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StarLover33
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posted May 25, 2003 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarLover33     Edit/Delete Message
I would love to start a conversation about the very symbolic, and strange prophecies of this book.

My opinion is that they are indeed very accurate, and must be considered very real, as I feel the prophecies have already happened through the Eternal Now.

Let's try hard to interpret the symbolism and the meaning.

So please try and put your bible next to the computer for this topic.

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posted May 26, 2003 01:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message

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posted May 26, 2003 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message
Greetings Star and all...

Ok, but you may be very sorry that you chose to start this conversation. "The Book of the Apocalypse", is very much "Veiled" in Qabalistic Gematria.

Gematria is based on the fact that in many acient cultures such as the Hebrew and Greek, their letters of the alphabet served also as numbers.. so each word could also be read as a number.

That being said, any word or phrase or sentence that added up to the same number value could be said to explain or expand upon each other.

For instance The Hebrew word for LOVE (Aheba)adds up to 13, as does the Hebrew word for Unity (Achad). Well this makes perfect sense you say, love and unity, the same thing! But, the word for desolate; void (bahu) is also 13, as is the word for anxiety; care; grief (dageh) and also the word meaning to violate; to asperse; a female enemy (ayeb). How do these words explain love and unity?

The answer is that hate and love are opposite expressions of a single power. Have you ever been in love? Then you know that desolation, emptiness and voidness belong to love, when love hungers for its object. Who would deny that love is often a source of grief? Or that its expression sometimes is twisted into aspersion and enmity?

We often call the Apocalypse the Book Revelations, but for most who attempt to deciper the book, it Reveals very little! In fact, the word "Apocalypse" literally translated means, "disrobing or unveiling".

I believe that this book is not so much a prophecy of the future, but more a description, in veiled terms, of the Path of Initiation into Christian Mysteries. It is a manual of spiritual unfoldment for those with the eyes to see, and the ears to hear.

At least that is my current opinion, based on the information that I have been led to in my studies of this cryptic text. And no, I do not pretend to be a biblical scholar nor well versed in Greek Gematria... but one of my Astrology teachers led me to an interesting book many years ago, that has helped to clarify Revelations for me.

(However, I am very open to any sort of discussion on the topic... I always learn more when I have a chance to pick something apart... must be all that Mercury influence in my nativity!)

It's by a man named James M. Pryse and called "The Apocalypse Unsealed". The copyright on the edition in my possession is dated 1910, and I'm sure that anyone interested could obtain a copy from a good antiquarian bookseller.

The place that I use for many of the things I've wanted that have been out of print since "Noah built the ark" (thank you, Linda!) is called Weiser Antiquarian Books and they are located in York, Maine. (207-363-7253) www.weiserantiquarian.com

I deal with a woman there named Marilyn, and I'm sure she would be more than happy to help any Knowflakes find some of the old books that Linda mentions in the "For the Pilgrim's Progress" sections of Love Signs and Star Signs.

That being said... let the games begin!


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posted May 26, 2003 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarLover33     Edit/Delete Message
Now is the Chaldean Numerology appropriate for the Book of Revelations?

Unfortunatly, because the bible has been translated into English, no one will be able to know the true codes of each word.

My question is very general, so who is this harlot or beast, that the revelations are referring to? Or is this the false idea, of a poorly translated English bible?

I have read many websites, not of credibility, but some people believe (maybe myself) that the real beast is the Roman Catholic Church. Now, how far off am I? I can't really take an hour or two writing the words that lead me to this conclusion, but I'm hoping you've heard this too, and will help further the truth.

It makes sense that the word Apocalypse, means disrobing or unveiling, becuase it's trying to reveal the truth, but the words must be disected to reveal what they're really saying. Right?

Atleast we know, that it has nothing to do with the end of the world, there is no end.

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posted May 27, 2003 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message
Hello again Star...

Well, interestingly enough, the Chaldean Numerology is just the correct system to use, as the Hebrews got their alphabet, which IS their number system from the Chaldeans!

As you have said, I have seen mention that the Harlot could be the Catholic Church. It certainly has taken money for favors if you will, down through the centuries; case in point, getting a marriage annulled... and at one point in time, you received certain "indulgences" by donating to the Church. Kind of like buying your way into Heaven.

In terms of the identity of the Beast... well, I think that bears some careful thought and meditation. I think we'll have to get back to that one at a later date.

Onward and upward!

Blessed Be...
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posted May 28, 2003 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarLover33     Edit/Delete Message
Well said Aselzion!

I also would like to point out, that the Roman Catholic Church was responsible for 15 million deaths in the dark ages alone.

Separately, it's responsible for the crusades, witch hunts, excommunications, promoting punishment for the Black Plague, changing the 10 commandments, secret child molestations, and in the last century alone, the Pope's approval of Hitler's holocoust at the time.

Let's not even mention the amount of money the Vatican sustains. Is that the way christ wanted it? I don't believe so!

Am I really talking out of my butt?


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posted May 28, 2003 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message
Star...

No, I agree with what you are saying.

However, the unenlightened masses that want their religion served to them in small, palatable hunks, are being served by the Church. (all Churches in their way)

It's not all good, for sure and certain, but then again, there are some very sincere priests out there that are "called" into service. So, it certainly ain't all bad either.

When one is ready to ask questions and seek for answers, I think all orthodox religions fall by the wayside, and instead we seek the companionship, or communion, if you will, of like minded individuals.

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posted May 28, 2003 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarLover33     Edit/Delete Message
I agree, as I said before, I only go against the hiarchy of the church. I know that there are a lot of wonderful priests, monks, and nuns out there!

When I have more time to spare, I'll get back to you on some of the excerpts that I have questions for.

