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desert-rain
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posted December 12, 2003 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for desert-rain     Edit/Delete Message
why does santa lexigram into satan?

any thoughts?

this has perplexed me for a while.

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dafremen
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posted December 12, 2003 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dafremen     Edit/Delete Message
The funny thing, is that I was JUST mentioning that to my children. The beast, among other things is this consumer economy. The notion that money, materialistic values (there's an oxymoron), and consumption can bring us happiness.

In the Lexigrams section of LL, there was a Lexigram called THE HOLIDAY OF CHRISTMAS.

The two new lexigrams that came to me were CHRISTMAS = C MITHRAS? S. (See Mithras? Yes.) and

THE HOLIDAY OF CHRISTMAS = THE HOLY SIDE OF MITHRAS' CHART

Hmmm...

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Randall
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posted December 13, 2003 01:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Linda fully excplains this in Star Notes. Not sure where. You'll have to sleuth it out yourself.
www.star-notes.com

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Aselzion
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posted December 13, 2003 02:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message
Greetings...

I have pondered that same Lexigram, and here are my thoughts, sublime and ridiculous...

SANTA = SATAN

1) They both are pictured wearing red suits.

2) I think they both tend to detract from the actual Spirit of Christmas. When love should be forgiving and unconditional, SANTA only brings gifts to the "good little girls and boys". (pretty CONDITIONAL, eh?)

3) Who benefits from the MERCHANDISING and MATERIALIZING of Christmas... it detracts from the spiritual aspects and takes it right down to the money game?!

4) Wouldn't SATAN be thrilled with himself (I won't capitalize any letters for him) if he got the whole world thinking about SANTA rather than Christ?

That's about what I think of this Lexigram.

That being said, I tend not to believe in Satan either. But... there are people out there that DO, and they add power and generate thoughtforms that create that reality! Then there are Satanists that actually ritually sacrifice living things and entities in his honor... horrors!

What do you think?

In the Light...
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"Aum bhoor buvah svaha
Tat savitur varenyam
Bhargo devasaya dheemahi
Dhiyo yo naha prachodayat." ****Gayatri Mantra****

"We meditate on the glory of the Creator
Who has created the Universe;
Who is worthy of worship;
Who is the embodiment of Knowledge and Light;
Who is the remover of Sin and Ignorance;
May He enlighten our intellect."

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Ra
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posted December 13, 2003 04:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
Hmmm ... I am not sure ... but that makes a great deal of sense! There is a definate polarity/duality at work within this symbol which we call Santa.

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FishKitten
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posted December 13, 2003 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FishKitten     Edit/Delete Message
Symbolism aside, didn't the word Santa evolve from the word Saint (as in Saint Nicholas)? Like Santa Lucia?

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trillian
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posted December 13, 2003 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
FishKitten, I seem to recall reading that somewhere, too. But since I can't site a source, it's only an echo of a memory.

However, if that is indeed so, then doesn't it negate any Lexigram? For didn't Linda say that English is the only language in which Lexigrams work well? Though one could also note that Santa has been adopted by and adapted to the English Language. Just a little spiraling...

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FishKitten
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posted December 13, 2003 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FishKitten     Edit/Delete Message
Im not sure, but I wonder what the word for satan is in Italian. It could be a lexi as well.

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oldephebe
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posted December 13, 2003 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oldephebe     Edit/Delete Message
's probably just the unhappy conjunction of similar latinate derivations/etymology and the alphabet of the english language..let's not give the Dark anymore attention than we already do by obsessing or expending our precious energies on coincidenses of constructs and such..i figured out the whole santa fallacy by the time i was 4 or 5..i just patiently listened to the adults babble and gush and told them what they needed to hear..but in my 4 or 5 year old heart i knew it was all an improbable hoax..

What will we choose to shape our beings out of? What constitutes what is worthy of contemplation? Is that flower embedded in thorns worth the fleeting sensory experience?
Well..if I had real wisdom..I'd probably be ministering to flesh and blood and feeling instead of these cursory expeditions into the eclectic and ecclesiastical..but still..I think it's really wise to watch what we lift up before us..what we focus our faculties upon..the Dark, the enemy of humanity and light gets way too much attention these days..just a thought...

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dafremen
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posted December 13, 2003 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dafremen     Edit/Delete Message
When darkness attempts to masquerade itself as light, it is often prudent to shine one's own light in it's direction so as to bring to the attention of all, the true darkness behind the lie. The connection between Christmas, Santa(not from Italian, but from the Dutch "Sancteclaus" or "Santeclaus") and corporate greed, the consumer economy and the diversion of the American consumer away from the "religious" significance of this day are well established historical facts.

"At the beginning of the 1930s, the burgeoning Coca-Cola company was still looking for ways to increase sales of their product during winter, then a slow time of year for the soft drink market. They turned to a talented commercial illustrator named Haddon Sundblom, who created a series of memorable drawings that associated the figure of a larger than life, red-and-white garbed Santa Claus with Coca-Cola. Coke's annual advertisements featuring Sundblom-drawn Santas holding bottles of Coca-Cola, drinking Coca-Cola, receiving Coca-Cola as gifts, and especially enjoying Coca-Cola became a perennial Christmastime feature which helped spur Coca-Cola sales throughout the winter (and produced the bonus effect of appealing quite strongly to children, an important segment of the soft drink market). The success of this advertising campaign has helped fuel the legend that Coca-Cola actually invented the image of the modern Santa Claus, decking him out in a red-and-white suit to promote the company colors or that at the very least, Coca-Cola chose to promote the red-and-white version of Santa Claus over a variety of competing Santa figures in order to establish it as the accepted image of Santa Claus.

