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LeylaLeFay
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posted December 22, 2005 01:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeylaLeFay     Edit/Delete Message
I agreed to go out on a date with a man, then afterward took a look at his signature on a reciept.

I am freaked out because at the end of his signature, it stabs backward, all the way through. He has crossed out his own name.

I have seen people who put a line under their name and people who put an arch over the top of their name, but this man has drawn a straight line through the middle of his own name.

Its like he has negated himself. Or even impailed himself.

Does this mean he is suicidal or masochistic? Or that he wishes himself harm? Or feels he doesn't matter/ doesn't exist?

I know from a friend he doesn't drink or take drugs, and has never been on the wrong side of the law. He's always been a steady worker. He doesn't seem to have any other outward destructive signs.

I have looked online but can't find an example of this.

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lotusheartone
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posted December 22, 2005 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
Perhaps, he does not like his given name, I feel, it's a really simple answer, but he probably doen't even realize he does it.
He must have been someone famous in past lives... ...

Just my thoughts

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LeylaLeFay
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posted December 22, 2005 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeylaLeFay     Edit/Delete Message
I'm sorry, but I really think I've been red flagged here. It's probably the most destructive thing a person can do, to cross out their own name. It's like cutting up a picture of yourself.

This man is a very good catch. He's good looking, owns his own home, his own business, and wants to marry and have children very badly.

I have it on good authority that he is one of those types who avoids girls who are interested in him, yet chases after girls who don't want to be with him and who treat him poorly.

For that reason I have been careful to turn him down the first two times he asked me out, and only said yes the third time.

Now looking at this signature I feel he is one of those men (and there are a lot of them) that if I give him any love or affection at all, he will turn and leave. Because he doesn't think much of himself.

I know men like women who play hard-to-get, and I accept that as a fact of life. But I am not willing to abuse someone to be in a relationship with them.

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lioneye68
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posted December 23, 2005 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lioneye68     Edit/Delete Message
That's interesting, Leyley. It's like he's saying "I'm not worth s#it-all"

I would be curious to find out about his upbringing, and family life. How does he feel about his dad? Was he rejected by him?
Worse if he was rejected by his mom. He'll feel like women are too scary and hurtfull to get close to.

Do you know anything about his upbringing?

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LeylaLeFay
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posted December 23, 2005 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeylaLeFay     Edit/Delete Message
I too will ask him about his family upbringing when we get together. I am interested to know.

He doesn't have a problem getting close to women, or getting walked on and used by women. He rejects outright the good ones who are really interested in him.

I fear he will say there's "no chemistry" because I am not abusive enough for his tastes.

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posted December 23, 2005 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeylaLeFay     Edit/Delete Message
Oops. Double Post.

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Randall
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posted December 29, 2005 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message

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"There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll

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LeylaLeFay
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posted January 01, 2006 05:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeylaLeFay     Edit/Delete Message
Yep, Randall. That's pretty much how I feel about the situation too.

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lioneye68
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posted January 01, 2006 07:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lioneye68     Edit/Delete Message
I don't know if I would jump to that conclusion (that he doesn't feel worthy of being with anyone who's good to him, like from the "I don't want to be a member of any club who would have ME as a member " school of thought). I would look at his sun, or 10th house. I think those areas would reveal alot about how you feel about your name.


I would be more concerned that he could be a homosexual in denial, or "in the closet", as they say. His male (ego expression) energy is in denial.

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LeylaLeFay
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posted January 03, 2006 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeylaLeFay     Edit/Delete Message
I don't know how being a homosexual would necessarily mean you have an ego problem. Didn't work that way for Alexander the Great.

As I said previously, I know from a girl who used to date him that she treated him like crap. For example, she would show up very late to their date, so that they only caught the last 20 minutes of the concert, then ditch him there and go to IHOP with someone else.

And yet he kept chasing after her.

I know of another girl who was very interested in him, she was sweet and paid him attention, so he pulled her aside and gave her the "Lets just be friends" speech.

He hasn't mentioned our date again, as if just he forgot about it. I tried to figure out where I went wrong, and going over our conversation I realized I had accidentally given him a compliment. (thwaps self on forehead)

You just can't be nice to this kind of man! I'm beginning to think he may not be worth it.

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Lialei
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posted January 04, 2006 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei     Edit/Delete Message

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Lialei
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posted January 05, 2006 12:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei     Edit/Delete Message
"I fear he will say there's "no chemistry" because I am not abusive enough for his tastes."

???

did I really read that?

...feeling queasy.

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LeylaLeFay
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posted January 06, 2006 04:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeylaLeFay     Edit/Delete Message
I hear men say all the time that girls only date @$$holes. But how man men have exactly the same problem?

