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Cas
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posted January 22, 2003 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cas     Edit/Delete Message
Hi all, I'm new to this website, having only just discovered it) and have been re-reading Linda's books again, and realised that I know nothing about the Planet Vulcan, the true ruling planet for Virgos. Would like anyone to inform me on this subject and its discovery and any other related material. Also the Taureans are fostered as well and would like any info on their true ruling planet as well.
Thank you for your assistance in this truely perplexing situation that I have found myself in.

Love Cas

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Cat
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posted January 22, 2003 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Cas
Welcome to the site....
From another Virgo and yes our "true" ruler is still a mystery ....some say it's Chiron but then again some say that Chiron is Sagittarius's true ruler......so where does that leave Jupiter???
For now...but I could change my mind as more "evidence" comes to light....I'm going with Chiron for Virgo
Sue

PS: But you know that LG said that the planet name of Virgo's true ruler would be confused/incorrect initially.

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Cas
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posted January 22, 2003 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cas     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you Sue for your reply and welcome.
I was wondering also if there is any information or books that I can read on this subject. It really is as you say 'confusing'.
Hope to hear from you soon.
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Carlo
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posted January 22, 2003 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Carlo     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Cas,

I compiled this on Vulcan from what I could find...

http://lovestarz.com/vulcan.html

it should be a good start for ya

Bright Blessings,
Carlo

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Cas
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posted January 22, 2003 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cas     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you oh so so so much Carlo. This information is truely interesting and will take me some time to read and study. If you happen to find anything else that would be of interest to me on this subject I would truely appreciate it.
Once again a big THANKS to you and for Cat for helping me in my quest.
Till next time
Cas

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Aselzion
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posted January 22, 2003 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message
Greetings...

I don't mean to insult anyone but Chiron doesn't RULE anything. It may be "associated" with Sagittarius in that Sag is the Centaur sign, but it isn't a planet and is therefore not qualified for rulership status.

I have yet to see anyone show me something in a chart that was determined solely by Chiron's position, that could not be explained by the classical planets and outers.

I don't want to step on any toes, but I have found a sad trend in Astrology to jump on the newest bandwagon with little or no real research time. (and by research time I mean CENTURIES) The thinking seems to be, if it's out there interpret it! And perhaps with a good deal of study and research, eventually there will be an Astrology that acknowledges every floating bit of space debris. Then we'll be hearing that, "my marriage went south when Sputnik entered Libra!"

I stand firm in my conviction that a full and clear understanding of the BASICS, which I find SADLY LACKING in many of the new astrology texts, would be of more benefit than having a chart full of debris that doesn't really add all that much good interpretive information.

I am not saying that there isn't anything to be gained by studying Chiron, or the asteroids. Hell, I accept that Vulcan and Minerva are the true rulers of Virgo and Libra. But it seems to me that we are too willing to give up on the tried and true to the point that modern astrology may be throwing the baby out with the proverbial bath water.

Truce! Peace and Light!

A

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if there was anything in the Oort cloud/Kuiper belt larger than Quaor it would have been detected by now IMO.

Vulcan(Pan-Horus?) is either the Asteroid belt or a companion star/hot jupiter that would make Sol a binary system, as far as my (limited) experience tells me.

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posted January 23, 2003 04:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wave     Edit/Delete Message
What about Taurus true ruling planet? Shouldn't it be Apollo? Isn't that what Linda said? Any of you know about this planet and wich qualities would it provide the bulls with if it appeared?

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Randall
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posted January 23, 2003 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Welcome, Cas!

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Aselzion
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posted January 23, 2003 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message
Greetings Cas and Wave...

Though I am in complete agreement with Linda that Virgo's true ruler is Vulcan... Linda states that the true ruler of Taurus is called Pan-Horus. Appollo is what she named our missing or Second Sun that she discussed briefly in Chapter 9 of Star Signs.

Well, I'm not too sure that I agree with Linda about TAURUS missing its true ruler. From my 20 years in astrology, I'd say VENUS is very happy in her role there; earthy, sensual, artistic, tactile. Much more so than in the airy, rational, sign Libra.

It is my belief that Libra is missing its true ruler, and I believe that ruler will be Minerva. I have several reasons for this belief, and one of them has to do with an interesting pattern that develops around the zodiac when one meditates on the INCONJUNCT aspect. I don't want to divulge too much information about this, as I am planning to include this information in a book that I'm working on.

Suffice it to say that if you REALLY look at the nature of Venus and the natures of both Taurus and Libra, you will see what I mean about one FEELING right, and the other one not so much.

Hope that helps a little...
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pearly
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posted January 23, 2003 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pearly     Edit/Delete Message
Aselzion

Thank you for sharing your insight regarding Venus. I tend to agree. I have always felt that Venus was more at home in Taurus than Libra. I am not too familiar with the Minerva/Libra link, but I will look forward to what you have to say about it in your forthcoming book. Keep us posted!

