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sugarlightning
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posted February 19, 2007 04:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jinns (there are different spellings) - Are they a Reality? Or Fantasy?
- If you have anything to share/say regarding this I'm all ears, I mean EYES! *chuckles*

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ANGELS, MEN, AND JINNS

The first category is of course that of the ANGELS or Messengers
(Greek: ANGELOS; Hebrew: MALACH; Arabic: MALAK). These are high
beings created of LIGHT.

The second category, however, and the one with which we are here
concerned, is the category of those beings (CREATED BEFORE MAN WAS)
who are referred to collectively in Arabic as AL-JINN *1*. Although
there is some dispute about it among Arab grammarians, most of their
lexicologists seem to hold that the word derives - as Arabic words
almost invariably do - from a verb-root, namely JANNA, "TO HIDE OR
TO CONCEAL" - indeed a very fitting derivation for the name of these
creatures.

The third category are MEN, with bodies created according to the
QUR'AN, of CLAY, or, in other words, this being poetic language,
they have physical bodies assembled from the mineral and chemical
elements of our PERIODIC TABLE - the "PLANETARY BODY", as Gurdjieff
used to call it.

Whereas the bodies of Angels are of light and the bodies of men are
of the gross elements of the Earth, the bodies of AL-JINN consist

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of what is variously translated as "ESSENTIAL FIRE" *2*, or
"ESSENTIAL FLAME", or "SMOKELESS FIRE" *3*, or "SMOKELESS FLAME",
and it is specifically stated in the QUR'AN (Surah XV, 26 and 27)
THAT THEY WERE CREATED BEFORE MANKIND WAS. (Some scholars have
speculated that these might be the "PRE-ADAMIC MEN" whose existence
is hinted at here and there in the "Holy Bible.")

There has been much debate among modern students of Arabic as to
precisely what these terms "MIN NARI AL-SAMUMI" *2* and "MIN MARIJIN
MIN NARIN" *3* can conceivably mean in modern parlance, and some
scholars have concluded that, in using these terms, the Prophet
Muhammad (the Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him) was there
attempting to describe what Western occultists have tried to
describe by such terms as ETHER, or maybe the so-called ETHERIC OR
ASTRAL PLANES. (I have also seen it suggested that some sort of
PLASMA is indicated.)

(Needless to say, such concepts as ETHERIC PLANE and ASTRAL PLANE
have no meaning for modern Science and, so far as I know, apart from
Dirac, the physicists have abandoned their speculations regarding
the existence of an ether.)

THE SOURCE OF THE JINNS

Wherever it is that the JINNS are thought of as being normally
located, it seems highly likely that the source of many of them, at
any rate, is not very distant from us, and some Muslim scholars who
have become aware of the current Western research into the so-called
"UFO Phenomenon" and have reflected awhile upon it have concluded -
and I think correctly - that maybe the best way we can start to
visualize these matters is by thinking of the JINNS AS BEING VERY
CLOSE INDEED TO US AND AND YET AT THE SAME TIME SOMEHOW VERY FAR
FROM US. IN OTHER WORDS, ON SOME OTHER DIMENSION, OR IN SOME OTHER
SPACE/TIME FRAMEWORK, "RIGHT HERE', OR MAYBE IN A WORLD OF ANTI-
MATTER RIGHT HERE, OR OCCUPYING AS IT WERE SOME OTHER UNIVERSE THAT
IS HERE, BEHIND ALICE'S MIRROR: "A MIRROR-UNIVERSE ON THE OTHER SIDE
OF THE SPACE-TIME CONTINUUM" AS IT HAS BEEN NEATLY PUT BY SOME
INVESTIGATORS.


The QUR'AN, however, is not clear on this, and admittedly it looks
as though it is very possible that some of the JINNS could be fully
physical and what we call extraterrestrials, while other species of
them are of an altogether and finer sort of matter, corresponding to
what various UFO investigators have tried to indicate by such terms
as "ULTRATERRESTRIAL" or "METATERRESTRIAL".

In thinking about these ideas, we might bear in mind the theory
of the Russian philosopher P.D. Ouspensky regarding the possible
existence of other, more subtle, levels of matter on which the
elements of the Periodic Table of our own chemical world are
repeated - and, if I understand him aright, repeated more than once,
on more than one level. The early writings of Dr. Meade Layne in
the USA about the "DENSE ETHERIC WORLD" from which he maintained
that the UFO entities and their craft originated should also be
borne in mind. (His book, THE COMING OF THE GUARDIANS, was
published in 1958, and may prove one day to have been very important
indeed.) Certain of the benevolent JINNS may well be our
"Guardians".

