choke , full ]

chuck-full , choke-full or chuck-full

— adj

[C17 choke-full; see choke , full ]

Collins English Dictionary - Complete & Unabridged 10th Edition
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Word Origin & History

chock-full
c.1400, chokkeful, possibly from choke "cheek." Or it may be from O.Fr. choquier "collide, thrust." Chock-a-block is nautical, said of two blocks of tackle run so closely they touch.
Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper

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posted July 11, 2014 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know why it turns me on, but it does.

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posted July 11, 2014 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And I read all that, but I still think it comes from those old muzzle loaders, cause origin is unknown, and it makes sense.

(Oh, but guns aren't as old as the term, huh?

Oh well.)

Just like I think jewelry came from the way Jewish people only had banking to resort to, and kept gems as they were easily transportable.

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posted July 11, 2014 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, like Block & Tackle.

Chain Hoist stuff.

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posted July 11, 2014 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, Thanks, LEXXI, I sure appreciate being able to ask you about these things.

You're the Coolest!

I sometimes forget to tell people that.

Usually it's because I am so interested in the subjects we are talking about.

But I really appreciate learning.

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posted July 11, 2014 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
And I read all that, but I still think it comes from those old muzzle loaders, cause origin is unknown, and it makes sense.

(Oh, but guns aren't as old as the term, huh?

Oh well.)


Indeed; the term predates firearms.
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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:

Just like I think jewelry came from the way Jewish people only had banking to resort to, and kept gems as they were easily transportable.

No; that is not true.
Not even close. Also jewels/gems/precious stones/crystal; go back before prehistory.
The source of the word "jewelry" is basically the following:

jewel (n.) Look up jewel at Dictionary.com
late 13c., "article of value used for adornment," from Anglo-French juel, Old French jouel "ornament, jewel" (12c.), perhaps from Medieval Latin jocale, from Latin jocus "pastime, sport," in Vulgar Latin "that which causes joy" (see joke (n.)). Another theory traces it to Latin gaudium, also with a notion of "rejoice" (see joy).

Sense of "precious stone" developed early 14c. Meaning "beloved person, admired woman" is late 14c. Colloquial family jewels "testicles" is from 1920s, but jewel as "testicle" dates to late 15c.

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jewelry (n.) Look up jewelry at Dictionary.com
late 14c., juelrye "precious ornaments, jewel work," from Old French juelerye, from jouel (see jewel). In modern use it can be analyzed as jewel + -ery or jeweler + -y (1). Also jewellery.

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The basic etymology of the word "Jew",
has nothing to do with jewelry/jewels.

Jew (n.) Look up Jew at Dictionary.com
late 12c. (in plural, giwis), from Anglo-French iuw, Old French giu, from Latin Iudaeum (nominative Iudaeus), from Greek Ioudaios, from Aramaic jehudhai (Hebrew y'hudi) "Jew," from Y'hudah "Judah," literally "celebrated," name of Jacob's fourth son and of the tribe descended from him. Replaced Old English Iudeas "the Jews." Originally, "Hebrew of the kingdom of Judah."

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posted July 12, 2014 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leo Rears His Regal Maned Head yet again.

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posted July 12, 2014 12:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, LEXXI.

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posted July 12, 2014 08:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
I don't know why it turns me on, but it does.
quote:
Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
Leo Rears His Regal Maned Head yet again.

There are times you make no sense to me...........oh well.

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posted July 12, 2014 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leo is the Tribe of Judah.

I wasn't being rude, Lexxi.

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posted July 12, 2014 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
Leo is the Tribe of Judah.

I wasn't being rude, Lexxi.


I did not think that you were being rude.
I simply did not know what you were going on about.
Now I see the context you were referring to.
Thank you for clarifying.

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posted November 15, 2015 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I use the term in my writing. Good to know the origin.

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posted November 16, 2015 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am chock-full of ideas.

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