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Ayelet
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posted May 03, 2015 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Lexx and everyone! I was wondering: What do you think is the esoteric reason for the word "hello" to contain "hell" in it?

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posted May 04, 2015 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good query.

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posted May 05, 2015 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've always wondered about Satan and Santa, too.

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posted May 08, 2015 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LEXX?

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posted May 09, 2015 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ayelet:
Hello Lexx and everyone! I was wondering: What do you think is the esoteric reason for the word "hello" to contain "hell" in it?
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Originally posted by Randall:
I've always wondered about Satan and Santa, too.
I think it is just a coincidence and nothing more.
Most of the time such "finds" as Hell in hello, or Santa Anagrams to Satan, are just weird happenings and nothing more.
What each person sees in words tells often more about their thinking than what the word(s) etymology is. This is especially true of words having 5 letters or fewer.

Santa Anagramming to Satan is also a meaningless "call". Santa for example; is Santa Claus, or Saint Nickolaus; not simply Santa.

See these threads: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001935.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/002144.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/002016.html


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posted May 09, 2015 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As the etymologies of Hell/hello and Santa/Satan show; there is no connection betwixt any of them.
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hello
1883, alteration of hallo, itself an alteration of holla, hollo, a shout to attract attention, which seems to go back to at least c. 1400. Perhaps from holla! "stop, cease." OED cites Old High German hala, hola, emphatic imperative of halon, holon "to fetch," "used especially in hailing a ferryman." Fowler lists halloo, hallo, halloa, halloo, hello, hillo, hilloa, holla, holler, hollo, holloa, hollow, hullo, and writes, "The multiplicity of forms is bewildering ...." Popularity as a greeting coincides with use of the telephone, where it won out over Alexander Graham Bell's suggestion, ahoy. Central telephone exchange operators were known as hello-girls (1889).

Hello, formerly an Americanism, is now nearly as common as hullo in Britain (Say who you are; do not just say 'hello' is the warning given in our telephone directories) and the Englishman cannot be expected to give up the right to say hello if he likes it better than his native hullo. [H.W. Fowler, "A Dictionary of Modern English Usage," 1926]


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Hell
hell (n.) Look up hell at Dictionary.com
Old English hel, helle, "nether world, abode of the dead, infernal regions," from Proto-Germanic *haljo "the underworld" (cognates: f. Old Frisian helle, Dutch hel, Old Norse hel, German Hölle, Gothic halja "hell") "the underworld," literally "concealed place" (compare Old Norse hellir "cave, cavern"), from PIE *kel- (2) "to cover, conceal" (see cell).

The English word may be in part from Old Norse Hel (from Proto-Germanic *halija "one who covers up or hides something"), in Norse mythology the name of Loki's daughter, who rules over the evil dead in Niflheim, the lowest of all worlds (nifl "mist"). Transfer of a pagan concept and word to a Christian idiom. In Middle English, also of the Limbus Patrum, place where the Patriarchs, Prophets, etc. awaited the Atonement. Used in the KJV for Old Testament Hebrew Sheol and New Testament Greek Hades, Gehenna. Used figuratively for "state of misery, any bad experience" since at least late 14c. As an expression of disgust, etc., first recorded 1670s.

Expression Hell in a handbasket is attested by 1867, in a context implying use from a few years before, and the notion of going to Heaven in a handbasket is from 1853, with a sense of "easy passage" to the destination. Hell or high water (1874) apparently is a variation of between the devil and the deep blue sea. To wish someone would go to hell is in Shakespeare ("Merchant of Venice"). Snowball's chance in hell "no chance" is from 1931; till hell freezes over "never" is from 1832. To ride hell for leather is from 1889, originally with reference to riding on horseback. Hell on wheels is said to be from 1843 in DAS; popularity dates from 1869 in reference to the temporary workers' towns along the U.S. transcontinental railroad and their vices.[/quote] http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=Hell&searchmode=none
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Santa
Santa (n.) Look up Santa at Dictionary.com
1893 as a shortened form of Santa Claus.
Santa Claus (n.) Look up Santa Claus at Dictionary.com
1773 (as St. A Claus, in "New York Gazette"), American English, from dialectal Dutch Sante Klaas, from Middle Dutch Sinter Niklaas "Saint Nicholas," bishop of Asia Minor who became a patron saint for children. Now a worldwide phenomenon (Japanese santakurosu). Father Christmas is attested from 1650s.[/quote] http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=Santa&searchmode=none
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Satan
Satan (n.) Look up Satan at Dictionary.com
proper name of the supreme evil spirit in Christianity, Old English Satan, from Late Latin Satan (in Vulgate in Old Testament only), from Greek Satanas, from Hebrew satan "adversary, one who plots against another," from satan "to show enmity to, oppose, plot against," from root s-t-n "one who opposes, obstructs, or acts as an adversary."