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Lialei
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posted January 07, 2006 02:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, that's true. It's a f*cked up mess of a world. And if you play the game it will be returned to you likewise.

Leyla, I sense this is truly causing you anguish, so I wouldn't feel right casting judgment on you just now harshly.
I only hope you see this experience as not just a mere happening and dismiss it, but instead welcome it as a momentous possible awakening and profound Transformation that it could possibly be for you.

Love is a natural phenomenon. True Love is.
It isn't something that can ever be forced, calculated, manipulated or shopped for by astrological sign or hair color like at a friggin grocery store.

People who are so proud of their talents at manipulation are not impressive in any way. To me, they're in delusional denial that all they are doing is paving a life of emptiness for themselves, completely devoid of ever experiencing true intimacy and the more ecstasy-heightening realms of Love( you won't ever get what you don't give)

...just as the ones who allow themselves to be controlled and manipulated by adjusting their own truth for the pleasing of someone else's warped perceptions will be.

Threads such as "Who plays the hardest to get?" should really be titled "Who is the most stone-cold, manipulative b*tch?". If you're going puff yourself up about a title, at least be honest about what you truly are.

Pardon my Sagittarian bluntness, but I'm just totally fed up the whole quagmire of bullsh*t I see and have little patience left these days. And not much compassion left in my generous heart left to give to the good-hearted people I see fall again and again for b*tches and a**holes and then turn around and act completely dismayed by what becomes of it. Do they realize they are feeding into the heartless demented machine and empowering it by succumbing?

Were you really that disturbed by his handwriting? Is it that simple? Or was it really your own inner voice warning you of the impending danger? Only destruction could come of it...inside you knew this. Trust your own intuitions and feelings. They're there for a reason. They'll take you just were you need to be if you allow it...if you really listen.


At any given moment you can step outside of the twisted machine and truly Shine. There is nothing holding you in it's grinds. There never was.



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LeylaLeFay
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posted January 07, 2006 03:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeylaLeFay     Edit/Delete Message
Well, you have come off rather preachy and sermonizing.

No man ever fell in love with a woman because she played hard to get. All that does is grab his attention and hold it for long enough for him to learn who she really is on a deeper level. After that it's up to nature.

It seems to me the women who "lead lives of emptiness devoid of true intimacy and love" are the same ones who least deserve it; the good women who truely gave their all worked hard to please their man only to see him walk out the door.

And the woman he leaves her for doesn't love him, and won't treat him half as good as she did. And worst of all, he knows it!

It seems we live in a sick world where love only goes one way. You can either be the giver or the reciever but never both at the same time.

Just look at the number of S/M web pages and you'll see how many people (men especially) desperatly long to be treated like garbage.

I only know I'm not willing to be this mans abuser. No matter how bad he might want me to be. I just can't.

I'll be "elusive" but that's as far as I can take this.

He is better off with a good woman who does really care about him, and who's only playing hard-to-get because that's what he likes.

Because if I were to dump him he'd only seek out a real "cold hearted manipulative b*tch " who honestly doesn't care if he lives or dies. She won't be pretending!

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lotusheartone
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posted January 07, 2006 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
Let's all take a moment to get off
that twisted machine..

"SHINE"

it's no fun to start a day with harsh judgements..

wishing all a Wonderful Saturn Day!

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Lialei
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posted January 07, 2006 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei     Edit/Delete Message
well if I came off preachy and sermonizing, I didn't mean to.
I feel the same frustration that you do. Obviously very much so.

My reply here isn't exactly as if I was just reading this thread alone, without having read so many of your posts concerning this in the past and the advice you have given the downhearted. What I meant about feeling compassion about your anguish and not judging you too harshly is because it would normally be tempting for most people to feel a bit of satisfaction in seeing 'what comes around goes around'. But...I did sense you were really upset, so I couldn't do that. I WAS softer to you for that. (hard to imagine, but I was.) Normally my approach is much more diplomatic and empathetic...the art of saying something in a way where no one gets offended but the point is expressed nonetheless. I'm tired of sugar-coating the ugliness and dancing around in order not to offend anyone. Fiery frustration is what I feel. Fiery frustration is what I expressed.

My observations aren't focused on you, but on the world as a whole. I wasn't even thinking of you when I wrote 'manipulative b*tch'.

But ok...glad to see your words this morning.
Seems you're are already intune and will be ok after all.

But what I don't understand is,why 'play' anything at all? If you're 'hard to get' it's because you simply ARE. Shouldn't it just be natural of you? It just seems so mechanical and orchestrated to be sensing what will please and be adjusting actions to it. Like setting yourself up for a fall.

