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T O P I C R E V I E WDDRobert Blashke wrote this about the heliocentric zodiac:"This Sun-centeredmodel generates a horoscope that symbolizes one's Christ Consciousness, or one'sHigher Self. This chart, without a Sun position, operates at a level of reality where there is no individual ego, but only one's Higher Self serving a larger purpose, such as Love, Truth or Beauty. This writer recommends viewing the Heliocentric nativityas representing all that is virtuous within the individual, as if he were operating frompure Spirit." http://www.earthwalkastrology.com/images/Secrets%20of%20the%20Zodiac.pdf So I was thinking, if the heliocentric zodiac is indicative of the Higher Self or spiriual dimension, then it should show strong connections in the comparision between soulmates (as I think we agree that soulmates are a very spiritual concept; at least this is the one thing I have read in everything I read on this matter, no matter if here on LL or in articles, and it is in agreement with what I think).So I was comparing some heliocentric synastries with each other (only three, because, honestly, it is a lot of work); I compared only helio to helio, cause I think that the Higher Selves of soulmates are in talk with each other, from spirit to spirit (of course the cross connections to tropical are valid, too).These were my parameters of investigation:aspects: conjunction, opposition, trine, sextile, square, quinkunxorbs: conjunction and opposition: 3 degreestrine and square: 2 degreessextile and quinkunx: 1 degreeI was looking for:a) direct soulmate pair aspectsI considered as soulmate pairs:Jupiter - JunoEros - PsycheAmor - PsychePluto - Persephone / ProserpinaPluto - Valentine (not a real soulmate pairing, but as IQ stated, it seems to be a strong connection)Isis - OsirisI added to that KARMA and ANGEL (to me Angel indicates Higher Self guidance per se, so I couldn`t leave it out of the Higher Self chart now, could I?)b) linked soulmate pairingsExample:His Pluto conjunct her Venushis Venus trine her Persephone- this would be a Pluto-Persephone soulmate aspect over Venus; of course the linking planet would influence the interpretationI considered as "linking objects":planets, Chiron, Amor, Valentine ( I did NOT consider links through Isis for example, as Isis is strongest as a pair of the soulmate pairing, whereas Amor seems to be strong and significant on its own, a generic love asteroid; maybe Eros, Psyche and Juno could serve as linking objects, too)With the linked soulmate pairings I only counted those, where at least ONE of the aspects was a conjunction, opposition, trine or sextile.c) Double Whammiesd) patternsWith that I mean patterns that have a conjunction as a "hook". So I look up the conjunctions and see what aspects are being made to that conjunction.Here I didn`t count all the aspects, but tried to grasp the emphasis.For example: if I saw a majority of sextiles or trines coupled with the conjunction I left out the occasional square (even though it would be interesting to interprete).And if I saw mainly oppositions and squares, I left out an occasional sextile.I wanted to see a clear emphasis.Patterns which involve soulmate pairings seem to me to be the strongest, especially if there are many positive aspects included in that pattern.mermaid26I like your thinking and will have to investigate. So the harmonic balance of oppositions are the happy medium, victorious in mastering the lower selves. A triumphant reward for lots of hard work. A reason to keep striving toward ascension.DD(1)Robert Browning - Elizabeth Barrett BrowningShe was an elder, sickly poetress, who was still living with her tyrant father and had resigned to an isolated life.He admired her work, wrote to her; they became friends, but quickly he started to make her avances and wanted to marry her. At first she was reluctant, as he was a young man and she saw herself as a sick elder woman, a "hopeless case". He didn`t give up though, and they married against her father`s will and went abroad, where they lived happily for 16 years, until she died.As far as I know he never remarried.a) direct soulmate pairshis Pluto square her Proserpinahis Eros trine her Psycheb) linked soulmate pairingshis Venus conjunct her ERoshis Psyche conjunct her Venushis Pluto opposite her Eroshis Psyche opposite her Plutohis Pluto opposite her Junohis Jupiter trine her Plutohis Valentine square her Osirishis Isis trine her Valentinec) Double Whammieshis Juno trine her Angelhis Angel conjunct her Junod)Patternshis Venus conjunct her Eroshis Venus trine her Chironhis pLuto opposite her Eroshis Angel conjunct her Eroshis Valentine trine her Eroshis Amor conjunct her Chironhis Pluto opposite her Junohis Valentine trine her Junohis Angel conjunct her JunoThis is really an ENORMOUS pattern with all