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hrj777
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posted August 07, 2003 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hrj777     Edit/Delete Message
I just need to get this off my chest ... maybe I am just having a bad day but this has been bothering me for a while and because I love this place so much ... I need to say this.

What is going on in this place lately? There is so much negative energy in this place. It doesn't feel like Linda is here anymore. Is this just a phase Lindaland is going through or is it time for me to move on?

I thought this was about carrying on Linda's spirit and her "school of thought". Instead it seems to be drawing people who are coming in here with their own agenda ... people who seem to know it all and find it necessary to use Lindaland as their own podium to spread whatever they believe to be spriritual truth ... and self-proclaimed astrology experts spreading all kinds of blatant mis-information to people who genuinely want to learn astrology but don't know any better than to take what these people are saying verbatim.

I used to learn so much from this place, there was so much Love and Wisdom here. Where is everyone? I rarely even see the moderators involved at all lately? (I know you are all very busy and I completely understand.) I don't feel welcome in this place anymore. I don't feel like I can talk openly or honestly for fear of being attacked for expressing my opinion.

I used to come here to learn, but lately it seems that I can have better astrology discussions on an "InSync" message board.

Am I resisting change or trying to protect something that I love very much? Do I speak up in order to excercise my freewill or just watch things change the way they may, accept it as "fate" and move on?

I am not saying that Randall or anyone is to blame for this. (I love you for making Lindaland, Randall ) But I can't just sit back and watch. This goat is too rambunctious to wander off into the sunset without making her point.

Maybe Lindaland isn't changing at all ... maybe it's me that's changing ...

Heidi

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juniperb
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posted August 07, 2003 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Heidi, your love, lite and concern for all is deeply felt and appreciated!

As for this Mod., mid/late summer is extremely busy with trying to get the family,four leggeds and farm winterized. Also, while I read all posts in FFA, I`m not knowledgeable on many subjects and prefer to listen.

As in 'all that is', the underlying current in LL is cyclic. Each knowflake has a different degree of k-nowing who they are, who they desire to become and how they shall arrive at their destination. This causes diversity and perhaps a veering off the path that LL is based on. We all create the energy here and each is responsible for rather it`s positive or negative. As lite dispells darkness, we simply need to let our lite be a beacon. Thank you Heidi for sharing yours with us! And all that share the mutual love for Lindaland

I agree it`s dis-heartening when the negative looms like a cloud of dust looking for a place to settle. It can`t be swept away but must be accepted as it 'is'. To not let it affect our center or peace or to perpetuate it is the gift we each own..I hold each and every soul dear,but I don`t always agree with what is presented or it`s presentation! Yet, somehow, some way, I sense that is their own way of seeking. Different degrees of k-nowing again. In good conscious, we shouldn`t let those souls seeking slip away because we don`t understand, we disapprove or are negatively affected by them.

Personal attacks are not acceptable and must not be disguised as opinion or "it must be my Mars or whatever astrological occurance" one blames to throw off the poor behavior. No excuses, courtesy begins with S-ELF and that responsibility is each and every knowflakes.

We all need to be judicious in any information we receive, astrological or otherwise. Know yours-elf first,the subject matter or learn it! before accepting anything as 'your' truth. We each are responsible to discern information for ours-elves.

I wish love to all seeking and discovering their Elf. May we all walk this path in Lindaland with consideration of others, thoughtful vs. reactionary posts and with lite that glows within. Lets not let those seeking slip away because of a difference of opinions or beliefs. May we embrace the differences as the gift they are.

** Note This is the opinion of juniperb and I accept responsibility for my own words, opinions and beliefs.

And thanks again Heidi, for sharing your concerns!! And I hope as you or Lindaland changes and grows, that your Elf will remain as an integral piece of the love that lays within this site.

juniperb

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Oxychick
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posted August 07, 2003 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Oxychick     Edit/Delete Message
Stunned, juni. Perfect and full of wonderful insight.

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trillian
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posted August 07, 2003 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
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Randall
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posted August 07, 2003 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
I've seen just about everything here. Lindaland seems to have its own living Energy. It's like the weather in Georgia. If you don't like it, stick around a little while; it's sure to change.

