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T O P I C R E V I E Wash_14If the planets influence us, how can we be sure that they were named correctly and ascribed with the correct attributes from the correct ancient deity?ie you seen to associate venus with love but it was humans that named the planets after gods before they knew anything about them. Nowadays the conditions of venus would never inspire someone to associate it with love seeing as it is very VERY hot, 90 times more pressure and the clouds are almost pure sulphuric acid... lovelywhat other associations do the planets have and why do you believe them to be accurate?is it a coincidence that humans named the planets correctly? or is it fate? (dont say it was fate)AphroditeFate. ash_14i said dont say that!!!any other opinions that dont start with 'f' and end in 'ate'???AphroditeKarma.Fated jwhop"Feight" jwhopash_14yeah yeah yeah... its all real funny. maybe a bitdo you actually believe in fate? i dont. it seems to me to be the most depressing notion in the entire world.sisterchasingmoonIm just curious....dont you like the word fate??------------------Love & Light,MelissasisterchasingmoonSorry didnt see that you had posted right before I did ------------------Love & Light,MelissaEnigmatic SoulOk, nothing is a coincedence. Call it fate, destiny, whatever the hell you want to call it. Bottom line is it was meant to be. Now why on earth do you think Fate is a depressing thing? Fate is everything you do. Do you not realize that? You were fated to be here, you were fated to be the other side. You chose it. You choose your fate. You are guided by an inner power, that you more than likely do not even recognize, as I know I do not, I just feel it. As most people do. Everything that happens is FATE. What happens? Well you have the option of making the choice, but ever just HAVE to do something against your best wishes? Anything at all, whether your parents told you to do it, or some other person/authority? That is all fate to. A lot of times our fate is from outside sources. That does not mean that we did not choose to do it, prior to our entrance into this world. Ever realize the more you question somethings the further away from the truth you get? Somethings are better left not questioned. Since you are such a science freak, if science is so freaking perfect, why can't it explain how we were created? Why cant science prove Bumblebees can Fly? Science is very flawed my friend. Do not believe everything scientists tell you. Look at the history of science, everything before the new revelation was wrong, yet we believed it to be true, even though it was not true. Keep spiralling, you will get the answers you seek. I suspect that you have a hard time believing in astrology because your petty ego cannot stand to believe that their are forces outside yourself that guide you in your decisions....let go my friend and you will be more free than you have ever been in your life...and you will also get more of the answers in which you are seeking.lioneye68Touche! En guard!ash_14ok, some fair points.so what ur saying is that everything has already been decided? our lives, deaths etc? and yet we still have decisions to make but ultimately we'll pick the right one because its fate? well why bother thinking about anything if we're gona make the right decision anyway?what about all the terrible stuff that happens all the time. last year one of my friends killed himself and if someone had said 'it was meant to be' they would rightly have deserved a slap (or maybe more)as for my petty ego thing, i may still be quite young but i have actually thought this through. i didnt just wake up one morning read something sciencey and decide to come and tell you all how wrong you are. i dont want to be a spectater in my life- i know that it is me and only me that makes my decisions and determines its own future. maybe its lying drunk in the street or maybe living in a million£ castle. either way its my choice.maybe the whole fate thing is just another way for people to stand back from their responsibilities? "it wasnt my fault i was fired, must be part of the greater plan" yeah sure.you said you feel something guiding you? whats that like? im guessing you dont mean god or anyone like thatEnigmatic Soul"so what ur saying is that everything has already been decided?"Well, not exactly, but thinking about it, why yes everything has been decided. As everything boils down to choice. Nothing can happen without making a choice. The great thing is God has granted us Free Will to make whatever choice we want. He though wants us to make healthy choices, you know choices that allow us to grow. Sometimes it takes us making what are seemingly bad choices, which have us fall down, to learn and gain the strength it takes to get to the next step. As they say, no pain no gain."well why bother thinking about anything if we're gona make the right decision anyway?"Why bother thinking? Why not just feel your way through things? I know it is not easy, I am not exactly doing the greatest job at it, but I am getting better, hard for a super virgo like myself to let go, and to just go on the feelings. If you were to go by feelings, you will real eyes, that you cannot make a wrong choice, because you will be doing what feels good. Whereas sometimes thinking actually causes us harm because it instills doubts and creates negative feelings, which lead to negative choices being made. "as for my petty ego thing, ...maybe its lying drunk in the street or maybe living in a million£ castle. either way its my choice."Well, I too am pretty young, I am only 22 myself, so I have