these planets / asteroids tightly and positively aspecting each other!His Venus and Amor are in positive aspect to her Chiron - and indeed his love had a healing influence on her. During the time they were together her health was much better than before.As I just read he was "a one-man refutation of virtually all of her anxieties." His Pluto in aspect to all of this might indicate his passion and the way he was transformed and transformed her as well, and also an indicator that he would not give up.Her Eros and Juno in aspect to his planets seem to show that this marriage, which was pervaded by creativity, romantic as well as sexual love contributed much to her healing.And it also was a clear sign that this would not stay a platonic admiration from afar.With his Angel, Amor and Valentine there, he loved her unconditionally, BUT with his Pluto he was also a very passionate man, who knew what he wanted I think.his Psyche conjunct her Venushis Psyche opposite her Plutohis Neptune square her Venushis Neptune square her PlutoMmh, could it be he overidolized her a little bit? Both of them had Venus-Pluto-aspects in their heliocentric natals.Both were oppositions; his was about 4 degrees, hers was as exact as can be.Both natal Venus-Pluto aspects were intervowen into strong patterns.So I think their natural ability for passionate and deep transforming love as well as devotion to creativity / art was freed by their coming together. Laraok. You know how i always mess these up but here goes SOUL MATE ASPECTSHis JUPITER opp my JUNO 3His PSYCHE square my AMOR 2His AMOR cj my PSYCHE 1LINKEDhis VALENTINE cj my EROS 1his EROS sextile my VALENTINE 3His AMOR cj her PSYCHE 1His PSYCHE quincunx her AMOR 1his EROS quincunx her KARMA 1his KARMA cj her PSYCHE 2her EROS sextile his PERSEPHONE 2her PERSEPHONE cj his PSYCHE 2 his PSYCHE square her ANGEL 2his ANGEL square her EROS 3PATTERNSHis VALENTINE cj her EROSHis VALENTINE quincunx her PROSERPINAHis PROSPERINA square her PLUTOHis PROSERPINA square her CHIRONHis PROSERPINA trine her EROSHis PERSEPHONE sextile her EROSHis VENUS quincunx her CHIRONHis JUPITER sextile her CHIRONHis PSYCHE square her ANGELHis PSYCHE quincunx her AMORHis PSYCHE trine her PERSEPHONEHis PSYCHE trine her PLUTODW'shis VALENTINE cj her EROShis EROS sextile her VALENTINEhis AMOR cj her PSYCHEhis PSYCHE quincunx her AMORhis PLUTO sextile her PSYCHEhis PSYCHE trine her PLUTOhis VALENTINE cj her EROShis EROS sextile her VALENTINEDDLara,I was just starting researching this theory (important pairings in heliocentric zodiac in long lasting relationships, that are often referred to as soulmates).I don΄t even know if it is a valid way to interprete, even though in the one case I posted it seems to make sense.Anyway, let me look over your list:"SOUL MATE ASPECTSHis JUPITER opp my JUNO 3His PSYCHE square my AMOR 2His AMOR cj my PSYCHE 1"Those are in heliocentric, right?I like the Amor-Psyche conjunction, it seems it is an underestimated aspect, as I have seen it pretty often in so called "soulmate-couples"."LINKEDhis VALENTINE cj my EROS 1his EROS sextile my VALENTINE 3"That is not a linked soulmate aspects; besides the orb of the sextile is too wide - and yes I am strict with the orbs in this case, cause if I allow wide orbs for one couple, there are no longer the same conditions / rules applicable, and thus the whole research will be "out of balance".It is a very neat DW you have there, though. "His AMOR cj her PSYCHE 1His PSYCHE quincunx her AMOR 1"Another nice DW, even though I never know what to think of the quinkunx. I tend to not consider it most of the times, unless it is part of a DW with another strong aspect, like in your case."his EROS quincunx her KARMA 1his KARMA cj her PSYCHE 2"That is a linked soulmate aspect. Aye!"her EROS sextile his PERSEPHONE 2her PERSEPHONE cj his PSYCHE "I do not consider Persephone as a "linking" object, as Persephone usually is seen only and strongly as a part of a soulmate aspect, but doesn`t seem to have as strong individual influence in love synastries as Valentine for example. (Of course Persephone always relates to abductions and "coming of age" processes and even witchcraft)"his PSYCHE square her ANGEL 2his ANGEL square her EROS 3"Sorry, the second orb is too wide.WEll, but even if I considered it, I am not sure about how to interprete squares in the Helio."PATTERNSFor my research I only considered patterns consisting of the planets, Chiron, Karma, Angel, Amor, Valentine, Eros, Psyche and Juno (as these seem to be very significant on "their own" in synastries). I also roughly divided between harmonious patterns (conjunction, trine, sextile with an occasional opposition) and challenging patterns (conjunction, opposition, square).So I probably would put the most emphasis onHis VALENTINE cj her EROSHis JUPITER sextile her CHIRONHis PSYCHE trine her PLUTO"But