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posted January 24, 2003 06:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wave     Edit/Delete Message
I agree! It seems to me that sensual Taurus feels more comfortable in Venus.

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posted January 24, 2003 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
This is just my ONION, but I feel that although Venus is a good temporary substitute, Venus is still a bit wishy-washy, while Taurus is very solid, sturdy, stable, and dependable. Yes, Venus is very comfortable with sensuous Taurus, but it just feels like there is a better choice out there waiting to be discovered.

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Aselzion
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posted January 24, 2003 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Randall...

I think that perhaps if you meditate on the nature of LIBRA, you will find it more coldly rational and airy than Venus is by nature. Though Libra likes to be "in relationship" as all the airy signs, there is something detached and cool about it's connections, which I do not feel actually describes Venus.

Venus is fertile and sensual, tactile and a lover of things pretty and sweet. Her affections are deep and abiding, and her nature draws people and things to her with relative ease. She represents a quiet person not inclined to argument, pleasant,affable, enjoys good food and fine wines, musical, sociable, loves baths and is not particularly interested in hard work.

She tends to roundness in figure rather than tallness with bedroom eyes and full lips.

When badly aspected or placed it makes one extravagant, careless, riotous and lazy, with an inclination to bed where one should not.

Libra, to me always seems a bit of a tactician, several famous career military were Librans like Eisenhower and North, and Hitler had Libra Rising.

Librans are also fond of debate and argument, again not really the comfort zone of Venus. For to truly debate one must look into the issue with a keen eye for detail; and also be willing to pick a side and argue FOR that side, whether or not one actually BUYS INTO the side one is arguing ... still not sounding terribly Venusian.

This is much more in keeping with the nature of Minerva, the planet I feel will be the true ruler of Libra. There is an element of Libra that is the Justice Card in Tarot. Justice with her eyes wide open, seeing to the heart of a case and then weighing it's merits before rendering a fair decision. Much too much work for the sensual Venus! Besides, I don't think that Venus could help but become emotionally involved in the decision, and again, that is NOT the nature of Libra.

As I say, I have another reason for feeling that Libra is missing its true ruler, and again, that has to do with meditation on the Inconjunct aspect. Of course this also verifies some ANCIENT astrological rulerships and re-allocates still others. Very Esoteric, but workable nonetheless.

Pax and Bright Blessings!

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posted January 25, 2003 02:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
I do not doubt what you say, Aselzion; however, I do see Venus' influence on Libra. Libran men are charmers, and Libran women tend to be quite "voluptuous."

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posted January 25, 2003 03:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat     Edit/Delete Message
I was just going to post saying....yes I agree re Librians "airiness" but I think the Venus influence definately makes them charmers.......

Then I saw Randall's post
Randall, I agree re the men....never really checked out the women
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posted January 25, 2003 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message

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posted January 25, 2003 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theFajita     Edit/Delete Message

I take it you are not complaining about Libra women Randall

yes the men are charmers *sigh*

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posted January 25, 2003 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Carlo     Edit/Delete Message
Libra/Libra Rising girls are hotties, and voluptuous, yes. Especially nice are the ones who bear Scorpio influence and who are not saddled with Venus in Virgo, yet have it in Libra or Scorpio. Yet Venus' influence on Libra is clear, and more Venusian than on Taurus. Taurus is Fixed, remember. Aphrodite was pure Cardinal. And did you ever notice how sometimes Taurus girls primp and pose and look at themselves in the mirror, yet are not always totally comfortable about themselves. It's like they are not quite to a Venus level; and Aphrodite, being a Goddess, knew full well that she was the Immortal Hottie and no one could hang. Taurus girls don't quite reach that comfort level with their looks, that self assurance, no matter how beautiful they are. It is an unfortunate influence of Earth and feminine/negative polarity nature. Oh sure they aspire to it, and may tell you that they know they are all that, yet privately, they cannot avoid a shadow of doubt. Libra is more confident. Airy, breezy, Cardinal, forward, upbeat, and not stubborn, like Venus. And ever notice how Libra girls float along when they walk? Venus/Aphrodite gives a sexy, fun-loving, free-spirited manner, which is Libra. I totally disagree that Libra is missing its ruler...Taurus definitely is, although it is thought by some to be ruled by Earth, which as you may know, in the birthchart is directly opposite your Sun. So I am a 4 Pisces Earth boy, since my Sun is at 4 Virgo. The symbol for Earth is a "+" with a circle around it. Venus is not a Bull, she is balance through partnership, like her Libra natives. I have had much experience with both these signs, and that is what I have personally observed, and other astrologers concur. That does not mean that the Libra-needs-a-ruler theory is dead in the water, yet it doesn't float very well.

