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Linda Jones
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posted February 01, 2021 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Randall & Juni,
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May I ask why my thread -
. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum26/HTML/005541.html
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has been moved to the conspiracy forum?
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In the articles I linked, Patrick Byrne presents *evidence* of his investigation of the fraud complete with videos analyses from different experts, graphs & figures, and how he concluded that the biggest election fraud in US history took place. Even if it's not the official narrative and you don't agree with the evidence he's presented, it's still *evidence*.
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Would you mind reading this link which has video evidence as well as graphs and actual reports of absentee ballots and explain to me how all this is a conspiracy?
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https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/01/how-djt-lost-the-white-house-introduction-why-i-was-involved-before-november-3-and-what-i-learned-by-doing-so/
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The topic is completely political, presented *with* evidence, so I'm absolutely confused why it's not acceptable in this political forum...especially after Randall had determined in November 2020 that a wide latitude is to be given to the definition of a conspiracy...and Patrick Byrne's articles aren't even a conspiracy.
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posted February 01, 2021 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Everyone knows that election was stolen.

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Linda Jones
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posted February 01, 2021 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So then it's not a conspiracy?

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posted February 01, 2021 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Were the articles i posted a conspiracy if they're filled with evidence?

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posted February 01, 2021 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The election was not stolen!!


It was a free and fair election!

More denial from the crazy right wing!!!

Climate change isnít real!! We won the election!!


More delusions and head burying!!!

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posted February 01, 2021 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course, we are dealing with a troubling pattern nowadays. Calling opinions that do not suit the official party line "conspiracy theories" is an authoritarian way to banish them to the crazy goulag.

If half of the country thinks the election was stolen, what makes the other half so self righteous in calling it a conspiracy theory?

We have now reached an unfortunate time in America where half of the population is trying to impose its will on the other half. This is not going to end well.

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posted February 01, 2021 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One would hope that's not what's happening at LL.

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posted February 01, 2021 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The funny thing is that Patrick Byrne didn't just give his opinion. He did due diligence and presented full evidence of his work. His group worked with Sydney Powell & others. He's shown how some of the best minds put it all together and how they failed to bring it home.
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The work he did cannot just be dismissed as a conspiracy, which is what is being implied by moving the thread

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posted February 01, 2021 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If the thread below on the Myanmar coup can be allowed and not considered a conspiracy theory...
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum26/HTML/005540.html

...why is a trump deep state coup thread, which has much more evidence of the coup, not being allowed in this forum?

Randall...Juni...?

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posted February 01, 2021 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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One would hope that's not what's happening at LL.

They are everywhere.

That is one of the reasons I moved away from the left. I watched most of the people claiming Trump was a dictator slowly morphing into little dictators themselves, who see nothing wrong, absolutely nothing wrong, in depriving half of the country of its first amendment right.

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posted February 01, 2021 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The dems thought that online censorship wouldn't happen to them. They were perfectly fine with the conservatives being shut up...and even cheered it...until a few days ago (well after the inauguration) f/b purged 70,000 progressive accounts without giving a reason or even acknowledging that they'd deleted those accounts.

It's a very slippery slope when people's right to speak is taken away. Those who do it to your enemies, will one day do it to you too, dems didn't consider this before they cheered the purging of conservative accounts

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posted February 01, 2021 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know how many times I have to keep explaining this. When you change election rules without having the state legislature do so, that is unconstitutional. Therefore, those votes are illegal. As just one specific example out of dozens, Wisconsin requires addresses on all absentee ballots. Thousands of those ballots were received in the mail that only had names on them. Election officials changed the rules and decided that they could accept and count those ballots in violation of state law, because maybe COVID made people forget where they live. Was that cheating or fraud? We don't know, because it wasn't allowed to be investigated. But it was ripe for fraud. And whether it was voter fraud or not, the votes were illegal.

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posted February 01, 2021 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ @Linda Jones. I didn't know, but why am I not surprised?