to be honest that doesn`t really look like a pattern like I had it in mind.What I had in mind was that all the planets / asteroids in a pattern are aspecting each other.Like he would be having natally aspects between Jupiter, Psyche and Valentine, and you would be having natally aspects between Eros, Chiron and Pluto and those would aspect each other.BUT in a pattern usually if his Valentine conjunct your Eros AND if his Valentine is aspecting his own Psyche, then his Psyhce would also be aspecting your Eros, do you understand what I mean?The only way that it does NOT aspect your Eros, too, would be either that there is no natal aspect between Psyche and Valentine in his chart (then we probably do not have a pattern or "closed circuit" though) OR the orbs may be a little too wide.Let me give you the exact positions in Robert Brownings and Elisabeth Barret Browning`s case:The harmonious pattern I found was:his Venus conjunct her Eroshis Venus trine her Chironhis pLuto opposite her Eroshis Angel conjunct her Eroshis Valentine trine her Eroshis Amor conjunct her Chironhis Pluto opposite her Junohis Valentine trine her Junohis Angel conjunct her JunoNow the positions were:his Venus:22 Virgohis pluto: 18 Pisceshis Angel: 19 Virgohis Valentine: 19 Taurushis Amor: 23 Capricornher Eros: 19 Virgoher Chiron: 22 Capricornher Juno: 18 VirgoIn the natals some orbs are a bit wider, but all the mentioned synastry aspects are within the orbs I told I would use, some are actually VERY close."his PLUTO sextile her PSYCHEhis PSYCHE trine her PLUTO"I like that one. I mean I love Pluto-Psyche on its own, but as a harmonious DW it must be beautiful.janeEasy to test - how do our souls connect? DDYou mean, you and me, Jane? Your Uranus is shaking me up. This is my helio chart; if I see it right we have a widish Psyche-Psyche-conjunction in Pisces. jane"Wide-ish"? It's only a degree. You're so strict with orbs! Well, maybe you'll be more liberal with that orb once I tell you that in our tropicals we also have Psyche cnj Psyche. The conjuction is in Aqua in Tropical Land.My Eros is cnj your Flower Pot, as running_bull so aptly named it. That's Juno, right? Ooh baby, you know what I like! DDLet`s see:SOULMATE pairings:your PLUTO exact sextile my PROSERPINAyour PSYCHE exact trine my AMOR(your ISIS quinkunx my OSIRIS)CONJUNCTIONS: (I don`t have time, so this is the short version of the comparision))Your NEPTUNE conjunct my MERCURY (I KNEW it! You ARE in my head! lol)your PSYCHE conjunct my PSYCHE, - in PISCES! - more telepathy?your EROS conjunct my JUNOyour URANUS conjunct my MARSyour URANUS conjunct my VALENTINENice harmonious TRINES - I have a flaw for trines because of the same elements:your VENUS trines my KARMA exact (Air)your PLUTO trine my KARMA (Air)- Grand trine in AIRThis is actually a KITE as your NEPTUNE opposes my KARMA Exactly!your PSYCHE trine my AMOR exact (water)your JUNO trine my AMOR exact (water) your JUNO trine my PSYCHE (water) -GRAND TRINEyour CHIRON trine my ISIS (earth)your AMOR trine my JUPITER exact (water)your AMOR trine my MARS exact (water)-we have TWO Grand trines in water! Both involve AMORyour MARS trine my ANGELyour URANUS trines my JUPITER DDJane,a transdimensional Psyche-Psyche-conjunction? Oh wow! I did not know that; you kept it a secret, you you Scorpio, you! But I had a hunch, I admit it. Eros-Juno in ARIES. But do not get too enthusiastic, my SATURN is exactly squaring my JUNO (and in tropical it is an exact trine), which means my SATURN probably puts a dampener onto your Eros.And if I see it right your EROS is on the Kundalini degree, so I guess it doesn`t want to be "dampened". janeMy Eros can't be dampened. Thanks for catching all those aspects! I'll comment after I get a chance to read them more closely.LaraSorry DD - i always mess these things up - i get too enthusiastic I'll have to write a longer post tomorrow as i'm on my mobile - lost my computer charger!(hard to type on this thing)Thanks for looking at my aspects Deux*AntaresDD, what is the Kundalini degree? Is it a fixed thing like GC and SGC?DDLara,I understand that about getting enthusiastic. Actually I am really itching to look at the helio comparision with Jude, and these other men I have been having "prophetic dreams" about. But I fear that would influence my research and make it difficult to stay objective, so I am keeping this for last. Deux,I was referring to the Sabian degree. 