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trillian
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posted March 25, 2005 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
...is now available on DVD and VHS.

I urge you all to rent it (or buy it, for inevitible multiple viewings) and watch it. Now. Don't ask. Just do it.


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26taurus
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posted March 25, 2005 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
Will do! Thanks trill.

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Philbird
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posted March 25, 2005 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philbird     Edit/Delete Message
I enjoyed it! But I think I'll buy it too.

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Gooberzlostlovefound
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posted March 25, 2005 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gooberzlostlovefound     Edit/Delete Message
Ohhh I meant to see that but never got around to it! I was sad that I missed it.

I'm gonna rent it, thanks trillian for letting us know it's on video.

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posted March 26, 2005 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message
Can't wait to check it out!

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Aen
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posted March 27, 2005 07:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aen     Edit/Delete Message
Great!
Have been waiting it.

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SunChild
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posted March 27, 2005 07:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
We're behind in Australia- never heard of the film.
But I just checked out an overview from http://www.whatthebleep.com/synopsis/

And it sounds excellent!!!

As soon as it's in theatre- I'm there!

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posted March 27, 2005 07:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting tidbit!

I Create My Day

The most often referenced interview in the film is Dr. Joe Dispenza's comments on creating his day. In response to the numerous requests, the following is the transcript of that part of the interview.

"I wake up in the morning, and I consciously create my day the way I want it to happen. Now, sometimes, because my mind is examining all the things that I need to get done, it takes me a little bit to settle down, and get to the point, of where I'm actually intentionally creating my day. But here's the thing."

"When I create my day, and out of nowhere, little things happen that are so unexplainable, I know that they are the process or the result of my creation. And the more I do that, the more I build a neural net, in my brain, that I accept that that's possible. Gives me the power and the incentive to do it the next day."

"So, if we're consciously designing our destiny, if we're consciously, from a spiritual standpoint, throwing in what the idea that our thoughts can affect our reality or affect our life, because reality equals life. Then, I have this little pact that I have when I create my day."

"I say, I'm taking this time to create my day, and I'm infecting the Quantum Field. Now, if it is in fact, the observer's watching me the whole time that I'm doing this, and there is a spiritual aspect to myself. Then, show me a sign today, that you paid attention to any one of these things that I created, and bring them in a way that I won't expect."

"So, I'm as surprised as the- as the- at my ability to be able to experience these things, and make it so that I have no doubt that its come from you. And so, I live my life, in a sense, all day long, thinking about being a genius, or thinking about being the glory and the power of God, or thinking about being Unconditional Love."

"I'll use living as a genius, for example. And as I do that, during parts of the day, I'll have thoughts that are so amazing, that cause a chill in my physical body, that have come from nowhere. But then, I remember that that thought has an associated energy, that's produced an effect in my physical body."

"Now, that's a subjective experience, but the truth is is that I don't think that unless I was creating my day to have unlimited thought, that that thought would come."


(Dr. Joe Dispenza in What the BLEEP Do We Know!?TM)

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trillian
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posted March 27, 2005 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
You know, as much as I enjoyed the film, I am pragmatic at heart, and needed to research it further. It's important, to me, to see as many sides of things as I possibly can.

Are you familiar iwth Ramtha? I read some of his teachings years ago, and was mostly unimpressed. He is a disembodied spirit, allegedly channeled through JZ Knight. S/he figure prominently in the film. And what is unknown to most of us is that many of the experts in the film, including Dr. Joe Dispenza, are are followers, and teachers at the Ramtha School of Enlightenment.

Some people are accusing the filmmakers, who are also apparently students of Ramtha, of making the film as an agenda to support Ramtha propoganda. Other experts in the film were grossly misrepresented. http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2004/09/16/bleep/index1.html

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"Bleep" of faith | 1, 2, 3, 4


David Albert, a professor at the Columbia University physics department, has accused the filmmakers of warping his ideas to fit a spiritual agenda. "I don't think it's quite right to say I was 'tricked' into appearing," he said in a statement reposted by a critic on "What the Bleep's" Internet forum, "but it is certainly the case that I was edited in such a way as to completely suppress my actual views about the matters the movie discusses. I am, indeed, profoundly unsympathetic to attempts at linking quantum mechanics with consciousness. Moreover, I explained all that, at great length, on camera, to the producers of the film ... Had I known that I would have been so radically misrepresented in the movie, I would certainly not have agreed to be filmed."

"I certainly do not subscribe to the 'Ramtha School on Enlightenment,' whatever that is!" he finished. Albert provided Salon with an excerpt from a piece he's writing on the subject, in which he says, in part, "I'm unwittingly made to sound as if (maybe) I endorse its thesis."


When told of Albert's complaints, Gottlieb said, "I certainly don't see it," but acknowledged he's "not into the science 100 percent." At press time, the filmmakers issued an angry "Open Letter to the U.S. Media" in which it attacked the "intellectual smugness and superiority" of its critics. (You can download the PDF file here.)


This is long, but it too is of interest:

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Knight's role as the voice of Ramtha is the most striking -- but hardly the only -- omission of the film, which could easily be interpreted as a full-blown infomercial for Ramtha. Two other on-screen experts are not identified as Ramtha associates: Dr. Joe Dispenza, chiropractor and mystic, listed as a student on the Ramtha Web site; and a man identified only as "Dr. Miceal Ledwith."

