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T O P I C R E V I E WLoveWhat do you think all these Arabic Parts would mean in a natal chart, synastry chart, composite chart, progressed chart, etc? http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/arabicparts/index.php Some are clear, like, maybe Part of Friends or Part of Marriage.But what about Part of Death? Would that imply a real death if Pluto transited over that degree and sign or would it really just be the death of something emotional or psychological? Perhaps the death of a relationship? A pet?Here are some other Parts I thought were interesting since some are open to interpretation:Part of Life/ReincarnationPart of Weddings (can anyone verify this?)Part of AddictionPart of VictoryPart of SpiritPart of Reasoning/ActionPart of Tragedy and Part of Fate are the same calculations (so would this indicate that the fateful event could only be tragic?)Part of HappinessPart of Possessions (My P. of Possessions is conjunct my ex's Moon for example - haha)I'm curious to know what experience people have had with Arabic Parts and how accuate you have found them to be.GeminiLover75Well I've never really felt that it's in my best psychological interests to look at the 'scarier' Parts, lol. But I've looked at various other ones, the one that springs to mind is Part of Marriage - my bf's is exactly conjunct my sun, which is interesting. From what I've heard of other people's experiences, the Part of Marriage in synastry doesn't always play out as a fated event, it's more like a possibility that may or may not happen. Another one I just remembered is that my Part of Mother is conjunct my mother's sun.jkxxThe part of fortune is waay too confusing to get right ;-)And just too add to the death comment with Pluto transiting, I've read it as the possibility coming up with Saturn and not Pluto transits the part of Death. Haven't seen much concrete support for either theory either way.LoveGeminiLover ~ that's really interesting about your Part of Mother. As for Part of Marriage, I'd be really interested to hear if people who are already married have planets or angles conjuncting their partner's POM.jkxx ~ I've read different things about astrology/death. I do recall reading something about Jim Henson (I think it was) dying and I think he might of had Saturn moving through his 8th house. I can't remember. But I guess when you stick Saturn and a Pluto ruled house together, that makes sense.Do you think that Part of Death would necessarily mean actual death though? Could it maybe mean just the death of a way of thinking, the death of a relationship, the death of an idea or project?Also, what would Life/Reincarnation mean? Maybe the same thing as death but the opposite? Like a new relationship, a new way of seeing the world, etc?Marinahmm... the part of death conjuncts my AC GeminiLover75From memory, I'm pretty sure my Part of Father conjuncts my Mars in the fourth house - interesting because Mars in 4th can represent trouble in early life, and indeed it was in early life that my parents divorced (and so of course, my father left my home, ie the 4th house).LoveHmmmmm...this is getting more interesting.I checked into the 2 couples I have on my list on astro.com. One couple has been married for years and are unhappy and the other couple has not been married long but are very happy.What I found (although faaaaar from conclusive) is funny:"Allison" and "Dave" have their Parts of Marriage conjuncting each other's True Black Moon. They married a few years ago. "Jean" and "John" have been married for decades, are not happy together at all, and "John's" Part of Marriage conjuncts "Jean's" True Black Moon. Marina ~ do you change your look often? Or the way you appear to others? I really am really determined to see how reliable these parts actually are...or if they might appear more within the context of transits.GeminiLover ~ that's pretty interesting...That leads me to what I'm also wondering about in terms of the Parts: do they maybe have some room for interpretation, like Sabian Symbols?GeminiLover75I would imagine, based on the Parts I've looked at, that the interpretation of the Part itself would depend on what planets the Part is aspected by and in which house the Part is (eg in the case of my Part of Father conjuncting my natal Mars in 4th). I'll need to look at some of my other Arabic Parts again to get further confirmation of this theory, but I'm pretty sure this would have a lot of bearing on the interp.GeminiLover75Here's an old thread on Arabic Parts. Most people here were looking at the Parts in the usual way we would look at planets in synastry. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/011578.html See if this gives any insights. In any case I'm curious to look more into this again. GeminiLover75Ah, also... http://www-personal.umich.edu/~pfa/dreamhouse/attic/lots/interp.html From the above site: quote:In addition, remember that the formula are designed to express the symbolic interaction of the components, and that the resulting degree is stimulated by activity regarding those components. This is often a clue to interpretation. As a general rule of thumb, do not use formulas which are not strictly applicable to the question at hand. The exception to this, is when you choose a specific part for study and analysis across the board, and calculate it for all charts you encounter. Last, but far from least, a part may represent any or all of the following:The native's attitude toward the subject of the part. The way the subject is expressed in the native's life, including the native's susceptibility to prominence of the topic, or lack of prominence. The way the native behaves or reacts to the part being triggered, or the subject being brought up. The native's hopes, fears, dreams, and so forth regarding the subject. For example, the Part of Marriage may show whether a person seeks or fears marriage; what they desire in a potential marriage partner; the types of experiences they may have as a married person; and the type of partner they will become while married. So yes it looks like the interpretation can vary!MarinaLoveI wouldn't say that I change my entire look often but I do change my hair colour often ErickaFdon't know why but I don't really believe much in the arabic parts. GeminiLover75Maybe because they're an old-style astrology and they have parts for things like Beheading. I find their placements in my chart to be very interesting, but I'm not sure yet how they play out exactly. I definitely think there is *something* to them but I'm not sure yet just what, apart from being indicators of potentials.My Part of Abundance is at 21 degrees Gemini, conjunct my Venus (within 6 degrees) and conjunct my bf's Mercury (exact)... his is in my 7th house conjunct my Saturn (within 6 degrees). I have no idea what this could mean. Maybe there is potential for he and I to create a good financial flow somehow? With partnership, hard work, and his communication skills combined with my aesthetic sense??? Somehow I think I am stretching this... do you think? Or maybe there is something in it...jane Get this...these are all 3º orbs or less...My P. of Father opposes my dad's Moon.My P. of Mother opposes my mom's Moon.If that didn't freak me out enough, my bf has the exact same pattern with his parents! Not only that, we also both have our P. of Mother conjunct Karma. My sister has her P. of Mother in the same sign as our mom's sun, & she has her P. of Father in the sign opposing our dad's moon.My brother has his P. of Mother conjunct our mom's N.Node & he has his P. of Father opposing our dad's Moon.Wow.