13-14 ARies, if I am not mistaken, is the SAbian of "a serpent coiling near a man and a woman", and this relates to Kundalini rising.I guess having ERos there in the helios really emphasises the meaning of EROS in its purest sense.janeDD -Thanks again for doing all the work. I like those aspect patterns we make! I was going to ask if you look at those in synastry the same as I do, then remembered I can assume you do. I think the general consensus is that it's the person whose own trine is being turned into a grand trine (etc) who feels the pattern the strongest. But I don't think they're the only one getting something out of the experience. The missing link person feels the importance of the piece she's providing, like it's meant for the other person.Like in our GT with your Jupiter-Mars and my Amor, my Amor will energize and fulfill your own Jupiter and Mars. So you're going to be feeling really good. *lights DD's cigarrette* Meanwhile I will feel my own Amor energy strongly. I'll feel like I'm meant to express that part of myself with you. In our other GT, it's an even split. We're both the missing link and the foundation.The kite's interesting because I have one w/o your chart, but your Karma makes that kite even tighter. If we break it down to the GT, it's your karma to get my Venus and Pluto energies flowing. I guess we could say that the Neptune opp shows how I express those energies to you, in a spiritually loving sorta way? Or obnoxiously delusional, take your pick. quote:Oh wow! I did not know that; you kept it a secret, you you Scorpio, you! But I had a hunch, I admit it.You had a hunch because I'm pretty sure I told you about that before, lol. DDJane,"I think the general consensus is that it's the person whose own trine is being turned into a grand trine (etc) who feels the pattern the strongest. But I don't think they're the only one getting something out of the experience. The missing link person feels the importance of the piece she's providing, like it's meant for the other person."Exactly how I see it myself. But you knew that before. I have a Grand trine in Earth with someone; my Venus is trining his Venus-Pluto-trine, but I certainly feel it myself quite strongly.Actually his Venus-Aphrodite-Karma-conjunction trines his Pluto-myHekate-myLilith and this again trines my Venus-Isis-Osiris. lol(his Venus-Karmaconjunction falls onto my PoM and Eros/Psyche-mp and Lucifer, too. lol)"ike in our GT with your Jupiter-Mars and my Amor, my Amor will energize and fulfill your own Jupiter and Mars. So you're going to be feeling really good." I do. always feel good talking to you.DDActually I like it that my Mars trines my Jupiter, and that both sextile my Venus. And my Valentine conjuncts my Mars and sextiles my Venus as well. So I seem to have a harmonious pattern of Venus-Valentine-Mars-Jupiter in helio. I like that. " I'll feel like I'm meant to express that part of myself with you. "How sweet!You can`t help loving me. "t's your karma to get my Venus and Pluto energies flowing."I wonder what helio Karma means?"I guess we could say that the Neptune opp shows how I express those energies to you, in a spiritually loving sorta way? Or obnoxiously delusional, take your pick."LOLProbably a bit of both, but since this is the helio chart, I pick the spiritual side of Neptune."You had a hunch because I'm pretty sure I told you about that before, lol."That could be. But I am never sure what you actively TOLD me and what is just in my HEAD that you might have said. Mercury-Neptune I guess. janeDD - quote:But I am never sure what you actively TOLD me and what is just in my HEAD that you might have said. Mercury-Neptune I guessFunny you should say that because as I typed my comment I thought, "Maybe I only thought about telling her this and never actually did?" quote:So I seem to have a harmonious pattern of Venus-Valentine-Mars-Jupiter in helio. I like that.I like that about you too. Must be my natal [Jupiter cnj Mars] trine Venus that makes me so comfortable w/ others who have a similar energy.I'm getting "Age of Aquarius" in my head...when the Moon is in the 7th house and Jupiter aligns with Mars. Since the helio lacks houses we can just go ahead and assign them ourselves and say that your Moon is in that house. That earth GT you have with your mystery fella sounds delicious. [Isis cnj Osiris] cnj your Venus...It's like you innately know the best of what committed love can be. A blessing and a curse, since you know the ideal and so much in life doesn't match that ideal. But I think it's great that your Venus is in Cap. In another sign, you may so badly want that ideal that you allow yourself to be fooled into believing you've found it with someone when you really haven't. Cap appreciates what's real only when it is real. quote:I wonder what helio Karma means?As do I. I suppose we could say that even at this "higher self" level, our spirit has history & is sculpted from that history. edit: It does get more complicated since this level supposedly lacks an individual ego...but we all have our own helio, so there is a type of individuality to it. Perhaps our helio is simply the part of ourselves most aware of our immersion in all others and all others in us.JovianbumperooJovianMoving to the asteroid board? How 'bout it?
