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Ceridwen
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posted June 29, 2014 06:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a question, pertainig some cards in Lenormand for love-related questions.
Most cards speak to me vividly, but I am VERY uncertain when it comes to

- Fish
- Bear

and sometimes am not so sure about
- Fox


How do you interprete these when they come up in a feeling-position for example?

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jollyaries
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posted June 29, 2014 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jollyaries     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One of the keywords Iím using for the Fish is abundance, so for me it suggests an abundance of feelings, deep and rich emotions.

When the Bear shows up, it means the personís feelings are strong and powerful. S/he feels the need to protect and nurture you. However, if the surrounding cards are negative, these positive feelings could easily turn into being overprotective, domineering and envious.

The Fox is rarely positive, so if it comes up in a spread for a feeling position, this means there is definitely something wrong and sneaky going on with the person it represents. There could be deceitful feelings. S/he may act like s/he has feelings but in reality the person is being dishonest about his/her feelings and is only thinking of taking advantage of the querent.

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posted June 29, 2014 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, that makes much sense to me. Intuitively I have interpreted them like this as well. But it isalways good to hear other people`s input.

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posted June 29, 2014 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can I add one ?

I had a thought on the whip card

Usually it means arguments, strife but I was wondering since the whip is repetative motion could it mean a repeat of something ?

Like if you ask about week ahead and get the ship and whip and tower.

This could mean possibly

Getting another Speeding ticket ( if you are one prone to speed )
Or
Have to take car back to repair shop for some reason.

I was just wondering as whip could be repeat of something dependent on cards surrounding.

Also, the stork could be a return, repeat as the stork always returns to where it came from. ( according to malkiel)

But Rana George says the ring is the repeat/ return card as it is circular it loops back.

Thoughts ?

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posted June 29, 2014 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jollyaries     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Youíre welcome, Ceridwen!

Itís been a month and a half since I started studying LeNormand, and during this time Iíve had the chance to read Iris Treppnerís course, Andy Boroveshengraís e-book and Rana Georgeís book on LeNormand, yet still Iím having difficulty in adapting the meanings of some cards to other contexts and make out meanings for some combinations.

I guess this will only improve with more practice, hence the reason Iím here.

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posted June 29, 2014 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for St@r2013     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To me a whip is something to do with legal matter. I work in the legal field and get the whip often in the daily spreads but there's no arguments as such so I see it as legal environment (which is based on arguing )

Haven't had much dealing with the stork actually but I got it in my weekly spread so I'll see how it'll fit in.

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posted June 29, 2014 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jollyaries     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vesta,

For Ship-Whip-Tower combination, whatís here suggesting a speeding ticket? Yes, the Whip can be taken as punishment, but for this combination to suggest a speeding ticket Iíd want to see the Letter which can mean a piece of paper. I think Rider-Letter-Whip combination looks more appropriate to indicate a speeding ticket. The Rider=a fast car and the Letter-Whip=punishment paper.

Do you take the Ship as car?

As for the Stork representing a return to home, yes it makes sense. Storks always return to their nests.

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posted June 29, 2014 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jollyaries     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Star2013,

I donít think the Whip can directly represent legal matters, however the cardís meanings; quarrels, tension, dissention between people could very well lead to separation or long standing disagreements which could only be solved in courts of law, so itís very natural to show up frequently in your spreads as you have to deal with those people in your every day life to be a solution to their problems.

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posted June 29, 2014 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for St@r2013     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jollyaries:
Star2013,

I donít think the Whip can directly represent legal matters, however the cardís meanings; quarrels, tension, dissention between people could very well lead to separation or long standing disagreements which could only be solved in courts of law, so itís very natural to show up frequently in your spreads as you have to deal with those people in your every day life to be a solution to their problems.


I think you misunderstood me. I didn't say that the whip represents legal matters as a whole but for me it represents legal environment.

This is based on daily spreads I've done for myself and came to the conclusion.

Each lenormand card can have a few meanings that's why the more you practice the more associations you can make for yourself. I was reading one blog where the author said the snake for her represents her mother, for me the snake represented my boss...

So yeah, we all make different associations and for me it's only fitting that the whip represents legal environment because that's the environment I'm in daily... If I was a doctor the scythe would probably appear often etc....