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That there is some close affinity, or some link of destiny between
JINNS and Mankind seems certain, for although the vast majority
of the JINNS are DEVILS, SHAYTANS *4*, nevertheless we are assured
in the QUR'AN that some among their many species are "goodies" and
are capable of salvation. For it is specifically stated that
Muhammad was sent as a Messenger to both Mankind and the JINNS, so
that, in the Final Days, some of the JINNS will enter into Paradise,
while the rest of them will be cast down into Hell. Their
revelation to IBLIS *5*, the Top Devil ( = "Satan") is in general
somewhat obscure. In the QUR'AN IBLIS is certainly described as a
JINN, but elsewhere in the QUR'AN he is also described as an ANGEL.
(Surely the explanation is that IBLIS is that same high being,
originally of Angelic status, who rebelled against God and is named
in the Christian texts as "LUCIFER?")

Had we the space, much more might be said about the JINNS and their
doings, but only a brief account of their main characteristics can
here be given. Their principal features, as listed below, are as
I have gathered them from all the Muslim written and traditional
sources that I have been able to consult over the past 15 years.
The reader can see for himself the parallels with the reported
features of UFO entities and can draw his own conclusions. I hope I
do not have to labour the point, space being precious.

THE CHIEF CHARACTERISTICS OF THE JINNS

1. In the normal state they are not visible to ordinary human
sight.

2. They are, however, capable of materializing and appearing
in the physical world. And they can alternately make
themselves visible or invisible at will.

3. They can change shape, and appear in any sort of guise,
large or small. (See for example, Ahmad Jamaludin's
excellent report, A WAVE OF SMALL HUMANOIDS IN MALAYSIA IN
1970, in FSR Vol. 28, No. 5). Ahmad Jamaludin is a Muslim,
and he knows, of course, what it is that we are talking
about.

4. They are able also to appear in the guise of ANIMALS.
(Yetis? Pumas? Loch Ness Monsters?)

5. They are inveterate liars and deceivers, and delight in
bamboozling and misleading mankind with all manner of
nonsense. (See the average Spiritualist SEANCE for examples
of their activities, and also the usual "communications"
from UFO entities in close-encounter cases.)

6. They are addicted to the abduction or kidnapping of humans.
(The Scotsman Robert Kirk, who wrote "THE SECRET
COMMONWEALTH" in 1691, evidently "knew more than was good
for his health", and was killed by them.)

7. They delight in tempting humans into sexual intercourse and
liaisons with them, and Arabic literature abounds with
accounts of this kind of contact by mankind with both the
"goodies" and the "baddies" among the JINNS. There are also
even a considerable number of accounts of encounters between

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the "goodies" and famous Muslim saints. For example, the
book MANAQUIB AL-ARIFIN *6* has a number of very significant
references to contacts between such higher beings, and JALAL
AL-DIN RUMI, Islam's greatest mystical poet, who lived from
1207 to 1273.


(I often wonder which category of JINNUS it was that was encountered
in Brazil by the farmer A.V.B. See my third article on "A.V.B.",
POSTCRIPT TO THE MOST AMAZING CASE OF ALL, in FSR Vol. 11, No. 4,
August 1965.)


IN OFFICIAL ISLAM - AND THIS CANNOT BE OVER-EMPHASIZED - THE
EXISTENCE OF THE JINNS HAS ALWAYS BEEN COMPLETELY ACCEPTED, EVEN
LEGALLY, AND EVEN TO THIS DAY, IN ISLAMIC JURISPRUDENCE. THE FULL
CONSEQUENCES IMPLIED BY THEIR EXISTENCE WERE WORKED OUT LONG AGO.
THEIR LEGAL STATUS, IN ALL RESPECTS, WAS DISCUSSED AND FIXED, AND
THE POSSIBLE RELATIONS BETWEEN THEM AND MANKIND - ESPECIALLY IN
RELATION TO QUESTIONS OF MARRIAGE AND PROPERTY! - WERE SERIOUSLY
EXAMINED BY JURISTS, AS THE GREATEST AND MOST AUTHORITATIVE WESTERN
SOURCE, THE ENCYCLOPAEDIA OF ISLAM, CONFIRMS.

Stories of sexual commerce between JINNS and mankind have been of
perennial interest to Arab readers, and it is important at this
point to mention that in CHINESE literature (and in China the Han
population are not Muslims - only certain of the smaller minority
peoples of the North-West and Far West are) there is also a
considerable tradition of this sort which awaits examination by
Ufologists.

The great Arabic literary catalogue known as the FIHRIST *7*,
compiled in the year 373 of the Muslim Calendar ( = C.E. 995) by
Muhammad bin Ishaq bin Abi Ya'qub al-Nadim al-Warraq al-Baghdadi,
lists no less than sixteen works dealing with this theme. (Compare
also the European occultists' records of sexual contact between men
and female SYLPHS, as well as the copious mediaeval Christian
records relating to INCUBI and SUCCABAE.)