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super_bull
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posted August 07, 2003 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for super_bull     Edit/Delete Message
amen to that.

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SunShyne
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posted August 07, 2003 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunShyne     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah! The negativity never stays long. It's the light that drives it away. There will always be more light here than dark.
I've just run about ten knowflakes names through my mind while I'm sitting here typing this, and I love every one of them for the light they spread. I've often thought about starting a string to list your names and tell each one how much you inspire me, but I feel like I'll miss someone out that means a lot to me whom I just haven't thought of at the moment. Anyway, you all really do mean a lot to me and a lot of you know who you are. Unfortunately, there's also many of you out there that don't know the difference you've made in my life or to my thoughts and my beliefs, some I may not speak with that much but I admire and learn from nonetheless. Lindaland is special in a way no place else can be and no matter how hard negativity tries to settle in and find itself a place here, it never will because so many of you are bright, shining stars to light up the darkest night.


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N_wEvil
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Cat
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posted August 07, 2003 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Heidi
I hope you're feeling better

I just wanted to post re you saying....
"I rarely even see the moderators involved at all lately?

Maybe Mars is pushing my "buttons" but I just needed to say that there's rarely a day that I don't post on this site.

I was very sad to read that you don't feel welcome in this place anymore and that you don't feel like you can talk openly or honestly for fear of being attacked for expressing your opinion

You also said that you used to come here to learn, but lately it seems that you can have better astrology discussions on an "InSync" message board. As you know, we do have the free astrology course but sadly with very little "audience participation"

To answer one of your questions - I don't know if you're resisting change, only you can really know that And yes I do think that you should speak up in order to exercise your freewill. What I would like to say though re should you wander off into the sunset without making your point - no I don't think you should do that but I do think you should be more specific as to what your point is. Please believe me when I say that I do not mean that in a bad way By way of explanation - I have just completed my certificate course in Gestalt & Humanistic counselling. The psychotherapist who taught the course always insisted on direct communication and not generalisation because when you generalise it's always up for misinterpretation.

I hope I'm making sense here. I just feel that something specific has upset you but I don't fully understand what that specific was.
Sue

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silverbells
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posted August 07, 2003 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverbells     Edit/Delete Message
I have been thinking about this exact subject lately because I am still deciding whether I have had a part in the negativity(don't rush me). I was wondering about things and I was thinking that what if someone does truly believe in peace and love and kittens but then alll of a sudden gets caught up in negative this and negative because they love being verbally quick and witty and cunning but; that verbal agility comes with remarks that can be interpreted as a series of cutting remarks. Supposing someone just likes to mentally and verbally play and it comes off as negative. Then is it negative because it hurts feelings or is it negative because it continues without consideration of someone's professed hurt or is it poitive because someone is glorying in their gift of verbal agility and cleverness and is not trying to hurt but only be agile and everyone should recognize it for what it is? But then the hurt person should not put their hurt feelings on the back burner, they should try to understand while acknowledging how they feel and then then the other try to understand while not putting ther mental and verbal acuity on the back burner. But then what happens when they both understand the other? Then do they change and sacrifice the parts of themselves that need the most "working out"? Or do they go through some kind of magical transmutation through love and understanding where neither one is sacrificed and both collective qualities of the respective side are sharpened and spread happiness to all? That is good, that is what I think it is, the thing that I just said.

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silverbells
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posted August 07, 2003 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverbells     Edit/Delete Message

"...and never let it gooooo not love, it's a shining star that's here to guide you. Every lover knows, you've got to hold on to this feeling inside you; let the feeling flow and I'm sure love will groooow" -I don't know who sang that song but I like it.

P.S. Heidi!!! I am sorry that any negative thing that I might have done hurt you or anyone else.
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Aphrodite
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posted August 07, 2003 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aphrodite     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Heidi,

I am wondering if *I* am part of the chaos you speak of (agenda mogul, self-proclaimed misinformed astrologer, etc. and etc). If so, let me know and I will do what it takes to remedy and get complete with it.

Thanks for sharing with us your vent. Were you were able to discern what you needed with all the kind responses you've gotten here? I am making a request for you to let us know, before making the possible choice to leaving.

I want to avoid loose ends.

The only thing I have in response with your post is: "Okay. Is there anything else?"