The Santa image may have been standardized before Coca-Cola adopted it for their advertisements, but Coca-Cola had a great deal to do with establishing Santa Claus as a ubiquitous Christmas figure in America at a time when the holiday was still making the transition from a religious observance to a largely secular and highly commercial celebration. In an era before color television (or commercial television of any kind), color films, and the widespread use of color in newspapers, it was Coca-Cola's magazine advertisements, billboards, and point-of-sale store displays that exposed nearly everyone in America to the modern Santa Claus image."

by Barbara and David P. Mikkelson

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scorpioncrystal
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posted December 14, 2003 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for scorpioncrystal     Edit/Delete Message
They are both Un-real! We have made up these beings - to control the behaviors of others.

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FishKitten
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posted December 14, 2003 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FishKitten     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, I totally agree that Christmas is in late December to give a nod to the pagan ritual of the return of the sun. I haven't thought it was the birthday of Jesus for many years. And I agree that it has been turned into a huge mass marketing money maker. Still, I love holidays. I live in such a small, isolated place that the whole shopping thing is not really involved. There is well over two feet of snow on the ground and the nearest mall is over an hour away. My family gets together, eats large amounts of food, laughs all day, walks through the snow to neighbor's houses where more laughing happens. Hard to dislike that kind of thing. I do feel sorry for people who feel obliged to spend everything they have (and more). I know a lot of people are depressed at this time of year. I feel blessed to have no stress, happy times.

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dafremen
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posted December 14, 2003 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dafremen     Edit/Delete Message
SANTA CLAUS =

SAUL'S AN ACT
(Paul and Saul are the same person. (Acts 13:9) He claimed to have been converted by the Holy Spirit, but the disciples of Jesus didn't believe him. (Acts 9:26))

SATAN LUCAS
(Lucas is the latin name for LUKE, PAUL's close friend and writer of Acts. He is the only source we have for Paul's supposed conversion from notorious hater of Christians, to missionary. Lucas is supiciously close to LUCIFER.)

A ASSN A CULT
(Paul was originally from Tarsus, Turkey, where the cult of Mithras was in full swing. His association with Luke(A Greek doctor and Hellenist Gentile) and John Mark (aka Mark, one of Paul's students) formed the basis for most of the New Testament and for the foundations of the early Roman Catholic Church.)

And I almost didn't put this one, because it's pretty offensive..but:

ACTS ANAL US
(I believe it's pretty self explanatory.)

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desert-rain
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posted December 16, 2003 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for desert-rain     Edit/Delete Message
thanks everyone....lots of insight. i'm going to sleuth out those newsletters. thanks randall!

i know linda thought it important that children believe in santa...teaches them the power of faith, or something like that...

i'll ponder this some more....with an eye always toward the light, dear oldephebe, always toward the light.

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trillian
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posted December 16, 2003 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
Oh yes, always toward the light, but...it's never a waste of time to ponder the mysteries of the universe. The universe is God/dess, and offers us both light and dark, both of which need to exist.

They didn't find anything all that scary on the dark side of the moon...but they had to look there to see.

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sesame
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posted December 17, 2003 02:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sesame     Edit/Delete Message
I always believe the ends justify the means, but its hard to think that Santa was the creation of coke and consumerism. I always think of him as the icon of bringing families together to have fun and share things. It's like would any of you cancel the Sanat loop? I.e. Dafreman, I read before you mentioned you had children, do you teach them that Santa exists? Likewise, do any of you teach that Satan exists? Regardless of what lessons we learn through life, I think we always remember the first ones, whether we learn that they don't suit us later or not is a different story. I don't think I will perpetuate the myth that Santa (or Satan) exists, but that they are both merely the spirits of things. Santa is the spirit of Christmas as Satan is the spirit of evil. They are rather similar, but both, I agree, are the manifestations of people.

But that's just me,
Dean.

Love you all!

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dafremen
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posted December 17, 2003 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dafremen     Edit/Delete Message
My children have known of the existence of the evil one long before I did. My daughter has been seeing spirits and apparitions since she was very little. She had seen what sounds very much like the dark one prowling around outside our house until about 4 months ago when I quit smoking marijuana and straightened myself out with the Lord. She would tell me about it, but I shrugged it off, until about 3 months ago, when I had a friend over. He was standing in front of me, when the hair on his arms literally stood up and he said that we had to leave the room. I asked him what it was, and he told me that he saw something in a long black coat hovering behind me when I spoke the name of the evil one while trying to explain to him how that one did things. This description matched almost exactly the description that my daughter had given. My son has dreamt about the same figure. It is a figure in a long black coat with a dark face and glowing eyes. Since being introduced to John, the appearances have stopped.

It has been said before that the greatest trick that Satan ever pulled off, and his greatest ally, was getting us to believe that he doesn't exist.

I believe that to be true. Oh, and no, I don't talk about him with my children, not ever. They need to sleep at night too, and they have their memories to remind them that he exists.

daf

P.S. As for Santa, he is, like others that wear costumes, have red cheeks and put on an act, simply a clown that appears around this time of year. (Cept he doesn't juggle.)

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oldephebe
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posted December 17, 2003 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oldephebe     Edit/Delete Message
yeah deser-rain..i gotta stay in the light the other choice would be to contemplate and even act out of the darkness of my own thoughts/heart..

Daf - Dude..man I have no words after what you've shared. Only to say that you are a powerful guy.

S - I got a lot out of what you shared man. Thanx.

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