posted October 14, 2016 06:58 PM
I'm not really a fan of David Icke (though I loved his saying of today's oak being yesterday's nut that held its ground ), I did like this one presentation he gave:
I found his thoughts clear, and I even recognized a lot of what he was talking about even outside the context he gave in the first 20 minutes or so (I believe it's in the 23rd minute--ooh, 23 !--in which he starts connecting the archons to the Matrix movies). And he reminded me of some "occult anarchists" I used to know who believed something similar (and had similar, but not identical, reasons) that felt an unfriendly entity/entities beyond our comprehension was subverting reality and souls, but it's been way too long since I heard those ideas for me to describe them clearly. I'm just pointing out that while Icke may be adding to such ideas, he's not creating them from scratch. It's also interesting to me to see him connect the thoughts of the Gnostics to modern Matrix movies.
I was also reminded of the vivid dream when I was starting to experiment with the Kabbalah in which I was in a paradise, but I was abducted by some terrible and smug entity who dragged me into a world that made me think of the Old Testament (not a place I'd want to be for similar reasons I wouldn't want to be in modern Iran). It/They told me I deserved it, but I argued with unusual clarity and reason for a dream state, and then started to open the door back to the world from which I was taken (which, btw, had something to do with the moon, but I can't recall that now) and I felt panic, along with fingers on my throat that felt so real I literally realized I was sleeping and thought someone was strangling me as I slept!
I came to...and had marks on my throat. Furthermore, as I got online to email an occult mentor of mine I saw I had an email from a DarkSun666 who said I cannot win but Jesus will accept me, or some drivel like that. It was very disturbing (Icke mentions the "Dark Sun" along with 666 in the vid, which is what reminds me of it).
What I really have to give a prize for is that for the FIRST TIME he explains why it would matter if the Illuminati and such were both overtly and covertly passing along their symbols.
The usual explanations sound more like a moral panic akin to panic and upset over what happens because of any other image, or women not wearing veils, for example. That is, no danger, just being more of a Puritan with too much time on their hands and a need for self-righteousness, and thus the one instigating the moral panic is the real danger. Ironically, many who talk about it that makes me think "moral panic" also talk about how positive they are, and yet it all sounds so futile!
But Icke describes this the way cyberpunk describes the Matrix, in symbols that facilitate signals, though of course through the Saturn-Moon matrix (the occult vibrations that the occult anarchists I knew talked about) rather than the one described in cyberpunk (or the movie Matrix).
Though in this case, the people going on about such satanic or Illuminati symbols should talk more about how to counter them. After all, if we're on a computer then we're almost surely saturated in them all the time anyway.
The sound generated by Saturn was interesting, but I know all planets have a sound. I want to hear those again. Interesting enough, in the very early 20th century, IIRC, signals sent to Venus that came back allowed people to believe that Venus was as hot as it is, but I forget the details.
It also reminds me of the limitations I've read about in trying to find extraterrestrial life when we're barely able to detect anything that's even remotely like ourselves (without the proper receiver, any actual communication as we understand it would just be visual and audio static).
And aliens could be so advanced--and different--that we wouldn't recognize their communications or even devices even if we saw them right in front of us (more than one has compared it with how an ant could properly understand a highway as something built for travel by unknown means to the ant rather than just another natural part of the earth). Talking about the rings of Saturn (and then the sun-moon-earth) made me think on that again. (The scifi book--not movie--Contact by Carl Sagan also portrayed much of the observed "natural" universe as actually shaped by alien entities beyond our comprehension, we're just too primitive to make sense out of it, and I can see why Icke is grudgingly impressed by his ideas despite Sagan's hardliner skepticism.)
I also like the flat earth theories, not because I believe them, but because it excites my imagination, and reminds me of fantastic stories of disc worlds, worlds that are cube-shaped, "spelljammers" that used magic to fly fanciful ships (closer to medieval ships than scifi starships, and similar to the movie Treasure Planet) through the skies to other worlds. (I could point out that the world isn't round either, it's too bumpy for that. IIRC, our world is shaped vaguely like a pear.)
In any case, I love strange ideas that are delivered like that (as opposed to the sloppy way they're usually delivered). It would make for a brilliant fiction series, if nothing else, though it might be too complex for many.
But all in all I'm posting this thread so I can share it on another thread without derailing it.