Most Westerners will discount all this talk about the JINNS with
the usual argument that the Arabs "are barbarians anyway". Let me
therefore point out that, in C.E.995, when the FIHRIST was written,
the brilliant civilization of the Arabs was incomparably higher than
anything elsewhere in the world except for China and that Christian
and Western RENAISSANCE owes its origins as much to our contact with
Islam (the Crusades) as to the early percolation of Greek learning
to the West.

As a matter of fact quite a lot of the philosophy and the literature
of the Greeks reached us first, not in Greek at all, but in the
Arabic translations secured from Cordoba and Toledo in Spain in the
10th and 11th centuries, when the Muslims still held most of Spain.

It is only in the last few centuries, and particularly since the
Industrial Revolution and the growth of modern materialistic
Science, that the West has forged ahead. But in 1200 C.E. Muslim
Science was in the lead, particularly in such fields as Medicine,
Mathematics, and Astronomy, and it would be grossly impudent to
assume that our current "superiority" over them has anything
permanent about it.

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8. THE JINNS are wont to snatch up humans and teleport or
transport them, setting them down again - if indeed they
ever do set them down again - miles away from where they
were picked up, and all this is the "twinkling of an eye".
(See my first article on TELEPORTATIONS, about the Spanish
soldier who, on October 25, 1593, was suddenly taken from
Manila in the Philippine Islands across the Pacific to
Mexico City. In FSR Vol. 11, No. 2, 1965).

9. The Arabian tradition asserts that, throughout all known
history, there have been a few particular human beings who,
through some strange favour, have "been in league with the
JINNS" or "had a copact with the JINNS" - to such a degree
that the JINNS have endowed them with what we regard as
"preternatural powers" - ie., PSYCHIC POWERS.

These humans have consequently become known as wonder-workers,
soothsayers, and MAGICIANS. (Either "white magicians" or "black
magicians", depending of course upon what sort of JINNS they were in
league with.)

Here again, compare the European tradition about individuals who
have discovered how to collaborate with the KINGDOM OF THE SYLPHS or
the FAIRIES. For example, there is the case of the "working
partnership", not more than seventy years ago, between a SYLPH and a
highly successful Parisian dealer in rare old books. The SYLPH made
its contribution by acting as the "scout" and finding out where and
in whose possession the rare books were. All the dealer had to do
then was to approach the owners and offer to buy!

10. Along with all these displays of prowess by the JINNS there
goes, finally, a tremendous TELEPATHIC POWER and the ability
(to use an age-old term) to "CAST A GLAMOUR" over their
human victims. Our UFO records are already full of evidence
of this.

How much of what we see happening today, at the highest levels
of international politics, as well as in ordinary human affairs, can
be attributed to this subtle control and interference in our lives
by insidious and unseen forces! Indeed, this is one of the prime
reasons for the parlous state in which man finds himself. Some
recent reports from UFO investigators hint at alien plans to provoke
war here and drive the Gadarene Swine (mankind) over into the abyss.

The present-day Christians, who generally seem to have very little
sense of curiosity, are apparently quite happy to pass their days in
total ignorance of all this. But a careful study of the New
Testament (AND ONLY IN THE ORIGINAL GREEK!) will show clearly that
nothing of what is said above was unknown either to the Teacher and
Healer Jeshu of Nazareth or to his principal followers -particularly
Paul. (Incidentally, Christians may like to know that in Islam the
full name and title of Jeshu of Nazareth is ISSA, SON OF MARY, WORD
OF GOD.)

Long before the rise of Christianity or Islam there were of course
other great Teachers (Messengers) who preceived clearly the
situation in which mankind finds itself. One of these was
Zarathustra (Zoroaster) in the old Iranian civilization of the

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Achaemenidae -about 600 or 700 years B.C.E. The great religious text
left by Zarathustra is the AVESTA, which tells us much about the
Demonic Forces, referred to under the blanket term of AHRIMAN, the
Enemy of Light. Mankind, in this teaching, is seen as a special
creation of ORMAZD, the SUPREME SPIRIT, who is locked in permanent
conflict with AHRIMAN.

THE SOUL OF MAN IS THE OBJECT OF THE WAR, AND MAN HIMSELF IS THE
BATTLEFIELD.

DR. RUDOLPH STEINER

In our days, there has probably been no teacher who saw and
understood all this more clearly that the great Austrian Dr. Rudolf
Steiner (1861-1925), founder of the Anthroposophical Society.

"Clairvoyant" from childhood, Steiner [claims he] saw into the other
worlds and planes and saw deeply into the human heart, and no books
or teachings are so relevant as his are to the crisis of mankind
that is now upon us. His lectures throughout 1917, for example,
show clearly that he foresaw, in their totality, the political,
social, and military results and the police-state tyranny which
would inevitably follow from the Russian Revolution, just as the
"Lady" of the Apparitions at Fatima in the same year also did.

