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Topic: Rye or Clover for Nitrogen ?
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PlutoSurvivor Moderator Posts: 2043 From: USA Registered: Sep 2011
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posted November 17, 2014 01:22 AM
Is it better to plant rye or clover to add nitrogen to your soil over winter? they say rye can only be tilled with a machine what's your experience, can you till rye by hand in the spring or do you need a rototiller?IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 64258 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 18, 2014 11:33 AM
Wish I could help.IP: Logged |
PlutoSurvivor Moderator Posts: 2043 From: USA Registered: Sep 2011
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posted November 19, 2014 09:00 PM
me too
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PlutoSurvivor Moderator Posts: 2043 From: USA Registered: Sep 2011
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posted November 19, 2014 09:01 PM
...wish you could help, that isIP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 64258 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 20, 2014 09:34 AM
Sorry.IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 64258 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 21, 2014 01:28 PM
Someone must know.IP: Logged |
TensionEmpire Knowflake Posts: 337 From: Hamburg Registered: Sep 2014
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posted November 26, 2014 07:52 PM
I did never plant rye or simmilar. So I have not much experience Of course you can plant rye without a machine, how did they do it when there where no machines? xD I think rye is not leguminous. Clover I know is, leguminous plants fix nitrogen in the soil with the simbiosis with that bacteria. But I believe you alredy knew that.IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 64258 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 03, 2014 03:49 PM
*bump*IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 64258 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 17, 2014 10:38 AM
Did you figure it out?IP: Logged |
PlutoSurvivor Moderator Posts: 2043 From: USA Registered: Sep 2011
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posted December 19, 2014 01:22 AM
Well, I went to the farm store where they sell the seed and they suggested winter rye for cover, but the roots make it hard to till by the time spring arrives. Clover is better for early spring cover and tills easily. I forgot to ask if is too late to plant so I will try a little bit and see what happens. IP: Logged |
mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 5254 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted January 10, 2015 01:40 PM
I spent some time researching your topic when you first posted this. I recall somewhat that there is a hybrid seed you can use... Sorry, I should have posted it. I lost my work. But they have that subject 'covered' if you need this kind of product! ...without the 'wasted work', like 'leek'y diapers! omg, I'm still enjoying that good chuckle in my belly from the pun you made in another post, PlutoSurvivor!! IP: Logged |
PlutoSurvivor Moderator Posts: 2043 From: USA Registered: Sep 2011
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posted January 10, 2015 10:05 PM
Well, I'm glad someone didn't think it was too corny IP: Logged |
mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 5254 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted January 11, 2015 12:09 AM
^ corny ! IP: Logged |
deepseablues Knowflake Posts: 951 From: the ocean floor Registered: Jan 2014
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posted January 12, 2015 10:55 PM
I read clover, and alfalfa IP: Logged |
PlutoSurvivor Moderator Posts: 2043 From: USA Registered: Sep 2011
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posted January 13, 2015 12:02 AM
Ha!, get it IP: Logged |
PlutoSurvivor Moderator Posts: 2043 From: USA Registered: Sep 2011
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posted April 30, 2015 10:39 PM
It just dawned on me that the pet grass sold in pet stores for indoor cats is actually oat grass and rye grass. Probably wheat grass and clover, too bIP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 64258 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 01, 2015 03:16 PM
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mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 5254 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted May 06, 2015 01:57 AM
(music) Crimson and Clover (Tommy James & The Shondells, lyrics) [5:35] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4-NDc2jRmQ IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 64258 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 07, 2015 04:41 PM
Joan Jett did a version, too.IP: Logged |
mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 5254 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted May 07, 2015 08:40 PM