"This Sun-centeredmodel generates a horoscope that symbolizes one's Christ Consciousness, or one'sHigher Self. This chart, without a Sun position, operates at a level of reality where there is no individual ego, but only one's Higher Self serving a larger purpose, such as Love, Truth or Beauty. This writer recommends viewing the Heliocentric nativityas representing all that is virtuous within the individual, as if he were operating frompure Spirit." http://www.earthwalkastrology.com/images/Secrets%20of%20the%20Zodiac.pdf
So I was thinking, if the heliocentric zodiac is indicative of the Higher Self or spiriual dimension, then it should show strong connections in the comparision between soulmates (as I think we agree that soulmates are a very spiritual concept; at least this is the one thing I have read in everything I read on this matter, no matter if here on LL or in articles, and it is in agreement with what I think).
So I was comparing some heliocentric synastries with each other (only three, because, honestly, it is a lot of work); I compared only helio to helio, cause I think that the Higher Selves of soulmates are in talk with each other, from spirit to spirit (of course the cross connections to tropical are valid, too).
These were my parameters of investigation:
aspects: conjunction, opposition, trine, sextile, square, quinkunx
orbs: conjunction and opposition: 3 degreestrine and square: 2 degreessextile and quinkunx: 1 degree
I was looking for:
a) direct soulmate pair aspects
I considered as soulmate pairs:Jupiter - JunoEros - PsycheAmor - PsychePluto - Persephone / ProserpinaPluto - Valentine (not a real soulmate pairing, but as IQ stated, it seems to be a strong connection)Isis - Osiris
I added to that KARMA and ANGEL (to me Angel indicates Higher Self guidance per se, so I couldn`t leave it out of the Higher Self chart now, could I?)
b) linked soulmate pairings
Example:His Pluto conjunct her Venushis Venus trine her Persephone
- this would be a Pluto-Persephone soulmate aspect over Venus; of course the linking planet would influence the interpretation
I considered as "linking objects":planets, Chiron, Amor, Valentine ( I did NOT consider links through Isis for example, as Isis is strongest as a pair of the soulmate pairing, whereas Amor seems to be strong and significant on its own, a generic love asteroid; maybe Eros, Psyche and Juno could serve as linking objects, too)
With the linked soulmate pairings I only counted those, where at least ONE of the aspects was a conjunction, opposition, trine or sextile.
c) Double Whammies
d) patternsWith that I mean patterns that have a conjunction as a "hook". So I look up the conjunctions and see what aspects are being made to that conjunction.Here I didn`t count all the aspects, but tried to grasp the emphasis.For example: if I saw a majority of sextiles or trines coupled with the conjunction I left out the occasional square (even though it would be interesting to interprete).And if I saw mainly oppositions and squares, I left out an occasional sextile.I wanted to see a clear emphasis.
Patterns which involve soulmate pairings seem to me to be the strongest, especially if there are many positive aspects included in that pattern.
She was an elder, sickly poetress, who was still living with her tyrant father and had resigned to an isolated life.He admired her work, wrote to her; they became friends, but quickly he started to make her avances and wanted to marry her. At first she was reluctant, as he was a young man and she saw herself as a sick elder woman, a "hopeless case". He didn`t give up though, and they married against her father`s will and went abroad, where they lived happily for 16 years, until she died.As far as I know he never remarried.