In Septuagint (Greek) usually translated as diabolos "slanderer," literally "one who throws (something) across" the path of another (see devil (n.)), though epiboulos "plotter" is used once.

In biblical sources the Hebrew term the satan describes an adversarial role. It is not the name of a particular character. Although Hebrew storytellers as early as the sixth century B.C.E. occasionally introduced a supernatural character whom they called the satan, what they meant was any one of the angels sent by God for the specific purpose of blocking or obstructing human activity. [Elaine Pagels, "The Origin of Satan," 1995] [/quote] http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=Satan&searchmode=none

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posted May 10, 2015 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, LEXX.

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posted May 11, 2015 03:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're welcome!

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posted May 11, 2015 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But wouldn't you say, Lexxigramer, that every lexigram is a coincidence, nothing more?

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posted May 11, 2015 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And anyhow you wouldn't say there is an esoteric or a mystical meaning behind any lexigram.

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posted May 12, 2015 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think most have meaning.

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posted May 12, 2015 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think all of them have meaning. But I think Lexxi doesn't believe none of them has esoteric or mystical meaning, even if some have linguistic sources.

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posted May 13, 2015 04:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps I'm wrong.

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posted May 13, 2015 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think we can find meaning or not and believe or not.
SERIOUSLY;
I WOULD NOT DO LEXIGRAMMING IF I BELIEVED ALL WERE TOTALLY MEANINGLESS.

After all I have posted about Lexigram describing what they can indicate and all; how can anyone think I think they are all meaningless?

I just feel that the shorter/more common finds when Lexigramming, do not always bear as much weight of relevance, if any, to longer less common rare finds.

For example; many people have Ra in their names.
Does that mean that the deity Ra matters to everyone who has it in their name? That is subject to opinion.
I knew a family of mother, son, and daughter; who each had RA within their full names; and the mother in both her full maiden/birth name and married name.
Sure it was cool that all three people's names had RA; but RA was too common in my opinion to carry much relevant weight.
Now these words, rare and much longer were found in each person's names, and carry heavy relevant weight in my opinion!
PARADIASICAL
INFANTICIDE
INFANTILE
PATRICIDE
FRATRICIDAL
MATRICIDE
MATRICIDAL
FANTASTICAL

They all had many more such long rare words!
THAT TO ME BEARS MORE WEIGHT THAN MOST SHORTER WORDS!
There are short rare words that I feel bear much weight of relevance and meaning however.
LOVE is oddly one such words. Very rare to be found in most names.
So folks, you got me wrong;
because...
I DO BELIEVE LEXIGRAMMING HAS MEANING;
just not every time or as much relevance.
One must be discerning.
And take into consideration the etymologies as I illustrated. Automatically attributing heavy meaning is only opinion, not truth.
Discernment must be taken into account.


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posted May 13, 2015 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Lexxigramer, for pointing that out.

I think "hell" means something in "hello", but that is my opinion, and I am not sure what it means. Perhaps that in hell we are in the illusion of seperateness and need to overcome it by using "hello".

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posted May 14, 2015 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Those are some very rare words!

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posted April 24, 2017 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BUMP!
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Originally posted by Ayelet:
Thank you, Lexxigramer, for pointing that out.

I think "hell" means something in "hello", but that is my opinion, and I am not sure what it means. Perhaps that in hell we are in the illusion of seperateness and need to overcome it by using "hello".