Thanks, and more for Spanky.

Aphrodite

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hrj777
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posted August 07, 2003 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hrj777     Edit/Delete Message
Silverbells ... ... you have never said anything that has upset me in any way. {{HUG}}

Aprodite, Cat ... the comments were by no means directed at you. I have great respect for both of you and your astrological knowledge.

I am sorry if my comments were interpreted the wrong way. I guess what I was trying to say, with regard to the moderators, was that this is a much nicer place when their presence is felt.

Am I making sense? (... stupid 12th house Mercury ... sorry Juni )

Cat ... I don't know anything about Gestalt & Humanistic counselling, but I do know that sometimes generalization is the only way to be politically correct. I do not want to point fingers and hurt feelings. I am just trying to express the way I feel in the best way that I can ... which is obviously, from reactions to my comments ... very badly ... (miserable Saturn/3rd ... sorry again Juni ... that is the way my brain works.)

Please understand that I wouldn't find it necessary to say the things that I have, if this place wasn't important to me.

I'm sure that many of you probably think that I am over reacting ... well, I don't think that anyone really understands how much this place means to me and you probably never will.

The only thing I can do is get out of the rain and wait for the storm to pass ... so I will go and read Goobers (for the 5th time) and maybe by the time I come back the sun will be shining in Lindaland again.

Heidi

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juniperb
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posted August 07, 2003 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
Heidi, I will miss , you but respect your needs. Enjoy Gooberz again Please feel free to e mail me if you ever want to chat. Hugs to you, Spanky and Petra.

Cat and Aphrodite, may I take this opportunity to tell you I`ve learned so much from you and respect your knowledge. Also, to thank you for your time and energy you share with us

Sunshyne, you`re the best. You have a way with words that just chokes me up.

Silverbells, your inquiring mind is refreshing!

juniperb

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StarLover33
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posted August 07, 2003 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarLover33     Edit/Delete Message
I think it's the sign of the times! The world is changing and so are we, I've seen this place go up and down, it will get better. Don't give up, the light always eats up the darkness.

-StarLover

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bauschd
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posted August 07, 2003 11:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bauschd     Edit/Delete Message
Ever since reading Star Signs I started to see magic. I lived in this sometimes completely negative world and could still think about living within myself where their is no negativity, and I can be happy. Almost a year ago I met my girlfriend (who was actually kind of my best-friends gf at the time) and now we live in *complete* happiness free from the worlds dark power in our own world. Then I came back here and found that there were many little elves speaking all of these great and positive things that I fell in love with this land. It fits with who I am. People in general that I've met have usually tried to harm others in some way, so I shrink from them. I end up almost isolating myself completely, I am rarely given the opportunity to be amazed at the beauty of human nature. I love this place. Sometimes there may be arguments in which negative vibes may enter, but I truly believe they will leave the better for it, so where's the crime? I just hope the residents of this wonderful land can remain strong enough to mirror the external darkness with their own enlightenment.

I love you guys...

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Lunargirl
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posted August 08, 2003 12:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lunargirl     Edit/Delete Message
Well I feel I've missed something important today by only discovering this thread now. Heidi, I hope whenever you're ready to come back, that you'll hook up to this thread again.

I am so sorry to hear the kind of distress you've been feeling about elements at Lindaland. I am also sorry if my posts are some of those that you consider negative. I hope not, but I'm no stranger to the podium, so I wonder if part of your concern might be something I said, or an attitude or approach of mine. Linda's teachings are part of my lexicon, but mine is a wider one, and I've learned from many teachers. I've been trying to be helpful.

Personally I haven't been at my best this summer. I've had a number of challenges and I've done the best I could with them. Perhaps my own stuff has spilled back into Lindaland. I've tried to keep on an even keel when I post, but not always succeeded. You make me wonder.