a) direct soulmate pairs
his Pluto square her Proserpinahis Eros trine her Psyche
his Venus conjunct her ERoshis Psyche conjunct her Venus
his Pluto opposite her Eroshis Psyche opposite her Pluto
his Pluto opposite her Junohis Jupiter trine her Pluto
his Valentine square her Osirishis Isis trine her Valentine
his Juno trine her Angelhis Angel conjunct her Juno
d)Patterns
his Venus conjunct her Eroshis Venus trine her Chironhis pLuto opposite her Eroshis Angel conjunct her Eroshis Valentine trine her Eroshis Amor conjunct her Chironhis Pluto opposite her Junohis Valentine trine her Junohis Angel conjunct her Juno
This is really an ENORMOUS pattern with all these planets / asteroids tightly and positively aspecting each other!His Venus and Amor are in positive aspect to her Chiron - and indeed his love had a healing influence on her. During the time they were together her health was much better than before.As I just read he was "a one-man refutation of virtually all of her anxieties." His Pluto in aspect to all of this might indicate his passion and the way he was transformed and transformed her as well, and also an indicator that he would not give up.Her Eros and Juno in aspect to his planets seem to show that this marriage, which was pervaded by creativity, romantic as well as sexual love contributed much to her healing.And it also was a clear sign that this would not stay a platonic admiration from afar.With his Angel, Amor and Valentine there, he loved her unconditionally, BUT with his Pluto he was also a very passionate man, who knew what he wanted I think.
his Psyche conjunct her Venushis Psyche opposite her Plutohis Neptune square her Venushis Neptune square her Pluto
Mmh, could it be he overidolized her a little bit?
Both of them had Venus-Pluto-aspects in their heliocentric natals.Both were oppositions; his was about 4 degrees, hers was as exact as can be.Both natal Venus-Pluto aspects were intervowen into strong patterns.
So I think their natural ability for passionate and deep transforming love as well as devotion to creativity / art was freed by their coming together.
SOUL MATE ASPECTSHis JUPITER opp my JUNO 3His PSYCHE square my AMOR 2His AMOR cj my PSYCHE 1
LINKEDhis VALENTINE cj my EROS 1his EROS sextile my VALENTINE 3
His AMOR cj her PSYCHE 1His PSYCHE quincunx her AMOR 1
his EROS quincunx her KARMA 1his KARMA cj her PSYCHE 2
her EROS sextile his PERSEPHONE 2her PERSEPHONE cj his PSYCHE 2
his PSYCHE square her ANGEL 2his ANGEL square her EROS 3
PATTERNSHis VALENTINE cj her EROSHis VALENTINE quincunx her PROSERPINAHis PROSPERINA square her PLUTOHis PROSERPINA square her CHIRONHis PROSERPINA trine her EROSHis PERSEPHONE sextile her EROSHis VENUS quincunx her CHIRONHis JUPITER sextile her CHIRONHis PSYCHE square her ANGELHis PSYCHE quincunx her AMORHis PSYCHE trine her PERSEPHONEHis PSYCHE trine her PLUTO
DW'shis VALENTINE cj her EROShis EROS sextile her VALENTINE
his AMOR cj her PSYCHEhis PSYCHE quincunx her AMOR
his PLUTO sextile her PSYCHEhis PSYCHE trine her PLUTO
his VALENTINE cj her EROShis EROS sextile her VALENTINE
I was just starting researching this theory (important pairings in heliocentric zodiac in long lasting relationships, that are often referred to as soulmates).
I don΄t even know if it is a valid way to interprete, even though in the one case I posted it seems to make sense.
Anyway, let me look over your list:
"SOUL MATE ASPECTSHis JUPITER opp my JUNO 3His PSYCHE square my AMOR 2His AMOR cj my PSYCHE 1"
Those are in heliocentric, right?I like the Amor-Psyche conjunction, it seems it is an underestimated aspect, as I have seen it pretty often in so called "soulmate-couples".
"LINKEDhis VALENTINE cj my EROS 1his EROS sextile my VALENTINE 3"That is not a linked soulmate aspects; besides the orb of the sextile is too wide - and yes I am strict with the orbs in this case, cause if I allow wide orbs for one couple, there are no longer the same conditions / rules applicable, and thus the whole research will be "out of balance".
It is a very neat DW you have there, though.
"His AMOR cj her PSYCHE 1His PSYCHE quincunx her AMOR 1"Another nice DW, even though I never know what to think of the quinkunx. I tend to not consider it most of the times, unless it is part of a DW with another strong aspect, like in your case.
"his EROS quincunx her KARMA 1his KARMA cj her PSYCHE 2"That is a linked soulmate aspect. Aye!
"her EROS sextile his PERSEPHONE 2her PERSEPHONE cj his PSYCHE "I do not consider Persephone as a "linking" object, as Persephone usually is seen only and strongly as a part of a soulmate aspect, but doesn`t seem to have as strong individual influence in love synastries as Valentine for example. (Of course Persephone always relates to abductions and "coming of age" processes and even witchcraft)
"his PSYCHE square her ANGEL 2his ANGEL square her EROS 3"Sorry, the second orb is too wide.WEll, but even if I considered it, I am not sure about how to interprete squares in the Helio.