Some are clear, like, maybe Part of Friends or Part of Marriage.
But what about Part of Death? Would that imply a real death if Pluto transited over that degree and sign or would it really just be the death of something emotional or psychological? Perhaps the death of a relationship? A pet?
Here are some other Parts I thought were interesting since some are open to interpretation:
Part of Life/ReincarnationPart of Weddings (can anyone verify this?)Part of AddictionPart of VictoryPart of SpiritPart of Reasoning/ActionPart of Tragedy and Part of Fate are the same calculations (so would this indicate that the fateful event could only be tragic?)Part of HappinessPart of Possessions (My P. of Possessions is conjunct my ex's Moon for example - haha)
I'm curious to know what experience people have had with Arabic Parts and how accuate you have found them to be.
Another one I just remembered is that my Part of Mother is conjunct my mother's sun.
And just too add to the death comment with Pluto transiting, I've read it as the possibility coming up with Saturn and not Pluto transits the part of Death. Haven't seen much concrete support for either theory either way.
jkxx ~ I've read different things about astrology/death. I do recall reading something about Jim Henson (I think it was) dying and I think he might of had Saturn moving through his 8th house. I can't remember. But I guess when you stick Saturn and a Pluto ruled house together, that makes sense.
Do you think that Part of Death would necessarily mean actual death though? Could it maybe mean just the death of a way of thinking, the death of a relationship, the death of an idea or project?
Also, what would Life/Reincarnation mean? Maybe the same thing as death but the opposite? Like a new relationship, a new way of seeing the world, etc?
I checked into the 2 couples I have on my list on astro.com. One couple has been married for years and are unhappy and the other couple has not been married long but are very happy.
What I found (although faaaaar from conclusive) is funny:
"Allison" and "Dave" have their Parts of Marriage conjuncting each other's True Black Moon. They married a few years ago.
"Jean" and "John" have been married for decades, are not happy together at all, and "John's" Part of Marriage conjuncts "Jean's" True Black Moon.
Marina ~ do you change your look often? Or the way you appear to others? I really am really determined to see how reliable these parts actually are...or if they might appear more within the context of transits.
GeminiLover ~ that's pretty interesting...That leads me to what I'm also wondering about in terms of the Parts: do they maybe have some room for interpretation, like Sabian Symbols?
See if this gives any insights. In any case I'm curious to look more into this again.
From the above site:
quote:In addition, remember that the formula are designed to express the symbolic interaction of the components, and that the resulting degree is stimulated by activity regarding those components. This is often a clue to interpretation. As a general rule of thumb, do not use formulas which are not strictly applicable to the question at hand. The exception to this, is when you choose a specific part for study and analysis across the board, and calculate it for all charts you encounter. Last, but far from least, a part may represent any or all of the following:The native's attitude toward the subject of the part. The way the subject is expressed in the native's life, including the native's susceptibility to prominence of the topic, or lack of prominence. The way the native behaves or reacts to the part being triggered, or the subject being brought up. The native's hopes, fears, dreams, and so forth regarding the subject. For example, the Part of Marriage may show whether a person seeks or fears marriage; what they desire in a potential marriage partner; the types of experiences they may have as a married person; and the type of partner they will become while married.
The native's attitude toward the subject of the part. The way the subject is expressed in the native's life, including the native's susceptibility to prominence of the topic, or lack of prominence. The way the native behaves or reacts to the part being triggered, or the subject being brought up. The native's hopes, fears, dreams, and so forth regarding the subject. For example, the Part of Marriage may show whether a person seeks or fears marriage; what they desire in a potential marriage partner; the types of experiences they may have as a married person; and the type of partner they will become while married.
So yes it looks like the interpretation can vary!
I wouldn't say that I change my entire look often but I do change my hair colour often
My Part of Abundance is at 21 degrees Gemini, conjunct my Venus (within 6 degrees) and conjunct my bf's Mercury (exact)... his is in my 7th house conjunct my Saturn (within 6 degrees). I have no idea what this could mean. Maybe there is potential for he and I to create a good financial flow somehow? With partnership, hard work, and his communication skills combined with my aesthetic sense??? Somehow I think I am stretching this... do you think? Or maybe there is something in it...
My sister has her P. of Mother in the same sign as our mom's sun, & she has her P. of Father in the sign opposing our dad's moon.My brother has his P. of Mother conjunct our mom's N.Node & he has his P. of Father opposing our dad's Moon.
Wow.
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