quite the ego to, but I think it is when we identify to strongly with our Egos, that causes conflicts with those aound us. I know in my life that rings true. It is not easy to rest the ego, I am far from it dominating me at times too. Though my ego does not like to admit it...LOL....but yes, of course it comes down to your choice. How do you make your choice though? On what you think right? Your thoughts are based on what?? Your feelings. What is it you feel? Where do your feelings come from, THIS is where Astrology comes into play, you feel the energy of what is around you, of course it is NOT just the planets that you feel, it is also the people around you etc...but what astrology shows you, is what kind of energy is at play. How you use it, is well upto you. That is the great gift of Free Will, that God has Given you. "maybe the whole fate thing is just another way for people to stand back from their responsibilities? "it wasnt my fault i was fired, must be part of the greater plan" yeah sure"Well, if people use fate as an excuse to stand back from their responsibilities, they are LYING to themselves. Fate requires us to all be responsible, cause if not, that you create a negative state for yourself. "you said you feel something guiding you? whats that like? im guessing you dont mean god or anyone like that"Well, whats it like? That is hard to explain, in fact it is near impossible for me to. Now I would like to think it is God, or the Divine guidance that is guiding me, though sometimes it really feels as though it is a negative entity. I feel as though my I am the rope in a game of tug of war. On one side I have the Forces of Good pulling me, and on the other, the Forces of Evil pulling me. This of course is true for everyone. Whether you realize it or not. It is why we are all IN-DIVI-DUAL. We are at once Good and Evil. What we choose to give into is upto us. ash_14ok, i can see this argument isnt going to be easy to win.but are you still up for this 'ultimate argument'? there shouldnt be a problem using this forum as long as neither of us is offensive.people can join in if they want, it'll make it more confusing but what can you do?I dont want to take up too much of your time but i'll have to ask you to go first. should i start up a separate section for this argument? explaining to everyone else what its about?Enigmatic SoulSure, start up a seperate thread, and let others know they are free to join in as well. So long as neither of us get offensive, we have nothing to worry about.RandallEvery choice that can be made has been (time being an illusion). So, yes all has been decided in that regard, but what Path we take is based upon our complete Free-will as to which Eternal Now we go into. ------------------"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca ClarksilverbellsThe only stupid question is the unasked question. eightdegreesHello-I am new here so hello to everyone and thanks for making this such an interesting resource!Just wanted to throw in my two cents here about fate v. choice- the truth (or MY truth, rather) is that there are really equal amounts of fate and choice that we construct for ourselves. For example, I believe that I was "fated," or that I chose, to meet my current beau when I did- but that was it- it was my choice to start a relationship with him. It's the same with just about anything, in my mind.It is easy, however, to get a bit cynical about the whole thing- and say, like ash has, what's the point of really thinking about anything, if the decision is made for us already? And there is some truth to that- I've been told by a wise source that I have the "opportunity to meet my highest potential in this life," and this is something I've wrestled with because why should I bother finishing school or really doing anything if this opportunity will just pop up one day? But now my train has lost course... in any case, if you don't want to believe in fate, ash- then dont. choose to live your life any and all ways that serve you. *serve* is the key word though- does it serve you, help you in any way NOT to think that you're fated to do things? or vice versa? just a thought. ciao all! ------------------"look at the news and it sure looks bad, they won't give peace a chance, that was just a dream some of us had." (joni)RandallWelcome! ------------------"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca ClarkAphroditeAsh,Everything is an interpretation built through the foundation of language. Astrology included. It's just all words! Think about it. You're studying to be a lawyer, it shouldn't be too hard to fathom Are you familiar with Rhetoric Studies? Hmm, Foucault, Derrida, Nietzsche? Hegemony may be? I read Antonio Gramsci's prison notebooks years ago. I'd love to chat in private if you want. The postmodern and post-structuralist theories will give you a whole fresh perspective about everything---which is really composed of nothing Like that? I do!And, Astrology is an art of intepretation anyway . . . as is everything in life. Science is, essentially an interpretation for naturally occuring phenomena. Nicht wahr?Even the words on this screen are an intrepretation---Roman letters, Arabic numbers, etc., that we were taught to make it mean something, more interpretation!Now if someone were not versed in the language we speak, what would it make our language???Dead and obsolete. Food for thought AphroditeP.S. Life is uncertain. Most of this stuff was created to provide a highly pretensive rhetorical certainty to life to cushion against whatever created fear there was to avoid, or to circumvent. More goodies for thought. Very serious thought!