"PATTERNSFor my research I only considered patterns consisting of the planets, Chiron, Karma, Angel, Amor, Valentine, Eros, Psyche and Juno (as these seem to be very significant on "their own" in synastries). I also roughly divided between harmonious patterns (conjunction, trine, sextile with an occasional opposition) and challenging patterns (conjunction, opposition, square).So I probably would put the most emphasis on
His VALENTINE cj her EROSHis JUPITER sextile her CHIRONHis PSYCHE trine her PLUTO"
But to be honest that doesn`t really look like a pattern like I had it in mind.What I had in mind was that all the planets / asteroids in a pattern are aspecting each other.
Like he would be having natally aspects between Jupiter, Psyche and Valentine, and you would be having natally aspects between Eros, Chiron and Pluto and those would aspect each other.BUT in a pattern usually if his Valentine conjunct your Eros AND if his Valentine is aspecting his own Psyche, then his Psyhce would also be aspecting your Eros, do you understand what I mean?The only way that it does NOT aspect your Eros, too, would be either that there is no natal aspect between Psyche and Valentine in his chart (then we probably do not have a pattern or "closed circuit" though) OR the orbs may be a little too wide.
Let me give you the exact positions in Robert Brownings and Elisabeth Barret Browning`s case:
The harmonious pattern I found was:
Now the positions were:
his Venus:22 Virgohis pluto: 18 Pisceshis Angel: 19 Virgohis Valentine: 19 Taurushis Amor: 23 Capricorn
her Eros: 19 Virgoher Chiron: 22 Capricornher Juno: 18 Virgo
In the natals some orbs are a bit wider, but all the mentioned synastry aspects are within the orbs I told I would use, some are actually VERY close.
"his PLUTO sextile her PSYCHEhis PSYCHE trine her PLUTO"I like that one. I mean I love Pluto-Psyche on its own, but as a harmonious DW it must be beautiful.
Your Uranus is shaking me up.
This is my helio chart; if I see it right we have a widish Psyche-Psyche-conjunction in Pisces.
My Eros is cnj your Flower Pot, as running_bull so aptly named it. That's Juno, right? Ooh baby, you know what I like!
SOULMATE pairings:
your PLUTO exact sextile my PROSERPINAyour PSYCHE exact trine my AMOR(your ISIS quinkunx my OSIRIS)
CONJUNCTIONS: (I don`t have time, so this is the short version of the comparision))
Your NEPTUNE conjunct my MERCURY (I KNEW it! You ARE in my head! lol)
your PSYCHE conjunct my PSYCHE, - in PISCES! - more telepathy?
your EROS conjunct my JUNO
your URANUS conjunct my MARSyour URANUS conjunct my VALENTINE
Nice harmonious TRINES - I have a flaw for trines because of the same elements:
your VENUS trines my KARMA exact (Air)your PLUTO trine my KARMA (Air)- Grand trine in AIRThis is actually a KITE as your NEPTUNE opposes my KARMA Exactly!
your PSYCHE trine my AMOR exact (water)your JUNO trine my AMOR exact (water) your JUNO trine my PSYCHE (water) -GRAND TRINE
your CHIRON trine my ISIS (earth)
your AMOR trine my JUPITER exact (water)your AMOR trine my MARS exact (water)-we have TWO Grand trines in water! Both involve AMOR
your MARS trine my ANGEL
your URANUS trines my JUPITER
a transdimensional Psyche-Psyche-conjunction? Oh wow! I did not know that; you kept it a secret, you you Scorpio, you! But I had a hunch, I admit it.
Eros-Juno in ARIES. But do not get too enthusiastic, my SATURN is exactly squaring my JUNO (and in tropical it is an exact trine), which means my SATURN probably puts a dampener onto your Eros.And if I see it right your EROS is on the Kundalini degree, so I guess it doesn`t want to be "dampened".
Thanks for catching all those aspects! I'll comment after I get a chance to read them more closely.
I'll have to write a longer post tomorrow as i'm on my mobile - lost my computer charger!(hard to type on this thing)Thanks for looking at my aspects
I understand that about getting enthusiastic. Actually I am really itching to look at the helio comparision with Jude, and these other men I have been having "prophetic dreams" about.