Anyway, I am off to the work I am blessed to still have and will take the time to read the information in your thread.

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posted February 01, 2021 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ Randall, Ok, but what does all that have to do with my thread being moved to the conspiracy forum? 🤔

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posted February 01, 2021 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is Juni's forum. I generally try to defer to my Mods' discretion in their decisions.

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Linda Jones
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posted February 01, 2021 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've asked Juni the same question...

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posted February 01, 2021 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is a completely political topic with evidence.

If the Myanmar coup thread can be allowed why not a trump coup thread?

It's very possible that Juni didn't read the links and the evidence in them...

If so would you mind reopening the thread please, Juni? I think it contains exhaustive information on the political situation in this country that people should know...

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posted February 01, 2021 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not trying to make anyone wrong in their decision, just asking for the thread to be reopened so people can discuss openly.

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posted February 01, 2021 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ Belage. Let me know what you think...

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posted February 01, 2021 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That other coup thread seems to be a disinformation ploy.

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posted February 01, 2021 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And Juni hasn't moved that coup thread to the conspiracy forum, mine has evidence & got moved....very confusing

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
The election was not stolen!!


It was a free and fair election!

More denial from the crazy right wing!!!

Climate change isnít real!! We won the election!!


More delusions and head burying!!!


This thread in toto, is a good example of why over identification with any group, belief system, is not a good thing, and leads to biases and distorted group think. Whether "left" or "right". I'm not part of the right and haven't ever been. In another life so to speak, I was part of the left.

I happen to agree with a Harvard Professor and a Princeton study of politics that both say that our Democracy was stolen from us a long time ago by corrupt special interest groups and individuals. Voting, at the Federal level at least, is kind of an exercise in futility.

Anyways, regarding Climate Change, clearly it is real. However, it is more complex of an issue than either the left or right makes it. Until very recently, most climate models used by most scientists in that whole field, only accounted for the Sun's irradiance alone. Problem with that is, the Sun pumps A LOT more energy into the Earth on other levels, and we're just coming out of a grand Solar maximum wherein the Sun was especially active from around the 50's to around 2010 or so (and the oceans are VERY good at storing heat energy over time). There are various larger and smaller cycles involved with the Sun, and not just the 11 year, smaller Solar max to min cycle.

When you ignore all that data and all that energy being dumped into earth via the Sun, you're going to have very skewed data, or as one science pundit put it, "Their math is flawlessly erroneous".

Here's a very interesting fact, which is one of the ones that helped me to question mainstream narratives about Climate Change even way back when when I was more actively identified with the left. Back in the late 1920's and 1930's, Edgar Cayce's guidance predicted a coming global warming trend that would be especially noticed at the polar regions. Said this would start to take place around 1958 and become quite apparent by 1998.

What did his source attribute to the cause? Not humans and human pollution and CO2 production, but rather natural cyclical changes in the Earth and in the Sun. His source ALSO predicted well ahead of time, the changes in the magnetic poles (though only said "poles") and in the cycle of same, which was also linked to internal Earth and cosmic changes.

And indeed, they were again right on the money with that, because it was right around 2000 when the magnetic poles saw a change in the cycle. It went from a gradually increasing wandering/movement and field decrease from 1859 and the Carrington Solar event, to right around 2000 exponetnially ramping up in both speed of movement and field decrease. At the increasing rate that it's going, it's likely that by 2030 to 2040 or so, we won't have much of a magnetic field at all.

Anyways, these internal Earth changes clearly do not have ANYTHING to do with human pollution. These are 12, 000 year cyclical changes that relate to the Sun and to the Galactic Core.

With all that said, are humans contributing to global warming/climate change? Probably some, yes. Hence why I said it's more complex than either side portrays it as.

If a person wants to view truth as accurately and objectively as possible, they HAVE to divorce themselves from any and all group think and group identification. Anytime you say to yourself, "I'm a _____ " and that doesn't just involve human, Soul, part of the Oneness of the Whole and Source, or the like, you introduce perceptual biases and distortions.