ie you seen to associate venus with love but it was humans that named the planets after gods before they knew anything about them. Nowadays the conditions of venus would never inspire someone to associate it with love seeing as it is very VERY hot, 90 times more pressure and the clouds are almost pure sulphuric acid... lovely
what other associations do the planets have and why do you believe them to be accurate?
is it a coincidence that humans named the planets correctly? or is it fate? (dont say it was fate)
any other opinions that dont start with 'f' and end in 'ate'???
Fated
jwhop
do you actually believe in fate?
i dont. it seems to me to be the most depressing notion in the entire world.
------------------Love & Light,Melissa
Ever realize the more you question somethings the further away from the truth you get? Somethings are better left not questioned. Since you are such a science freak, if science is so freaking perfect, why can't it explain how we were created? Why cant science prove Bumblebees can Fly? Science is very flawed my friend. Do not believe everything scientists tell you. Look at the history of science, everything before the new revelation was wrong, yet we believed it to be true, even though it was not true. Keep spiralling, you will get the answers you seek.
I suspect that you have a hard time believing in astrology because your petty ego cannot stand to believe that their are forces outside yourself that guide you in your decisions....let go my friend and you will be more free than you have ever been in your life...and you will also get more of the answers in which you are seeking.
so what ur saying is that everything has already been decided? our lives, deaths etc? and yet we still have decisions to make but ultimately we'll pick the right one because its fate? well why bother thinking about anything if we're gona make the right decision anyway?
what about all the terrible stuff that happens all the time. last year one of my friends killed himself and if someone had said 'it was meant to be' they would rightly have deserved a slap (or maybe more)
as for my petty ego thing, i may still be quite young but i have actually thought this through. i didnt just wake up one morning read something sciencey and decide to come and tell you all how wrong you are. i dont want to be a spectater in my life- i know that it is me and only me that makes my decisions and determines its own future. maybe its lying drunk in the street or maybe living in a million£ castle. either way its my choice.
maybe the whole fate thing is just another way for people to stand back from their responsibilities? "it wasnt my fault i was fired, must be part of the greater plan" yeah sure.
you said you feel something guiding you? whats that like? im guessing you dont mean god or anyone like that
Well, not exactly, but thinking about it, why yes everything has been decided. As everything boils down to choice. Nothing can happen without making a choice. The great thing is God has granted us Free Will to make whatever choice we want. He though wants us to make healthy choices, you know choices that allow us to grow. Sometimes it takes us making what are seemingly bad choices, which have us fall down, to learn and gain the strength it takes to get to the next step. As they say, no pain no gain.
"well why bother thinking about anything if we're gona make the right decision anyway?"
Why bother thinking? Why not just feel your way through things? I know it is not easy, I am not exactly doing the greatest job at it, but I am getting better, hard for a super virgo like myself to let go, and to just go on the feelings. If you were to go by feelings, you will real eyes, that you cannot make a wrong choice, because you will be doing what feels good. Whereas sometimes thinking actually causes us harm because it instills doubts and creates negative feelings, which lead to negative choices being made.
"as for my petty ego thing, ...maybe its lying drunk in the street or maybe living in a million£ castle. either way its my choice."
