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beebuddy
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posted November 25, 2005 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for beebuddy     Edit/Delete Message
The word is meaningless because it violates the law of contradiction (something cannot be both "A" and "not A" at the same time.

Everything that exists is natural, so there is nothing that exists that is beyond natural.

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fayte.m
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posted November 25, 2005 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Ah yes! The English language is rife with ambiguities! Redundanceies and Confusion.
Present=I am here
Present=a gift
Present=to show
Present=the now moment
Crazy language!

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TINK
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posted November 25, 2005 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
It's absolutely beautiful, isn't it? Perfect meanings for one word to share.

Thanks, fayte!

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Gemini Nymph
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posted November 25, 2005 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini Nymph     Edit/Delete Message
Language and logic are human tools to help us make sense of our experience of reality - reality isn't constructed by our language and logic, so if either language or logic falls short or results in asburdities, should this surprise us?

Furthermore, the law of non-contradiction is pure logic, and as many philosophers have pointed out, logic is a faulty and very limited tool when understanding reality. In fact, some, like Wittgenstein, said that logic cannot be applied to reality - only our thougths about reality can be logical or not. Language of course is often logical - for the sake of our peace of mind rather than to illuminate us intot henature of things - and that creates inherent division between langaue and what language is intended to represent.

The problem is we often encounter things in reality that are very far outside our logic and language, and there we run into problems where our language become more an obstacle to understanding thana tool. When we try to give logical names to matters that we cannot fully understand within our thoughts, how are we going to be able toname those things logically? We can't - we try, and always fail.

Remember that language is signs of things, and not the things themselves. Signs point to a thing, not they do no necessarily reveal their essence, nature or truth. People often expect language to do this, but it;s not what language does (just one of the many ways humans decieve themselves). The logic behind words serves more to help us order our thougts than to actually understand the nature of things. Think about that: if words revealed the nature of things, they'd overwhelm our minds with such vast knowledge we could not think! Understanding is something we do once we recognize the limtation of our logic and language and step beyond them.

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sesame
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posted December 01, 2005 06:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sesame     Edit/Delete Message
Far out Gemini Nymph, you totally made me spiral there. First of all, the Inidgo Children are completely illogical about language. Did you know they can all speak the same language from arround the world? They just know it. This has been a thread before, but just recently a show on SBS (http://www20.sbs.com.au/speakingintongues/ ) here had an Indigo Child on and she spoke for a couple of minutes, and they asked people to email in if they understood it and what it meant. Well, unfortunately, I didn't catch that episode (SunChild, are you out there? Did you see it or any other fellow Aussies?). So, anyway, I emailed them and asked if anyone replied.

The other thing is how we think through language. I wonder how Indigo people think? Or if you knew heaps of languages, do they all sworl around?

Then there's Numerology - totally illogical usage of the English language, but only works in that language! And as you said, how do we explain supernatural themes or even emotions? It just proves it's a pretty crude way of communicating - like, "Grrhuh" (Pass he salt) "Greeheh" Get it your elf. I mean, we still have to listen to understand each other and even then we have major problems with communication. Lastly, I've noticed too with the Classification of Living things, back when I studied Bio. I just thought "How pointless is that?" I mean, sure there's a point in classifying things, but there are millions of species to millions of genera and so on. It just seems so pointless, and ludicrous to think we would try to classify that! And then there are some people who spend YEARS studying one species, measuring the sworls, movements, you name it. How can people do that? Even in something like Physics I feel like there's an infinite ammount of work, but Biology takes it too extremes.

Anhow, thanks for letting me get all that of my chest

Dean.

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SunChild
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posted December 01, 2005 06:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Dean...that's with John Safran isn't it? I think I taped that, have been meaning to watch it..thanks for reminding me! I'll get back to you.

I'm very interested in the Indigo, Rainbow & Crystal Children...I've been reading up on it quite a bit lately. Have you heard of books by Doreen Virtue? She goes into great depth on how their minds work...very curious stuff! I've been attracted to learning more about this for some time...for some reason.

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sesame
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posted December 05, 2005 06:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sesame     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah! Here's the reply to my email:

"Hi John and Father Bob,

I was unforunately unable to catch this weeks show and was really
interested in the question as to whether anyone deciphered what
Solreta Antaria said (the Indigo Child). Could you please tell me how
many people replied, and how many got it right? It just fascinates me
that their could be a language that people from all over the world
know inherently.

Thanks for your time, and keep up the great show,
Dean.



Serpil Senelmis
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From: Serpil Senelmis
To: Dean
Date: Dec 2, 2005 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: Indigo Children

Hi Dean,

Hundreds of people replied, although most were tongue-in-cheek.

Of the serious emails 85% got the answer almost verbatim.

Cheers
Serpil.


Serpil Şenelmiş
(Pron: sair-Pill shah-Nell-mish)
Researcher
Speaking In Tongues with John Safran"

Cool stuff! It's on now, so I'll catchya lata!

Dean.

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fayte.m
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posted February 19, 2006 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
I can relate to that

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