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xrrx
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posted May 17, 2008 11:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello everyone!

I've been reading for a while information regarding the 2012 enigma and such... still there are some things I still don't seem fully understand... or agree with.

What is REALLY going to happen to the souls that will not ascend to 4th? - How is going to be the state of them?- What are they going to do?

I read the Earth/ 3D reality as we know it will no longer exist... so it's supposed that the ones that still have to go through 3D lessons will have to find eventually another planet. (?)

I also read somewhere that they will be 'trapped' until the confusion ends?

I have familiar and friends that are not "awake", and I get this anxiety feeling of wanting them to understand so to be *prepared* and we all can ascend together...
Then, a thought of selfishness crosses my mind, knowing that each of us is an entity that has to walk through its path alone. Yes, we are love, we are all connected, etc- and stick to a plan, but the lessons are for each specific soul, so I cannot rush them or force them to understand.

I don't know... I also wonder if it's fair that some souls 'go' and others do not. If we are ALL one, then we all should ascend, no matter what. Where's the justice if it's not equal for all?- all the souls should be given an opportunity to go to the 4th dimension, I believe.

I also know that I should not worry about this all, because this superior energy has it all planned out, etc etc- and it'll be fair, etc etc etc.

Still I keep wondering...and worrying. But probably I should just let go.

What do you think?- I would like to hear your opinions (and hope I'm being clear, because it's not easy to express my thoughts in another language than my own (spanish) )


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alpha trion
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posted May 18, 2008 02:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for alpha trion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A lot of what you have come across are just opinions of people. Nobody really knows what is going to happen. I say don't be afraid and just go with the flow. Worrying is just a waste of energy and is totally unproductive. Keep in mind our thoughts create our reality, so avoid negative thoughts and worry. Learning to meditate and raise your consciousness in combination with improving your diet and getting a bit of exercise can only benefit us in the long run and equip us to face any challenges. Also doing what we can to give back to our community and planet is good for all and should be done no matter how much or little we are able to contribute as long as we do it whole heartedly.

If you believe in The Creator, have faith that all is part of the plan and don't despair. The doom sayers and so called "gurus" who are popping out everywhere mostly want a following and are scaring people. Listen to your heart and all will be well.

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ListensToTrees
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posted May 18, 2008 03:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/003407.html


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ListensToTrees
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posted May 18, 2008 04:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have asked the same questions, xrrx.

I am gradually learning that the best place to look, is probably within.

I think it's quite likely that if there is going to be an energetic shift, opening gateways into other realities, then where we go will simply depend on our state of consciousness. It has been said that we create our own reality. So I feel where we would go would be a place best suited to our energy/ frequency.

I can't say I know for sure what is going to happen, but I know I am going to get better acquainted with my "Higher Self" throughout all this and stay good friends.

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praecipua
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posted May 18, 2008 04:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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What is REALLY going to happen to the souls that will not ascend to 4th? - How is going to be the state of them?- What are they going to do?

where did you get this information saying that some souls will go to the 4th dimension?

personally, I don't know anything about 2012 except that the mayas talked about it, or at least someone wrote a book, which i haven't read, about the mayan calendar and 2012.

but who got this information about 4th dimension and how? i need to know that before believing and panicking

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ListensToTrees
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posted May 18, 2008 04:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote


David Wilcock I think.

But I feel it's important not to just take someone's word for it. Try to tune into that intuition we all have but have been taught not to use. Listen to your heart!

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silverstone
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posted May 18, 2008 05:08 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
David Wilcock,

This is an interesting interview that Thorshammer sent to me:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/CHIEFLIBERATIONTALK/2007/12/27/Strategies-for-our-Future

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ListensToTrees
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posted May 18, 2008 05:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where is the interview?

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ListensToTrees
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posted May 18, 2008 06:01 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YFIS posted this beautiful picture on my Myspace:

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praecipua
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posted May 18, 2008 06:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my intuition tells me that we are going towards some good, for everyone, even though there might be some bumps on the road.

so david wilcock is the only source? who's david wilcok, the man who scares the shi*t out of naive people like me? how did he get this information about the 4th dimension and the end of earth that xarax talks about in the first post of this thread?

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ListensToTrees
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posted May 18, 2008 06:15 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's a long story- he goes into scientific stuff and all sorts. He is also a psychic.