That is a good way to look at it!
As in self imposed psychological "hells"
related to a sense of isolation, loneliness, disconnectedness, and so forth from others.
So yes; a good call you have made by associating HELL and HELLO!
Like one is the disease/affliction=HELL;
and the other word;
HELLO=the cure for the disease/affliction.
Thank you for that analysis!
Some information about such "HELLS". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_isolation
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posted May 08, 2017 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ayelet:
Hello Lexx and everyone! I was wondering: What do you think is the esoteric reason for the word "hello" to contain "hell" in it?


Hi Ayelet. Really the word seems most powerful to those who are more religiously tuned. I think anyway. Hell can be anywhere.
I think Hel from Norse/Hyperborea might have some relation to the word Hell. Hello, I can't figure where it falls into it. It could be a reminder of Hell. Idk.

Personally I think of Dante's Inferno or the darker side of the film, 'What Dreams May Come'. The dark portion of the film, with the word of Hell. We are programmed to fear Hell. Yet our minds may very well 'be the creation' of it. After all we each are unique with perception. Not uniform in thought, dream, fear, desire etc. I think there's such a thing as the collective but singularity as well.

My perception is it's within the mind. Darkness and light within us all, always.

For me, Hell is in my name and I even have this: 'I am Hell' - which anyone who has ever known me, they'd say how fitting it is.
I have been known to be obnoxious. Definitely. lol Having this as part of me makes me think of an old tune 🎵Don't fear the reaper 🎵 by Blue Oyster Cult
I need to read this thread to see what Lexx and others said. There may be some Hell/Hello I might learn about. Thanks for posting it, Ayelet.

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posted May 08, 2017 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
I've always wondered about Satan and Santa, too.


Me too, Randall. As a girl I
would quip to anyone "It isn't Santa Claus, it's Satan Claws'. Strange child I was. At least to the others who didn't probe the mysteries everywhere.

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posted May 08, 2017 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ayelet:
Thank you, Lexxigramer, for pointing that out.

I think "hell" means something in "hello", but that is my opinion, and I am not sure what it means. Perhaps that in hell we are in the illusion of seperateness and need to overcome it by using "hello".



Ayelet,
Reading your statement here, my mind traveled to a echo chamber. Much like a cave. Which in the research data Lexx added here to Hel/Hell, it had me imagining the chamber to be a cave. I heard the word 'Hel-l-o' in that way they do in movies and tv. Someone will speak to an unknown, unforseen 'other'. My mind just took me there. Maybe that's why they use this syquence in films. To reflect the fear of the unknown? Perhaps.


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posted May 08, 2017 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hel

Loki's daughter, goddess of death and the underworld
the underworld to which the dead not killed in battle are sent

Origin of Hel

Norse Mythology
The goddess of death and the underworld; the daughter of Loki.
The underworld of the dead not killed in battle.

Origin of Hel
Old Norse; see kel-1 in Indo-European roots.



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hell (n.)
also Hell, Old English hel, helle, "nether world, abode of the dead, infernal regions, place of torment for the wicked after death," from Proto-Germanic *haljo "the underworld" (source also of Old Frisian helle, Old Saxon hellia, Dutch hel, Old Norse hel, German Hölle, Gothic halja "hell"). Literally "concealed place" (compare Old Norse hellir "cave, cavern"), from PIE root *kel- (2) "to cover, conceal, save."

The English word may be in part from ]Old Norse mythological Hel (from Proto-Germanic *halija "one who covers up or hides something"), in Norse mythology, Hel is the name of Loki's daughter who rules over the evil dead in Niflheim, the lowest of all worlds (nifl "mist").


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posted May 08, 2017 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Me too, Randall. As a girl I
would quip to anyone "It isn't Santa Claus, it's Satan Claws'. Strange child I was. At least to the others who didn't probe the mysteries everywhere.


I posted about that on this page. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001935.html

Also a longer rant here:

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/002186.html

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posted May 11, 2017 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HELLO!
The following may help explain why I do not get overly caught up with and overthinking that words that have some of their letters in the same sequence as other words might mean something, might be significant.
Sometimes a word(s) is just another totally different word even if spelled the same; or has part of another word within it in the same order.
I hope that made sense.

WORDS THAT START WITH HEL

WORDS THAT START WITH HELL

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