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Ceridwen
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posted January 29, 2012 05:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just stumbled across an article about the true BML, and wanted to share this here.
http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/blackmoon/lilith.html

Another one is this here: http://www.heliastar.com/triplegoddess.html

The following quote matches very closely what Black Moon Lilith seems to depict according to my observation / experience, though I am still researching her (in my own chart she is in Aquarius near the cusp of 3rd house - so of course I am researching, observing, trying to understand her).


"In this regard, Black Moon Lilith can have a strong impact of relationship dynamics. Relationships that involve Lilith energy are initiatory, soul-to-soul meetings that open into a deeper center where personal and impersonal experience merge. Can we trust this energy that is unraveling our edges, tapping into such a deep well? Can we trust ourselves?

The Black Moon point is where we are lured into the mystery. She insists that we feel through, let go, surrender to something essential and transparent in us that is primary, the bedrock beneath the shifting sands, the passion of the soul. It is a corridor into the heart through which we are lured to discover our deepest truth, the longings and yearnings of our souls and thereby leading us to the deeper truth within our heart, the longings and yearnings of our souls.

In Unremembered Country, Susan Griffin beautifully articulates the essence of this core energy:
As I go into the Earth, she pierces my heart. As I penetrate further, she unveils me. When I have reached her center, I am weeping openly. I have known her all my life, yet she reveals stories to me, and these stories are revelations and I am transformed. Each time I go to her I am born like this. Her renewal washes over me endlessly, her wounds caress me; I become aware of all that has come between us, of the noise between us, the blindness, of something sleeping between us. Now my body reaches out to her.

Black Moon symbolizes a central motivating factor that is subtle, unseen but felt. This Lilith taps into an urgent desire of the soul that seeks dramatization in life and will brook no denial. In a time such as ours of potent change, the Black Moon, with its underlying creative life force and spiritual impulse, illumines the inner pathway with the most heart for each seeker of Truth and Love."

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posted January 29, 2012 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MC2012     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 29, 2012 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MC2012     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for this...I was wondering about this yesterday.

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posted January 29, 2012 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lilithpluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Black Lilleth Moon

Interpreting Lilith
"During my years of astrological practice, I have come to use the Dark Moon in all my chart analyses, as a complement to interpretating the Moon. It would never occur to me to neglect this influence. The Dark Moon describes our relationship to the absolute, to sacrifice as such, and shows how we let go. In transit, the Dark Moon indicates some form of castration or frustration, frequently in the areas of desire, a powerlessness of the psyche, or a general inhibition. On the other hand, it shows where we question ourselves, our lives, our jobs, and our beliefs. I feel this is important, since it gives us the opportunity to "let go" of something. The Dark Moon shows where we can let the Whole flow into our selves, without putting an "I" in the way, without putting up a wall in the form of ego. At the same time, it doesn't indicate passivity - on the contrary - it symbolizes the firm will to be open and trusting, to let the Greater World flow through one, relying entirely on the great laws of the universe, on that which we name God. To prepare us for this opening, the Dark Moon creates a necessary void."
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/lilith-dark-moon.html
http://www.angelfire.com/az/zodiacenterprises/LILART.html http://www.astrotherapy.eu/BlackMoon.htm http://www.angelfire.com/az/zodiacenterprises/LILART.html http://www.valkyrieastrology.com/Makeover/asteroids/lilith.html http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2291
http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/blackmoon/lilith.html http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/lilith-dark-moon.html http://www.astrologyalive.com/LilithSPEAKS.html http://www.heliastar.com/triplegoddess.html#blackmoon http://www.sria.org/lilith_demon.htm http://www.horoscope-picks.com/myblog.html

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posted January 29, 2012 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lilithpluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know SaggiMC, you are awsome!!! You keep all your astro links so organized that you can just fish them all out in an instant!!!!!

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posted January 29, 2012 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lilithpluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Errr... BML is a astrological pt... not asteroid.

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posted January 30, 2012 01:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lilithpluto:
Errr... BML is a astrological pt... not asteroid.

Exactly.