Bright Blessings,
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pearly
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posted January 25, 2003 11:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pearly     Edit/Delete Message
Great thoughts!

So, is Venus sensual, artistic, fertile and quiet

OR

Is she free-spirited, airy, forward and goddess-like?

These are two VERY different views on Venus and I can feel them both... however, are we sure we understand Venus totally? I'm questioning whether I do!

Speaking of Venus, mine being in Pisces....I tend to feel it as a soft influence. Though when you consider the Aphrodite influence, it becomes a whole different thing....


Hmmmmm.....

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posted January 26, 2003 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message
Greetings...

Well, no I don't think we really understand MANY of the planets all that well in modern astrology, particularly the Planets that govern 2 signs.

I think if we go back to mythology we will discover quite a bit about the true nature of the planets. I think often we confuse the nature of the SIGN with the nature of the ruling planet, and though there must be some FIT, I don't think they are EXACTLY the same.

It's kind of like saying that TAURUS is the MONEY SIGN because the SECOND HOUSE is the MONEY HOUSE. This is sloppy astrology.

My point being that we must decide what each individual piece of the astrological puzzle means, and stop slopping about by haphazardly saying that ARIES=MARS=FIRST HOUSE. This system of teaching astrology basically teaches me only one thing: that if everything in the chart means the same thing, than NOTHING really MEANS ANYTHING.

For example: according to the rules set forth in various well respected astrology texts one could determine that we all have 3 livers: one is in the SIGN Sagittarius, another is in the natural 9th HOUSE because it's related to Sag, and the 3rd is Jupiter himself. This is actually very reassuring in an odd way, if I have 3 livers I can't possibly die of cirrhosis, or at least not until I've used up two of them. After looking through even more astrological litereature I decided that three livers in fact would not be enough! The study of medical astrology would surely drive me to drink to the point of ruination of all 3 livers, and cirrhosis wasn't such a far-fetched idea after all.

I guess that one of the commandments of astrology is; Thou shalt not be lucid!

By the way, the ANATOMY should be confined ONLY TO THE SIGNS of the zodiac. Function and pathology should be given to the planets and aspects.

So my suggestion is to go back to the basics again, read the mythology, and learn WHO the planets are. They are the movers and shakers, the key players, as it were. The signs are simply parts that these actors play, or costumes that they put on while transiting the Signs. The Houses are simply the individual stages upon which the players in their temporary costumes and in their temporary roles are playing.

Do the double rulerships work? Certainly, well enough for now! I feel that Venus is comfy enough in Libra, and that Mercury does have an affinity for Virgo, but I also feel that these two signs are often misunderstood because they have yet to find their true rulers. For this I suggest we look back to the mythology.

Have a look at who Mercury/Hermes is and also Venus/Aphrodite. Read into Vulcan/Hephaistos. Then about Minerva/Athena and see what you think.

Then I'll tell you about the Inconjunct and the pattern around the zodiac that answers the rulership question mathematically and logically. And that is a promise for tomorrow.

Peace and Light...

A

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posted January 26, 2003 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Auriel Langford     Edit/Delete Message
Fajita, Randall better not complain about Libra appearances given I have Venus on my rising and Mars in Libra--both affecting my appearance.

pearly, I don't see that those characteristics are necessarily mutually exclusive-- I'm sensual, yet airy, quiet but very direct and forward when I have something to say. It all depends on the moment and who I'm with and what's going on at the time.

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posted January 27, 2003 01:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pearly     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Auriel

Yes, I agree with you. In my post I wanted to point out the two very different takes on Venus that were being offered by Aselzion and Carlo. It is interesting to me that the understanding of Venus could vary so widely (but that actually may be a clue...to it's Libra qualities ) and I just realized I need to understand Venus better.

During the last 12 years of studying astrology as a hobby, I have meditated on the planets one at a time in my effort to really "feel" who they are and how they will influence a situation. I just realized Venus is a planet I haven't concentrated on, I just sort of took it at face value (lovely sweetness) and assumed it's mellowness, mostly because in my own chart I've always felt Venus was unobtrusive... so I thought. However, this topic raises some pretty good questions in my mind, so I wanted to hear what anyone else thought about the 2 distinct views of Venus. (Actually, I think we're off-topic now as this was originally about Vulcan...oops )

Anyway, I think I should go meditate on Venus for awhile.

Take care


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posted January 27, 2003 01:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquamoon     Edit/Delete Message
QUIET? Hee hee, you made me giggle there.

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Cas
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posted January 27, 2003 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cas     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Pearly, yes you are right we seem to have headed off into another realm so to speak. I was wondering as I read all these commentaries whatever happened to the topic in point. Would still like to hear more comments in reference to Virgo - Vulcan. Am also interested in the topic of Taurus - Pan Horus (Apollo), but Virgo is my sign and thats where my main interests lie.

Cas

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