Well, I too am pretty young, I am only 22 myself, so I have quite the ego to, but I think it is when we identify to strongly with our Egos, that causes conflicts with those aound us. I know in my life that rings true. It is not easy to rest the ego, I am far from it dominating me at times too. Though my ego does not like to admit it...LOL....but yes, of course it comes down to your choice. How do you make your choice though? On what you think right? Your thoughts are based on what?? Your feelings. What is it you feel? Where do your feelings come from, THIS is where Astrology comes into play, you feel the energy of what is around you, of course it is NOT just the planets that you feel, it is also the people around you etc...but what astrology shows you, is what kind of energy is at play. How you use it, is well upto you. That is the great gift of Free Will, that God has Given you.
"maybe the whole fate thing is just another way for people to stand back from their responsibilities? "it wasnt my fault i was fired, must be part of the greater plan" yeah sure"
Well, if people use fate as an excuse to stand back from their responsibilities, they are LYING to themselves. Fate requires us to all be responsible, cause if not, that you create a negative state for yourself.
"you said you feel something guiding you? whats that like? im guessing you dont mean god or anyone like that"
Well, whats it like? That is hard to explain, in fact it is near impossible for me to. Now I would like to think it is God, or the Divine guidance that is guiding me, though sometimes it really feels as though it is a negative entity. I feel as though my I am the rope in a game of tug of war. On one side I have the Forces of Good pulling me, and on the other, the Forces of Evil pulling me. This of course is true for everyone. Whether you realize it or not. It is why we are all IN-DIVI-DUAL. We are at once Good and Evil. What we choose to give into is upto us.
but are you still up for this 'ultimate argument'? there shouldnt be a problem using this forum as long as neither of us is offensive.
people can join in if they want, it'll make it more confusing but what can you do?
I dont want to take up too much of your time but i'll have to ask you to go first. should i start up a separate section for this argument? explaining to everyone else what its about?
------------------"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark
I am new here so hello to everyone and thanks for making this such an interesting resource!
Just wanted to throw in my two cents here about fate v. choice- the truth (or MY truth, rather) is that there are really equal amounts of fate and choice that we construct for ourselves. For example, I believe that I was "fated," or that I chose, to meet my current beau when I did- but that was it- it was my choice to start a relationship with him. It's the same with just about anything, in my mind.
It is easy, however, to get a bit cynical about the whole thing- and say, like ash has, what's the point of really thinking about anything, if the decision is made for us already? And there is some truth to that- I've been told by a wise source that I have the "opportunity to meet my highest potential in this life," and this is something I've wrestled with because why should I bother finishing school or really doing anything if this opportunity will just pop up one day?
But now my train has lost course... in any case, if you don't want to believe in fate, ash- then dont. choose to live your life any and all ways that serve you. *serve* is the key word though- does it serve you, help you in any way NOT to think that you're fated to do things? or vice versa? just a thought.
ciao all!
------------------"look at the news and it sure looks bad, they won't give peace a chance, that was just a dream some of us had." (joni)
Everything is an interpretation built through the foundation of language. Astrology included. It's just all words! Think about it. You're studying to be a lawyer, it shouldn't be too hard to fathom
Are you familiar with Rhetoric Studies? Hmm, Foucault, Derrida, Nietzsche? Hegemony may be? I read Antonio Gramsci's prison notebooks years ago. I'd love to chat in private if you want. The postmodern and post-structuralist theories will give you a whole fresh perspective about everything---which is really composed of nothing
Like that? I do!
And, Astrology is an art of intepretation anyway . . . as is everything in life. Science is, essentially an interpretation for naturally occuring phenomena. Nicht wahr?
Even the words on this screen are an intrepretation---Roman letters, Arabic numbers, etc., that we were taught to make it mean something, more interpretation!
Now if someone were not versed in the language we speak, what would it make our language???
Dead and obsolete.
Food for thought
Aphrodite
P.S. Life is uncertain. Most of this stuff was created to provide a highly pretensive rhetorical certainty to life to cushion against whatever created fear there was to avoid, or to circumvent. More goodies for thought. Very serious thought!
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