But I fear that would influence my research and make it difficult to stay objective, so I am keeping this for last.
Deux,
I was referring to the Sabian degree. 13-14 ARies, if I am not mistaken, is the SAbian of "a serpent coiling near a man and a woman", and this relates to Kundalini rising.I guess having ERos there in the helios really emphasises the meaning of EROS in its purest sense.
Thanks again for doing all the work.
I like those aspect patterns we make! I was going to ask if you look at those in synastry the same as I do, then remembered I can assume you do.
I think the general consensus is that it's the person whose own trine is being turned into a grand trine (etc) who feels the pattern the strongest. But I don't think they're the only one getting something out of the experience. The missing link person feels the importance of the piece she's providing, like it's meant for the other person.
Like in our GT with your Jupiter-Mars and my Amor, my Amor will energize and fulfill your own Jupiter and Mars. So you're going to be feeling really good. *lights DD's cigarrette* Meanwhile I will feel my own Amor energy strongly. I'll feel like I'm meant to express that part of myself with you.
In our other GT, it's an even split. We're both the missing link and the foundation.
The kite's interesting because I have one w/o your chart, but your Karma makes that kite even tighter. If we break it down to the GT, it's your karma to get my Venus and Pluto energies flowing. I guess we could say that the Neptune opp shows how I express those energies to you, in a spiritually loving sorta way? Or obnoxiously delusional, take your pick.
quote:Oh wow! I did not know that; you kept it a secret, you you Scorpio, you! But I had a hunch, I admit it.
You had a hunch because I'm pretty sure I told you about that before, lol.
"I think the general consensus is that it's the person whose own trine is being turned into a grand trine (etc) who feels the pattern the strongest. But I don't think they're the only one getting something out of the experience. The missing link person feels the importance of the piece she's providing, like it's meant for the other person."
Exactly how I see it myself. But you knew that before.
I have a Grand trine in Earth with someone; my Venus is trining his Venus-Pluto-trine, but I certainly feel it myself quite strongly.
Actually his Venus-Aphrodite-Karma-conjunction trines his Pluto-myHekate-myLilith and this again trines my Venus-Isis-Osiris. lol(his Venus-Karmaconjunction falls onto my PoM and Eros/Psyche-mp and Lucifer, too. lol)
"ike in our GT with your Jupiter-Mars and my Amor, my Amor will energize and fulfill your own Jupiter and Mars. So you're going to be feeling really good."
I do. always feel good talking to you.
" I'll feel like I'm meant to express that part of myself with you. "How sweet!You can`t help loving me.
"t's your karma to get my Venus and Pluto energies flowing."I wonder what helio Karma means?
"I guess we could say that the Neptune opp shows how I express those energies to you, in a spiritually loving sorta way? Or obnoxiously delusional, take your pick."LOLProbably a bit of both, but since this is the helio chart, I pick the spiritual side of Neptune.
"You had a hunch because I'm pretty sure I told you about that before, lol."That could be. But I am never sure what you actively TOLD me and what is just in my HEAD that you might have said. Mercury-Neptune I guess.
quote:But I am never sure what you actively TOLD me and what is just in my HEAD that you might have said. Mercury-Neptune I guess
Funny you should say that because as I typed my comment I thought, "Maybe I only thought about telling her this and never actually did?"
quote:So I seem to have a harmonious pattern of Venus-Valentine-Mars-Jupiter in helio. I like that.
I like that about you too. Must be my natal [Jupiter cnj Mars] trine Venus that makes me so comfortable w/ others who have a similar energy.
I'm getting "Age of Aquarius" in my head...when the Moon is in the 7th house and Jupiter aligns with Mars. Since the helio lacks houses we can just go ahead and assign them ourselves and say that your Moon is in that house.
That earth GT you have with your mystery fella sounds delicious.
[Isis cnj Osiris] cnj your Venus...It's like you innately know the best of what committed love can be. A blessing and a curse, since you know the ideal and so much in life doesn't match that ideal. But I think it's great that your Venus is in Cap. In another sign, you may so badly want that ideal that you allow yourself to be fooled into believing you've found it with someone when you really haven't. Cap appreciates what's real only when it is real.
quote:I wonder what helio Karma means?
As do I. I suppose we could say that even at this "higher self" level, our spirit has history & is sculpted from that history. edit: It does get more complicated since this level supposedly lacks an individual ego...but we all have our own helio, so there is a type of individuality to it. Perhaps our helio is simply the part of ourselves most aware of our immersion in all others and all others in us.
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