Steiner foresaw what would result in the world as a whole from a
materialistic science run mad: the development of "test-tube" man,
"biological engineering" and other horrors; the deliberate creation
and development of living monsters; and the soul-less, God-less,
dehumanized, computerized, insect-like chromium and plastic slave
world of "1984" that may now be at hand.

According to Steiner, a tremendous and crucial round in the
battle was fought out in the last thirty years of the 19th century
and on the Inner Planes, between the Forces of AHRIMAN (the term he
took over from Zarathustra) and the FORCES OF LIGHT.

These latter are conventionally known to Western (Christian)
tradition as the Cohorts of Michael. Steiner said that the fight
ended in a complete victory for the LIGHT, but that, as a result of
it, a great many of the powerful demonic beings had been actually
cast down upon the planet Earth, with the consequence that their
presence and their influence now impinge more than ever upon the
propects and the destiny of mankind.

STEINER TAUGHT THAT THE COMING YEARS WILL SEE INCREDIBLE UPHEAVALS,
IN THE COURSE OF WHICH THIS GREAT BATTLE WILL BE CARRIED FORWARD, TO
ITS CONCLUSION, INSIDE EVERY HUMAN HEART. See Rudolf Steiner: DER
STURZ DER GEISTER DER FINSTERNIS: (THE OVERTHROW OF THE SPIRITS OF
DARKNESS), Series of Lectures, 1917. (Available only in German.)

The objective of the Forces of Darkness is to take over the stream
of human evolution, to merge with it, and to divert mankind from the
evolutionary development "planned" for it. The end result of this
would be new creatures in which those qualities that represent the
highest that we know would have been eliminated.

Smart-alecky modern man of the Pop Age, the "Trousered Ape" as he
has been called, has of course no use for all this sort of

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"rubbish", and immense numbers of our species have discarded all
belief in the existence of demons, along with any belief in the
Great Power that rules the Universe.

(Sophisticated folk nowadays know that the world was not created by
God, but by Karl Marx. And they know that Lenin and successors are
His Prophets.)

There is a delightful passage in C.S. Lewis's SCREWTAPE LETTERS,
where the Senior Devil, talking to one of his underlings, makes a
profoundly important remark: "OF COURSE, OUR GREATEST TRUMP-CARD IS
THE FACT THAT EVERYBODY *KNOWS* WE DON'T EXIST." (Or words to that
effect.)

Similarly, the vast majority of mankind KNOW that JINNS and UFOs and
UFO entities don't exist. And what a nice advantage that is for the
entities!

But what if HOMO SAP (so-called, self-dubbed) were in for some
big shocks in the near future? What then?

With the recent advance of Science, man has rapidly become aware of
the vastness of the Cosmos and of the probability that there exist
out there innumerable other physical worlds inhabited by intelligent
beings, some of which, for all we know, may be (as we dearly hope)
identical with men, with our tastes and our values, our hopes and
our fears.

It is natural that some among us, surveying the impasse into
which we have got ourselves, might well be tempted to look up to the
stars in the hope that someone wiser than we are might arrive one
day from there and give us all the easy answers.

If there be any truth in the ancient story that the inhabitants
of Magonia, unlike men, do not possess the possibility of developing
immortal souls, and therefore are anxious to acquire such by mating
with us and mingling their life-stream with ours, what moment could
be more propitious to them for achieving their purpose than now?

( This free article was originally posted at:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/ufo/jinns.htm )

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naiad
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posted February 19, 2007 05:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yay Rudolf S.

waldorf education...
biodynamic agriculture...
anthroposophical medicine...

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Eleanore
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posted February 20, 2007 05:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe Jinns are real elemental forces that have taken on human or "super" human characteristics in the same way as faeries, gnomes, mermaids, etc. throughout the course of our storytellings.

However, that is a very over-simplified interpretation of Steiner's understanding and message about our times. Really, it's quite fascinating and worth delving into deeply. I RS.

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posted February 20, 2007 02:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Steiner foresaw what would result in the world as a whole from a
materialistic science run mad: the development of "test-tube" man,
"biological engineering" and other horrors; the deliberate creation
and development of living monsters; and the soul-less, God-less,
dehumanized, computerized, insect-like chromium and plastic slave
world of "1984" that may now be at hand.

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posted February 20, 2007 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Many Jinns live in bottles or lamps.

Mine lives in my toilet.

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posted August 19, 2012 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This actually belongs in Divine Diversities

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posted August 19, 2012 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lei_Kuei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
Many Jinns live in bottles or lamps.

Mine lives in my toilet.


Mahha, Ive trapped 5 in peanut butter Jars, they love the stuff

@Juni Yea, guess I can Magic its booty over there

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