No, he isn't the only one.

There are lots of dudes talking about the meaning of the Mayan Calendar and so on.

It is a jungle out there though....so many different sources and bits of information.

Bob Dean's partner (on Project Camelot, near the end of his long interview) who has some psychic gifts, said that she feels that there are a multiple number of possible futures for various people.

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xrrx
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posted May 18, 2008 06:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alpha Trion and ListenToTrees thank you both so much for your words , you are absolutely right, nobody *really* knows what is going to happen- I think maybe I just took what I read/listen TOO seriously; and like you said the best thing is to listen to our heart

Worrying will not help. But keeping a positive attitude and trusting in the unconditional love and fairness of existence and the creator.

Praecipua- oh no! please don't panic!!, the info I got from 2012 mainly like LTT said is from David Wilcock (which I still think he seems to be very truthful regarding some stuff-) and then some other internet articles.

Check this one out- http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_2012_02.htm

But I'll def pay more attention to my inner self/heart/soul from now on!

It was like the Reptilians/The Grey thing... the first time I heard it was like: OH yeah, they are right the Reptilians rule the world. And after meditating for a while I got this message from my Higher Self that it's not true.
Assuming their existence, their are not the ones controlling the world.

But that's another topic. sorry.

And it was helpful to get your opinions on the 2012 ascension thing!-you really help me re-inforce the idea to trust MORE my gut feeling than the opinion of the gurus.

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silverstone
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posted May 18, 2008 07:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Listens,

The interview is a talk show on the right hand side

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/CHIEFLIBERATIONTALK/2007/12/27/Strategies-for-our-Future

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posted May 18, 2008 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
alpha trion, wise words!

juni

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alpha trion
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posted May 18, 2008 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alpha trion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some years ago when i came across the 2012 information i too was quite concerned and under the impression that there would a big catastrophe or some major event that could possible wipe out most life. I used to ponder it a lot and was actually counting down to 2012. Now i no longer am afraid and am more free. I am working toward raising my consciousness with yoga and better eating habits as these things are beneficial to us regardless of what will happen or not. I have trust in The Creator and now don't pay much attention to the doom sayers. As it was said "If you mind it matters, if you don't it doesn't matter". By us not "minding" or rather thinking about some negative event, we can probably weaken this fear field that certain people want us to generate. we have to keep our eyes, ears and minds open and listen to our hearts. All the answers that really matter are within us.

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ListensToTrees
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posted May 18, 2008 01:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, Linda said that....it's one of my favourite sayings from her.

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thirteen
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posted May 19, 2008 09:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it is funny to me how we all assume that it will be so negative. ( me included) My understanding is that the earths and our energy is already transforming and has been for years now. 2012 is only the completion of the shift. I have read some of that scary stuff and i don't beleive it. The change in dimension is only to enhance our perception to and understanding of time. ( maybe we will be able to know who we shared past lives with...etc nothing major or bad. Everyone will have the opportunity to awaken but some will probably not awaken in this life or some will probably take forever to do it. I do not look upon 2012 as catastropic event only the completion of what is already started. And of course it is to the good or betterment of all of us.

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xrrx
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posted May 21, 2008 12:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank you thirteen!!! very wise words

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posted May 22, 2008 07:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lei_Kuei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hehe you could try this for perhaps some ease of mind...
http://www.sabiansymbols.com/page.asp?id=968 < Ask the Oracle/Yourself.

Just think about 2012 in relation to how its going to effect "you" and click on the galaxy picture.

I love this little divination program and often its is very very insightful in relation to your questions...

My 2012 answer sure made me feel alot better...


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MAG
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posted June 06, 2008 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MAG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
God! I'm dead afraid of this whole thing... I just read it, and feel so depressed and anxious... call me naive or weak...but that's the way I feel.... Can somebody tell me this isn't 100% real? Please?

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praecipua
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posted June 14, 2008 04:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mag, do you believe in god?

this is only what a man says. even if they were hundreds, thousands or millions saying this, these words would merely be the words of men. so don't worry. it ain't 100% real.

love to you.

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MAG
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posted June 14, 2008 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MAG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi praecipua;

Thank you very much!!!

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Lara
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posted June 15, 2008 10:15 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
perpetuated 'thought' eventually becomes 'reality'

so be careful what you think

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posted June 16, 2008 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
True!

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