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posted January 30, 2012 06:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for otterpus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Lilith's Lash
Psychologically, Lilith brings up deep and primal issues like repressed feelings of rejection, rage, and the refusal to give in. Lilith's Lash strikes violently, makes sudden movements which seems unappropriate or extreme but are actually reactions on "unfairness". Lilith's lashes bring out the truth from underneath. Lilith reflects the capacity to constructively release anger and resolve conflict. Lilth has a very strong will, is interested in occult and the unconscious. Lilith will not hesitate to use power and control when she feels repressed. Lilith needs to be "canalized". Her energy must be transformed on to a personal level. If not man could be "woman-haters" and woman here can "hate" themselves which is a very painfull situation of course."

http://www.astrotherapy.eu/BlackMoon.htm


Wow... I totally relate to this...
My bml exactly squares my asc

Thank you SaggiMC for the links!

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posted March 31, 2012 05:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for phoenixxx12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, awesome article ...im gonna go a little off topic here and ask what do you think is a Lilith asteroid equivalent in a males chart - does a similar in nature asteroid exist for them?

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posted March 31, 2012 05:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lucifer.

Well, in the story it is being said that Lilith had something going with Lucifer after getting exiled.

Symbolically speaking, Lucifer represents overwhelming stubborn pride and Lilith is very uncompromising.
Both tend to get revengeful, after they feel they have been wronged.
Both place themselves outside or or higher than the rules of the society they had ben living in, and thus have to face the consequences.

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posted March 31, 2012 06:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My partner's vertex conjuncts my BML in Saggitarius, orb 1.

Could anyone offer an interpretation of this, or is it irrelevant without considering the other planets?

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posted March 31, 2012 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have BML conjunct Moon and exactly my rx Pluto in Scorpio house 6
and squares my MC

and the guy I dig
my lilith also conjunts his pluto
and trines his Chiron


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posted March 31, 2012 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
My partner's vertex conjuncts my BML in Saggitarius, orb 1.

Could anyone offer an interpretation of this, or is it irrelevant without considering the other planets?


Nothing is ever irrelevant. In fact, the smallest piece of info can be a gold mine lol

This is fascinating.I have not read about BML as it gets too confusing with the Liliths so I stuck to the "normal"Lilith i.e. the one that Astrodients uses.


However, look at it this way. The Vertex person is fated to get the planet/asteroid persons particular planet/asteroid.

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posted March 31, 2012 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome, Phoenix! Ceri, how do they calculate this point?

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posted March 31, 2012 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good question, Randall.

I am not as versed in astronomy as I would like to, but it is the apogee of the Moon.


I can only quote this article here:
"This particular Lilith is not a physical body, even an elusive one, but a mathematical point in space that represents the other focus of the Moon's elliptical orbit around the Earth. An ellipse has two foci, and in this case the Earth is located at one of them. From an astrological viewpoint, which involves your location on the surface of the Earth, this other point moves. This second focus of the Moon's orbit is what is known as the Black Moon Lilith. The cycle time for this geometric entity is nine years, or actually eight years and 311 days. What's particularly interesting is the fact that Lilith, the antithesis of the Moon who’s associated with motherhood, stays in each sign of the Zodiac for exactly nine months. As you would expect its movement is a bit erratic so in astrological charts it can be viewed in either its true or mean position.
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http://www.valkyrieastrology.com/Makeover/asteroids/lilith.html

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"Perhaps the most subtle and intriguing of the three Liliths, Black Moon is not a physical body but an abstract, geometrical point, like the Ascendant or the Vertex. Because the Moon's path around the Earth is elliptical, as opposed to circular, it has two foci, or centers, the Earth being one and Black Moon Lilith the other. We can also describe this point as the apogee of the Moon's orbit - the place where it is farthest from Earth.

The center of gravity between the Earth and Moon is inside the Earth. As part of the Earth-Moon system, Black Moon is a point or energetic vortex intimately bound to the center of the Earth. Within this context, Lilith is a twin to the core energy of the Earth, the deep heart of fire that feeds and sustains our bodies and the body of the Earth. The creative vitality of the Sun gives life to the Earth and fuels this central core fire.

As a centerpoint of the Moon's orbit, Black Moon Lilith works in relationship with the Earth-Moon system and with the Sun.
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http://www.mountainastrologer.com/standards/editor's%20choice/articles/lilith_hunter/lilith.html

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posted March 31, 2012 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
My partner's vertex conjuncts my BML in Saggitarius, orb 1.

Could anyone offer an interpretation of this, or is it irrelevant without considering the other planets?


Of course you should consider the other planets it is intervowen with.
On its own it might signify a sudden encounter (out of the blue, perhaps experienced as fateful or shocking) with very primal feminity. I cannot really say much about it though, as it is only one isolated aspect. Would be much stronger if it was aspecting Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars or ASC.