This is why though I eat primarily vegan in diet (followed by to a lesser extent vegetarian, and to an even lesser extent pescatarian), I don't ever say that "I'm a 'vegan', 'vegetarian', or 'pescatarian'. I want to remain as free and divorced of group think and self identification with a group, as is possible.

It's also why though I like Yeshua and his teachings/life/example, I don't ever call myself a "Christian", and that's for a lot of reasons including all the energetic baggage/distortion that goes along with religion and the continual devolvement of his teachings from his time till now (when those Romans got involved in a political and power way, it all really started going down hill). It's also why I don't identify or associate with any particular branch of the above either, though if I had to choose, I'd probably be most partial to Unitarian. But even that I stay away from.

Another interesting fact about climate. During Covid, pollution output actually went down in many areas for awhile, and yet warmth increased. Why, because many aerosols are very good at reflecting Solar energy back into space. With less of those aerosols in the atmosphere, the temps increased. There have been numerous peer reviewed papers written about this topic in recent times, and by reputable groups, universities, etc.

Weird, truth is more complex, variable, and big pictured than human beliefs and belief systems paint it as. When does that ever happen? (Cut to the old Indian spiritual teaching about the blind men feeling the elephant...)

Btw, on a personal note Blue Roamer. I understand the emotionality behind your post, considering your strong beliefs, but I do hope that you understand just how emotional it really is and what that may mean/imply. If you're just looking to vent your spleen, well "job well done" I guess. But if you're looking to open up eyes and help people to see truth, going to a level beyond angry sarcasm and yelling, probably will not help in that cause.


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posted February 01, 2021 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Excellent Galactic! You have such patience, i completely admire it. I didn't want to get involved in the climate change thing, but you've said it very well. In the beginning i was a bit alarmed about the climate, but then read up abt it and did some deep thinking and came to the same conclusions as yours. Earth has survived a very long time going through many cyclical changes. The politicians want to capitalize on it to squeeze more money & taxes out of people. The idea of bankers is to keep people perpetually poor so they never have the means to fight back & reclaim their sovereignty.

The more i saw through what's happening, the more i realized that politics is a game being used to keep people intensely divided & therefore i no longer engage in political discussions, except to try and point out the big picture, because it's energetically not where i want to go overall. And point out the big picture is what i was trying to do when Juni moved my thread.

I used to think democratic until i saw through that charade & stopped identifying completely with "sides".

I presented Patrick Byrne's painstaking work as evidence that ordinary people will never be able to prove what went on because it was done so skillfully, and as i've said before, the deep state absolutely exists, has been acknowledged by past presidents, and only the deep state has the means & power to pull off something like a banana republic election...per the evidence presented by Byrne & my own intuitive sense. I think it's really important for people (if they care) to see the enormous implication of Byrne's work, and what it means for americans.

I'd like your opinion on the thread that got moved, so it would be nice if it gets moved back.

So far Juni hasn't responded. The thread was moved very quickly, I doubt she really gave herself a chance to read the links.

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posted February 01, 2021 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To be clear i'm not asking for your or anyone's opinion on Trump...that division is very obvious in this forum. But i'm interested to know if anyone can think beyond politics and realize the deeper implication of what happened.

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I don't have much opinion about that thread other than to say that it did seem like biased moderation.

As to Trump, stolen election, etc, I don't know. I haven't delved deeply enough into it. But since I do already know two things more completely/surely: we haven't had a real democracy in a long time, and Trump was no "savior" and actually filled up the swamp with various swamp creatures, tbh, I don't care too much if the election was stolen from him or not.

That, and I know that the Earth changes are coming, and THAT's when the real changes to humanity will start to happen. Hence, much of this melodrama meanwhile is just killing time and not worth getting over attached to or worked up about (though I sometimes do a little here and there, especially with Covid, plutocrat wealth and power grab/transfer). I'm looking forward to the rebuilding of a new and truly civil civilization out of the ashes of the old.

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