The heartbreak involved in being an honest and open heart is much greater. The pain will be more. But so will any Love that comes of it. The highest heights and the lowest depths.
You're right. Some men and women love honestly and openly, only to be taken for granted and left too.
It's sad to imagine how much their hearts are broken for it, but they can live on with the strength of knowing they did nothing to be ashamed of. They did no wrong. They were real and true and honest. True to themselves. The pain of ashamement involved in bending to please, only to be left anyway is much worse, isn't it? You have to then live with the realization that you allowed yourself to be something you weren't for your desires...or for someone else's desires.

I don't see myself as better than anyone else. I've been through all the different shades of this, from all the different angles, like anyone else. This time is a breakthrough, breaking point time in my life is all. I know I would be much happier, freer with myself, whether alone or not, if I am true to myself. I'll accept that whatever comes from that as what is meant to be. True from my Heart and Soul.
This is coming from the most heartbreaking period of my life. I feel as if finally I can see clearer and free myself. I'm hoping to anyway. It's been a painful process. Purging...forcing myself to stare face-on my own Shadow. I've had to look hard at myself and not deny the parts I have also played. We all have at one time or another. It's human. No sense in condemning ourselves eternally for it.

But also...isn't there also a time when we can't go on anymore in denial? To keep living the same pattern over and over again, and not learn from it? Like a hamster on it's wheel, going nowhere but round and round again.

Truly, only the most heartfelt wishes for your happiness. Even if it seems not that way. I'm only trying to keep having faith in this world and the goodness and purity of Heart that may still exist deep within it, that sometimes is so hard to see and keep believing in. Sometimes, honestly it feels hopeless.


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posted January 07, 2006 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeylaLeFay     Edit/Delete Message
I identified when you talked about being a hampster in a wheel, going round and round again, living the same pattern over and over again.

As I was about to explain, I've tried "just being myself" all my life and it hasn't worked. No matter what stage I was in life, or in my "inner psychological journey," no matter how different the circumstances, no matter how different the man, I found all my relationships ending exactly the same way- with him taking me for granted.

The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over expecting to get a different result.

At this point, I'm ready to try something (anything) in hopes of changing the pattern. Even if it doesn't work as expected, any break in the pattern will be a success.

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posted January 08, 2006 01:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei     Edit/Delete Message
I believe I understand, Leyla.
That breaking point where you feel you must do something, anything, to break yourself free?

You know, not anyone else.

My Passion and Rage are only because I care.
I'm tired of seeing good people getting hurt. Nothing is ever harmless in matters of the heart.

Surely your loving heart will be rewarded in time.

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posted February 09, 2006 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pchan33     Edit/Delete Message
There's a great book called something like "change your handwriting, change your life". I can't remember the exact title, but I will find out and post it. The book had great lots of great info. I remember reading that if a person's handwriting LEANS to the left, they live in the past, they are stuck there. And that if a person's handwriting is very small, they might be trying to hide something. A person with big handwriting may have a fear of being "unheard" and they tend to interupt people (this is true of me).
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The people that date a-holes like the uncertainty (passion is created by hope and doubt!) that abounds in such a one-sided relationship. It drives a person nuts to constantly wonder "will he call me today?", and on those rare occasions when he actually DOES call, you get so much excitement out of it. I know because I used to date a-holes too. That's my 2 cents

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posted February 10, 2006 01:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
OMG!!!!

I just read this, but I haven't finished reading the entire string, so sorry if I'm interrupting a conversation...pardon me! All my life I never analysed a signature, only handwriting. A signature probably would say a lot more...
And you know what?? I put 2 lines through my signature...Ohmy!!
Confidence & self worth has been an issue off and on in my life, (I've never been depressed or suicidal, I just never thought of myself as someone worthy of certain 'things'...)

How scary this was to read, because it makes so much sense. I'm going to change it right away!


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posted February 12, 2006 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message

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"There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll

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posted February 19, 2006 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philbird     Edit/Delete Message
LaleLafay...
"As I was about to explain, I've tried "just being myself" all my life and it hasn't worked. No matter what stage I was in life, or in my "inner psychological journey," no matter how different the circumstances, no matter how different the man, I found all my relationships ending exactly the same way- with him taking me for granted."
Are you really being yourself or are you being your ego? Your soul knows.
By the way, are there any letters in his name that may need to be crossed and he doesn't do it till the end? Annnnd, I'm glad I'm typing!

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posted February 21, 2006 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pchan33     Edit/Delete Message
philbird, regarding being taken for granted:

when we see things too often, we forget how special they are. I used to be taken for granted to until I learned to make myself less available.

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posted February 22, 2006 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message

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"There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll

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