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posted March 31, 2012 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceri what is the number for this asteroid?
Is it 1181?

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posted March 31, 2012 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Lilith in the 12th house but it doesn't aspect anything.
Let's just say I have everything in the 12th and that will make my life easier bahahaha

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posted March 31, 2012 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No that is asteroid Lilith. Completely different object than Black Moon Lilith.

the asteroid would highlight social issues of equality and emancipation.

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posted March 31, 2012 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No that is [b]asteroid Lilith. Completely different object than Black Moon Lilith.

the asteroid would highlight social issues of equality and emancipation.[/B]


I couldn't find the # in the asteroids list lol
It's a point in the chart right?

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posted March 31, 2012 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Black Moon Lilith is a point in the chart, and on astrocom, the true Lilith has the number h13, and it appears in the chart as "osc" (for "oscillating").

If you click on Lilith in the box, where Vertex and other asteroids are listed, you are being given the mean (read: average) position of Lilith.

the asteroid Lilith has the number 1181, that is right.

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posted March 31, 2012 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not convinced that the addition of "Lilith" to the Black Moon really does it justice though.
It really is the black Moon, the dark side of the moon, not really Lilith. Unless of course Lilith represents exactly that.
But since the asteroid Lilith is definitely differnt from Black Moon (though there are also similiarities), oh well, I don´t know.


I know though that I find the Black Moon to be EXTREMELY significant, to the point that I am tempted to consider it in one line with the other solar-lunar symbols like Sun, Moon, Sun/Moon-mp, nodal axis.


What it represents to me among anything else is a very "primal instinctivity", which is often shunned and experienced as dangerous or evil, because it is not accepted in our society, it is not civilized, and thus invokes a hard to grasp fear, yet tremendous fascination in us.

Maybe that is the reason that I often find the BML in actors of vampire films and series, rather prominent? (well it is hypothesis only, have not proved it yet, but I dare assuming that these actors will have Pluto or Scorpio prominent in relation to Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars or BML to the same set, probably both).

BML can be very "witchy", and "magical", but not the glamourous sparkly fairy-dust kind of magic we are often shown in films.
There is a magic of the soul, and getting in touch with ones innermost soul CAN be scary. I mean really connecting to the deeper, often hidden, sides. There is a reason we try to hide them!

What does it say about is if we really feel inside that we cannot LIVE without a lover, that we NEED and CRAVE him like the air we need to breathe, and without him, we will just wither and die?

Or if we address feelings like jealousy and greed and a thirst for revenge?
We know consciously, reasonable, that the other person had their reasons to act the way they did, but despite knowing in a tiny tiny corner we simply might want to see them punished.


The Moon usually uses its emotionally to care for, nurture, even pamper the other.
The black Moon shows us yet another side to our emotions, totally uncompromising in its intensity, and - we fear- uncontrollable.

By controlling it though, we distort it, pervert it, push it into a "shadow-corner".
The more we suppress, the stronger they get inside, and probably the stronger the obsessive / compulsive character gets.

It`s not a coincidence that BML often appears in charts of sexually motivated crimes. BUT that imo is a perverted manifestation for the BML, not the normal-healthy version.

Anyway the other keyword I associate with the Black Moon (but that is very Lilithian as well=) is "uncompromising truth".
BML cannot compromise her truth. Period.
Not even when it means she will be outcast. She.Doesn´t.Surrender.
Never.

Lilith refused to lie beneath Adam. No, she didn`t want to dominate him. She wanted an equal partnership, as they were equal partners.
He - and God, said no.

Sh couldn`t change their mind. She could only make her decision and face the consequences.
Stay with Adam and be his subordinate, compromising a lot of w hat she was.
Leave him and be outcast from all society to the price of loneliness, but staying true to herself.

She left.

(and then was being severly punished by God and his angels for defying him and refusing to "know her place".)


I need to stop talking I think, cause this part of the story always gets me all riled up. Most be my BML in Aquarius at the cusp of 3rd house.
Try to "civilize/ tame/ manipulate/" my thinking and speaking, try to tell me how I got it all wrong and really know nothing and should rather listen to "authorities", taking their word blindly, obediently, and you might have the chance to meet MY BML.

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posted March 31, 2012 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It probably does not help that I have asteroid Lilith in 9th house, exactly square my stellium around ASC and in a trine with Lucifer in Taurus and Venus in Capricorn. lol

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posted March 31, 2012 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Ceri! I, too, used to confuse it with the Asteroid.

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