^ You're right! It was the first one I thought of~~ but I couldn't find any Joan Jett that had a good video-match to this thread. I really luuuuvvvv that deep grungy base-walk and beat she uses. When I enjoyed roller-skating long ago, this was one of my favorite tunes to skate to! Stroke!! (music) I Love Rock n Roll (Joan Jett & The Blackhearts) [2:59] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NH0ZwqBsKU IP: Logged |
HRH-FishAreFish Knowflake Posts: 1067 From: Neptune next to Mike & Pluto Registered: May 2013
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posted May 08, 2015 06:02 AM
Interesting dilemma, PlutoSurvivor. Maybe you could try planting Goobers instead... quote:
NITROGEN FIXATION EFFICIENCY AND NITROGEN FERTILIZATIONSome legumes are better at fixing nitrogen than others. Common beans are poor fixers (less than 50 lbs per acre) and fix less than their nitrogen needs. Maximum economic yield for beans in New Mexico requires an additional 30-50 lbs of fertilizer nitrogen per acre. However, if beans are not nodulated, yields often remain low, regardless of the amount of nitrogen applied. Nodules apparently help the plant use fertilizer nitrogen efficiently. Other grain legumes such as peanuts, cowpeas, soybeans, and faba beans are good nitrogen fixers, and will fix all of their nitrogen needs other than that absorbed from the soil. These legumes may fix up to 250 lbs of nitrogen per acre and are not usually fertilized. In fact, they usually don't respond to nitrogen fertilizer as long as they are capable of fixing nitrogen. Nitrogen fertilizer is applied at planting to these legumes when grown on sandy or low organic matter soils to supply nitrogen to the plant before nitrogen fixation starts. If nitrogen is applied, the rate is low, 10-15 lbs per acre. When large amounts of nitrogen are applied, the plant literally slows or shuts down the nitrogen fixation process. It is easier and less energy consuming for the plant to absorb nitrogen from the soil than to fix it from the air. Perennial and forage legumes such as alfalfa, sweetclover, true clovers, and vetches may fix 250-500 lbs of nitrogen per acre. Like the grain legumes previously discussed, they are not normally fertilized with nitrogen. They occasionally respond to nitrogen fertilizer at planting or immediately after a cutting when the photosynthate supply is too low for adequate nitrogen fixation. NITROGEN RETURN TO THE SOIL AND OTHER CROPS The amount of nitrogen returned to the soil during or after a legume crop can be misleading. Almost all of the nitrogen fixed goes directly into the plant. Little leaks into the soil for a neighboring non-legume plant. However, nitrogen eventually returns to the soil for a neighboring plant when vegetation (roots, leaves, fruits) of the legume die and decompose. When the grain from a grain legume crop is harvested, little nitrogen is returned for the following crop. Most of the nitrogen fixed during the season is removed from the field. The stalks, leaves, and roots of grain legumes such as soybeans and beans contain about the same concentration of nitrogen as found in non-legume crop residue. In fact, the residue from a corn crop contains more nitrogen than the residue from a bean crop, simply because the corn crop has more residue. A perennial or forage legume crop only adds significant nitrogen for the following crop if the entire biomass (stems, leaves, roots) is incorporated into the soil. If a forage is cut and removed from the field, most of the nitrogen fixed by the forage is removed. Roots and crowns add little soil nitrogen, compared to the above ground biomass. http://www.csun.edu/~hcbio027/biotechnology/lec10/lindemann.html
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HRH-FishAreFish Knowflake Posts: 1067 From: Neptune next to Mike & Pluto Registered: May 2013
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posted May 08, 2015 06:55 AM
The only thing I could think of that would be more fun than goobers would be... IP: Logged |
HRH-FishAreFish Knowflake Posts: 1067 From: Neptune next to Mike & Pluto Registered: May 2013
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posted May 08, 2015 07:09 AM
If anyone could pull it off, it would surely be a Pluto survivor!..and maybe I have an hyperactive imagination, but I could easily conjure up a vision of you out at night working in your field illuminated by the glow of your super cool lightning machine... IP: Logged |
PlutoSurvivor Moderator Posts: 2043 From: USA Registered: Sep 2011
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posted May 09, 2015 08:50 AM
quote: Originally posted by mirage29: (music) Crimson and Clover (Tommy James & The Shondells, lyrics) [5:35] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4-NDc2jRmQ
Great song, thanks for the revival
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PlutoSurvivor Moderator Posts: 2043 From: USA Registered: Sep 2011
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posted May 09, 2015 09:00 AM
@ HRH You have a crazy sense of humor... I love it!IP: Logged |