I've also missed the activity of moderators in some forums (although we hail the good work the 'present' moderators do!). Some are absent, from even before I joined in March. Personally I think this hurts the board. Good topics and questions get ignored, and some members' behaviour has gotten completely out of whack. With many faithful exceptions of course, in general nobody is listening to how Lindaland works, or listening to others as carefully as they seemed to. Especially many new members who seem to have "gimme" agendas, IMHO. I agree with you about the astro evangelists, but I'm troubled to think that I may have misunderstood the degree of devotion to Linda's teachings here, and that for you I may be part of the problem. I hope you'll let me know. I think the fact that Lindaland has worked at all in the past, as a volunteer board with unpaid moderators, is a miracle to begin with! The downside of an open system is, that people with agendas or who are negative can come in and try to hijack a bulletin board. The upside is that many wonderful people from all across the globe can connect.

Anyhow I too would appreciate hearing more from you about some of the things that are upsetting you. And if I'm partly at fault, to help make that better if I can. Please don't let the unaware or the idiots 'win' -- you can make them aware, at least, of how their behaviour affects you, and Lindaland.

I hope you return, Heidi, as I've enjoyed getting to know you, and I wish the best for you and Spanky & your Petra too.


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Aphrodite
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posted August 08, 2003 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aphrodite     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Heidi,

Actually . . . I remember you once saying that you worked nights and odd hours, which keeps you away from "regular" time when people hang out and do fun stuff. (Such a Cancer riser, such a Cancer riser). So you come here to read and post things I enjoy the quiet idea that we are all one big family . . . and we sure got our personalities.

Thanks for getting back to us. I have a little theory, but I'll just wait until you come back and see what happens.

for Spanky and Petra.

Mini update on Willard (you're so kind to read my little postings about him): He is eating now, yay! I changed his food to the brands Wellness (http://www.oldmotherhubbard.com/) and Natural Balance (http://www.naturalbalanceinc.com/). His eyes have cleared up and he's pooping regularly again. I suspect there were nutritional upsets he was communicating to us. He also had a session with a holistic health counselor for energy work, and counseling for several issues.

Oye, I love this cat so much.

Aphrodite

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Sylven
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posted August 08, 2003 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sylven     Edit/Delete Message
Heidi, we love you!
No worries, it'll be alright!

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trillian
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posted August 08, 2003 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
Heidi

I hope you find the peace of mind you seek, and hurry back.

To every thing there is a season, and a time for every purpose under heaven.



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hrj777
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posted August 08, 2003 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hrj777     Edit/Delete Message
To everyone who has responded to my comments ... you are all shining stars here in Lindaland ... Lunargirl, you are one of the brightest stars here ...

The people I am referring to know exactly who they are. There is no need for me to point fingers.

I have had some more bad news today regarding Spanky so I don't really know what to think or feel right now ... I am just numb.

I am going to wish for healing light for Lindaland ... the brightest light I can possibly imagine in hope that the darkness will go away.

Juniperb, Oxy, Trillian, Randall, SB, Sunshyne, NW, Cat, Silverbells, Aphrodite, Starlover, Bauschd, Lunargirl, and Sylven ...
I love you all very much. Believe it or not I feel closer to you all than my own family ... you guys know more about the real me than they do ...(isn't that pathetic) ... sad but true.

I won't be far ... I just need to be in a positive place right now ... I'll be back soon.

Love and Light,

Heidi

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WychOfAvalon
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posted August 09, 2003 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WychOfAvalon     Edit/Delete Message
I must have been luckily missing all the negativity

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silverbells
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posted August 09, 2003 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverbells     Edit/Delete Message
to Spanky and Heidi

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Lunargirl
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posted August 09, 2003 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lunargirl     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks, Heidi! You and so many others are very dear to me too, but no matter how close or far, always remember that when I do fluff up (human condition, ya know), that you can reel me in. I will listen.

And if you feel like getting back to this topic, to figure out what is happening, then maybe we can all figure out what may need to be done.

It is a pleasure to send more Light to you, and Spanky...


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hrj777
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posted August 10, 2003 06:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hrj777     Edit/Delete Message
Lunargirl ... you can't fool me! I know you are hiding your wings and your halo from us ... just like Juniperb.

Spanky has just been diagnosed with diabetes on top of all his other problems. When I have gotten over the fact that I have to stick a needle in my baby kitty every day maybe I can focus on Lindaland and make some suggestions as to how we can make things better around here again.

I have been trying to find a spell that I can use as part of the healing process for Lindaland but it has to be special. I can't find one that I like. Can anyone make any suggestions?

Love and Light,

Heidi

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