Ledwith (at one time Monsignor Michael Ledwith) was once on track to be the next archbishop of Dublin, but the theologian stepped down as president of Maynooth College in 1994, after a complaint that he had sexually harassed a young seminarian. It was later revealed that Ledwith had allegedly paid an six-figure sum to a man who accused him of sexual abuse. Ledwith has maintained his innocence but left Ireland for the more placid confines of Monterey, Calif. On the "Bleep" Web site, Ledwith's relationship with the Catholic Church is only alluded to in a claim that he was once "charged with advising the Holy See on theological matters," but he is not identified as ever having been a priest, or even as a lecturer at the Ramtha school. According to a Ramtha Web site, Ledwith has joined "Ramtha's core of appointed teachers." (The Ramtha school and Ledwith have not responded to requests for interviews. The "Bleep" Web site recommends that journalists contact an independent publicist, but the movie previously listed as its P.R. contact Pavel Mikoloski, also director of public affairs for Ramtha's school.)

Later in the film, a "scientist" explains that, thanks to the strangeness quivering below the subatomic level, meditating monks have lowered the crime rate in Washington, D.C. But not until the end of the film do we learn that the scientist making this claim, John Hagelin -- who once ran for president -- conducted the research while teaching (until 1999) at Maharishi University, the school named for the Beatles' guru. In JZ Knight's own publications, Ramtha's existence, too, is frequently explained in terms of quantum mechanics.

Funding for the $5 million "Bleep," according to various published interviews with the film's creators, comes not from Ramtha but the software fortunes of director Arntz, who designed the job-management application AutoSys. Now popular in Unix environments, the program sold for more than $14 million in 1995. (Eerily, the startup money for AutoSys was also of Atlantean origin, or so the original investor claimed. A 1999 piece in Wired by David Diamond described the life and suicide of Frederick Lenz III, a guru in his own right, who called himself not Ramtha but Rama. The software mogul told those who rendezvoused with Rama that he'd taught meditation classes on Atlantis. Later, Lenz said his students were bent on his murder, and he plunged himself into the waters of Long Island Sound with a $30,000 watch on his wrist and 150 tabs of Valium in his bloodstream.)

On the film's Web site FAQ, the filmmakers answer the question of whether "Bleep" is a recruitment film coyly, stating that "the short answer is no. During the making of the film [originally to be titled 'Sacred Science'] it was decided that what was important was the message, not the messenger -- whoever that may be. Some people may be inspired to check out RSE, and some people may be inspired to major at MIT in quantum teleportation." (At press time, MIT was not yet offering such a major.)


There is a lot more you can find on the web. Perhaps I'll post more later. And For those who want to know, the knowledge is out there.

The film is still fascinating, to me. But...as I said. I like knowing.


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SunChild
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posted March 27, 2005 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
woah, very interesting!
Thanks Trillian!

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FishKitten
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posted March 28, 2005 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FishKitten     Edit/Delete Message
I LOVED LOVED LOVED this film. Funny, Trillian...I thought of recommending it to you! And like you, I wasn't too enthused with the Ramtha stuff 20 years ago...but I did think JZ Knight represented herself well in this film. The science part is factually correct and the connections to religion, god, and the secrets of the ancient mystics are things I have been trying to explain to people for decades. I'm glad to see it is reaching more people now. Of course, I did have one sort of rampant thought during the film...if I am creating my own reality, why the heck did I put this musical dance sequence with the IVs in this movie???

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26taurus
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posted March 28, 2005 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
Great info trillian and Sun. Thanks.

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Solane Star
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posted March 29, 2005 07:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
I went out last week to rent some movies for the evening and don't realize what I had until I got home and sat on couch ready to watch a movie. I thought that my husband would of been disapointed in the fact that it wasn't a movie but "What The Bleep Did We Know..." I liked it and my husband said that he felt like he was listening to Coast to coast radio, he really liked it.

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posted March 30, 2005 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teaselbaby     Edit/Delete Message
My mother and I watched this movie this afternoon ~ we both really enjoyed it.

Angela

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Solane Star
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posted April 05, 2005 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.whatthebleep.com/

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SunChild
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posted April 06, 2005 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
I downloaded the study manual from there, just out of curiosity!

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posted April 06, 2005 05:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aen     Edit/Delete Message
Just love the film. Enjoyed watching it a LOT. Only complaint - I'd really wish to see ALL the interviews in full.

Trillian,

Thank you for the info. Was about to do some digging myself, but came her first

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trillian
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posted April 06, 2005 08:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
BTW, there are interviews with some of the makers of the film and those involved with it on the flip side of the DVD. It was put on the market so quickly, they overlooked labeling it as such. I didn't have time to watch them, but I will.

Those of you who watched it, what are your impressions? Are you familiar with Ramtha and JZ Knight, and if so, what are your thoughts on him/her? Who was your favorite interview?

And...how far down the Rabbit Hole do you want to go?

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trillian
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posted June 17, 2005 09:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
Blue Roamer, bringing this to the top for you.

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