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Randall
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posted May 30, 2003 04:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message

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"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark

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Kerry
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posted August 09, 2003 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerry     Edit/Delete Message
Ahhhh yes, the "business" which is organized religion.....The real estate, the money, the contrabutions, from the so called "sinners".....religion enlightened?...once again I beg to differ!My perogative of course, and seem we are all good and bad, seemingly decietful and apparently perfection all round, what does it matter?..we all "get there in the end".

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juniperb
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posted August 10, 2003 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Starlover & A.

Re: your first post Star, I just read Dafremans post on Revelations and will be pondering it for a long while!. Check it out!

What the hands of man hath wrought
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Randall
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posted August 16, 2003 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
To the top!

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posted August 26, 2003 03:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for believer     Edit/Delete Message
I always wondered if the chapter in the bible "Numbers" should have been about numerology . . . only it was edited

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posted August 26, 2003 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for QueenofSheeba     Edit/Delete Message
That made would make so much sense! I've always wondered how the books of the Bible got such strange names...

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Hello everybody! I used to be QueenofSheeba and then I was Apollo and now I am QueenofSheeba again (and I'm a guy in case you didn't know)!

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posted August 27, 2003 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message

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Montana Rain
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posted February 25, 2004 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Montana Rain     Edit/Delete Message
Hello all...Revelation is a awsome book...the
beast is satan, the anti-christ. Sixth seal, sixth vile, sixth trumph... www.shepherdschapel.com This man is fluent in the knowledge of Hebrew, Greek and Aribic.
Pastor Murray no denomination, he teaches those who have eyes to see and ears to hear...The Truth of God's Word...well worth checking this teacher out...He changed my life...When we are a child we get milk, when we are an adult we need meat...If you are hungry...You will be fed...
Peace to your Soul
Love to your Heart...God Bless you and yours
Montana Rain

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posted February 28, 2004 08:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message

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"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark

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lotusheartone
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posted November 19, 2005 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
More interesting stuff!


Love and Light to ALL

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Charlotte
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posted November 20, 2005 02:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Charlotte     Edit/Delete Message
Awesome reading so far.
I have a problem with any religion that automatically proclaims all non believers of said religion are going to Hell. The Born again Christian movement in America is notorious for this dictum!

I do believe there is absolute truth in the scriptures, if we are wise enough to understand it. I also am of a mind to believe that the book of Revelations has also happened in the Eternal Now.


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amisha121877
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posted December 07, 2005 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amisha121877     Edit/Delete Message
religious doctrines are filled with metaphors and similes. as far as revelations is concerned, i believe that it was the beginning of a really intricate plan to link astrological influences with forecasts and behaviour amongst those who dwell in the conscious and wish to travel in the unconscious/subconscious and should i add, the lack thereof.

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posted March 05, 2006 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GingerB     Edit/Delete Message
*just a thought*

If you were a person who lived in those long ago times...

How would you describe:

Helicopters?
Airplanes?
Tanks?
Missles?
TV antenna's, and cable dishes, on tops of houses?
Satelite's?

(think about it)

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posted March 13, 2006 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amisha121877     Edit/Delete Message
LOL Ginger B - just for laughs:

when i read your post - all i could picture was people using cable dishes/satellites as places to dry clothes and cook meat. missles as fire works - but after a mishap - as just a town decoration. airplanes as meditation chambers. tanks as form of punishment - short term prison for seedy behavior with the possibility of death, if person is in there for a minute too long. and helicopters - as windmills of sorts.

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GingerB!
I am with you on the idea that a primitive man would not understand a vision of the future. I will get back to more on this...but here are a few of my observations.

Some of my interpretations after each verse:

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

********He calls it new Jerusalem.
Jerusalem means New City. So he is speaking of an even newer
looking "changed",Jerusalem..like nothing he has ever imagined before. A modern 21st. century city.
********John was having an OBE. As he..not the city..was "coming down from God"=as he viewed the city from above.....

Revelation 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

******Again...he is the one descending..not the city. This is clear by his being taken away in the spirit...i.e.; an OBE.

Revelation 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

******Modern ELECTRIC lighting. Colors and neons and movement. Even the car lights. It would look like glittering bright jewels to primitive eyes and concepts.

Revelation 21:18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.

******Modern architecture...glass..skyscrapers....reflective surfaces, as on many modern buildings. Mirror/glass like.

Revelation 21:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;

******Again..modern materials...glass...metals...plastic...electric lights...vibrant paints...and colorants.

Revelation 21:20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.

******The same thing as the previous interpretations of what he thought he saw.

Revelation 21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

******And again..a modern city all in lights at night...

Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

******This indicates to me that he was in an OBE state and was seeing the city...(which may or may not have been Jerusalem...but ANY major modern city) AT NIGHT...from overhead. Now be it from an overlook or from a plane...how do modern cities at night look from the air? Like jewels gleaming and glittering below in the darkness! Add to that the sodium vapor lights which make the streets appear as if they are made of gold...and there you have it...a primitive man seeing a vision of the future.
Even a brightly lit city could appear in places as to be on fire, in flames... to a person who does not understand electric lights. It would be like magic or of God to him.

Revelation 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

*****In the ancient times the fortified walls of great cities were often gated and closed at night. He would find the lack of closed gates a strange thing indeed! And again.."no night there"..of course not..ELECTRIC lights!

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posted April 24, 2006 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
*bump*

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"There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll

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posted April 24, 2006 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 13anshee     Edit/Delete Message
really, seriously
does anyone of us here need anything other than our higher elves?

an old book that's been edited morenthan michael jacksons face shouldn't really be used as a reference point for faith in ones elf

just my opionion but i did endure 10 years of brain washing at a catholic school i do know a wee bit about the bible moreso how rich the catholic church is and the fact that the majority of the bible is stuff put in there, or rather mis interpreted

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