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posted June 29, 2014 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jollyaries:
Vesta,

For Ship-Whip-Tower combination, whatís here suggesting a speeding ticket? Yes, the Whip can be taken as punishment, but for this combination to suggest a speeding ticket Iíd want to see the Letter which can mean a piece of paper. I think Rider-Letter-Whip combination looks more appropriate to indicate a speeding ticket. The Rider=a fast car and the Letter-Whip=punishment paper.

Do you take the Ship as car?

As for the Stork representing a return to home, yes it makes sense. Storks always return to their nests.


I thought rider was car as well and the ship as airplane or boat. but I remembered something Rana wrote in her book referring to the ship as car maybe because they were going on a journey to the mall and the ship represented the travel.

Dangerous travel and she knew she was going to the mall in the car not on an airplane or a boat.

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posted June 29, 2014 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jollyaries     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Star2013,

Oh, okay. English is not my first language, so sometimes that can happen.

Vesta,

Yeah, I remember reading that in Ranaís book. But to me using the Rider as a car seems more logical as the card depicts a journey on land, so all transportation vehicles that can only operate on land are represented by the Rider.

The Ship, on the other hand, travels large distances on water. It has the ability to cross oceans making it possible to go from one continent to the other, and only ships and airplanes can provide this.

Lol, in the future, when flying cars take over the role of daily transportation I donít know which card can represent that mode of transportation. Maybe, The Rider-the Birds combination?

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posted June 29, 2014 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jollyaries     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vesta,

Iíve just looked at Ranaís book, but couldnít find that combination. Do you remember what exactly it was?

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posted June 29, 2014 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol, in the future, when flying cars take over the role of daily transportation I donít know which card can represent that mode of transportation. Maybe, The Rider-the Birds combination?

Lol flying cars !

I will look and see if I can find the combo again in the book.

In looking through her book under the ship
She says that the ship is your vehicle, your car or any other vehicle.

She lists it under the category of objects for the ship

She lists the rider as news coming in and going out.

Such as mail man bring letters
Someone new coming into life
A far as objects it is bike, motorcycle, horse

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posted June 29, 2014 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jollyaries     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Itís strange and not logical that while she lists vehicles with wheels such as bicycle and motorcycle under the Rider, she lists the car, which is another vehicle with wheels, under the Ship.

Hmm, I remember she does this distinction because cars and ships have engines, but motorcycles have engines too. I donít think sheís correct on this.

Yes, on page 50, she says the Ship is the only card in the deck that represents a vehicle with an engine or motor. But what about the motorcycle? Sheís contradicting herself here.

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posted June 30, 2014 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Depending on the surrounding cards I have seen the Whip coming up as sexual attraction or teasing, too. More the provocative kind though.

But usually it was accompanied by the heart, flowers or similiar cards.

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posted June 30, 2014 04:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by vesta:
Can I add one ?

I had a thought on the whip card

Usually it means arguments, strife but I was wondering since the whip is repetative motion could it mean a repeat of something ?

Like if you ask about week ahead and get the ship and whip and tower.

This could mean possibly

Getting another Speeding ticket ( if you are one prone to speed )
Or
Have to take car back to repair shop for some reason.

I was just wondering as whip could be repeat of something dependent on cards surrounding.

Also, the stork could be a return, repeat as the stork always returns to where it came from. ( according to malkiel)

But Rana George says the ring is the repeat/ return card as it is circular it loops back.

Thoughts ?


Whip is a slang term for a car. I haven't heard used in a while but I remembered that as soon as I read this.

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posted June 30, 2014 06:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Depending on the surrounding cards I have seen the Whip coming up as sexual attraction or teasing, too. More the provocative kind though.

But usually it was accompanied by the heart, flowers or similiar cards.


That explains it !


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jollyaries
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posted June 30, 2014 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jollyaries     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Iíve read somewhere that the Lilies-Whip combination means kinky sex. When itís the reverse, the Whip-Lilies, it could suggest that there is sexual tension in the air or a quarrel about sex.

Star2013,

In Andy Bohoveshengraís e-book, he says, ďThe Rod is derived from the ancient Roman fasces. For this reason it also stands for legal documents, writing, official debates, trials, trade unions, and summonses. With the Letter it can be a summons or service of notice.Ē, so your own conclusion about the Whip representing a legal environment for you is definitely on point!

I donít know how I missed this.

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