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T O P I C R E V I E WCeridwenHi IQ,I need a bit of your help.Since Eros/Amor/Cupido are all three mentioned as counterpart to Psyche (though I think we agreed that Eros was the strongest), I was investigating 12 synastries for aspects of Psyche to Eros, Amor, Cupido (synastry, composite, Davison).The results were unexpected:In all case there is an emphasis on the challenging aspects:EROS-PSYCHEsynastry:total: 4 couples had thatsquare: 2opposition: 2composite:total: 1square: 1Davison:total: 2square: 1opposition: 1PSYCHE-CUPIDOsynastry:total: 6opposition: 2quinkunx: 2conjunction: 1trine: 1composite:total: 1quinkunx: 1Davison:total: 4conjunction: 2trine: 1quinkunx: 1AMOR/PSYCHE:synastry:total: 4square: 2trine: 1opposition: 1composite: 5square: 4quinkunx: 1Davison: 2conjunction: 1sextile: 1There were only 3 couples who did NOT have at least one synastric aspect of Psyche to Eros, Cupido or Amor.These were Johnny Cash- June CarterRichard Burton - Liz TaylorPierre Curie - Marie CurieCash-Carter had:Psyche-Amor-square in compositePsyche-Cupido-conjunction in DavisonBurton-Taylor had:Eros-Psyche-square in Davisonthe Curies had:Psyche-Amor-quinkunx in CompositePsyche-Cupido-quinkunx in DavisonWhat surprised me so immensely were three occurences:1. the frequence of Cupido/Psyche-aspects that seemed independent from Eros/Psyche in these synastries:Diego Rivera - Frida Kahlo (opposition)Laurence OLivier- Vivien leigh (quinkunx)Paul and Linda Mc Cartney (conjunction)Paul Newman - Joanne Woodward (opposition)In the case of Rivera-KahloMc CartneysNewman-Woodwardthis was NOT balanced by an Eros/Psyche-aspect in either composite or DAvision, which brings me to the conclusion that they were operating independently2. the emphasis on challenging aspects like square and opposition with a few conjunctions thrown in3. the frequency of these aspects in DAvison compared to composite, which were pretty equal in number:composite: 7 aspects (5 were Psyche/Amor)Davison: 8 aspects (4 were Psyche/Cupido)But what do I make out of this?What does it really mean? lilithplutoBumping!!! I'm interested to know too!karenaPaul and Linda Mc Cartney actually have very strong Cupido-Psyche cantact, if you also take a look at their Draconic chart.They have:Linda's tr Cupido conj Paul's tr Psyche(0)Linda's dr Cupido/Psyche mp oppose & contraparallel Paul's tr Psyche (0)Paul's dr Cupido/Psyche mp oppose Linda's dr Solstice Cupido (0)Ceridwen quote:Originally posted by karena:Paul and Linda Mc Cartney actually have very strong Cupido-Psyche cantact, if you also take a look at their Draconic chart.They have already a very strong contact in tropical alone; conjunction on 8 Virgo exact.And the Dracos unfold this theme even more.Ceridwen dpiQPsychologically, Humanity has a disturbing tendency to hurt their loved ones the most. Ever since the end of Atlantis.Thus, it is not surprising that genuine Soul Mates have more squares in Soul Mate pairs.The fact they are to be true lovers will be clear in the 7th House and 7th Lord Synastry/Composite dynamics. But it will appear as if they are karmic soulmates due to stresses between Eros-Psyche etc. The fact is they couple has to work towards dissolving the stress and then live as if Eros-Psyche trine or conjunct.------------------ Astrology Articles New Services and short readings VelvetPriestessSo in the absence of an Eros Psyche aspect, Psyche/Amor or Psyche/Cupido is a passable substitute do you think?Just how important are Psyche aspects I wonder...GabbyVery interesting!! AubyanneVP,I've begun loading my asteroids box with 763,16,433 -- as I'm testing to see how much EROS versus CUPIDO hits. To be honest, both have been, in my limited new research.midnightvenusI read it's important to check the connections between the man's Eros Persona to the woman's Psyche persona.Maybe we should check the man's Cupido Persona too?Aunt AnomaliaIn my synastries with you know who I havemy Psyche sextile his Eros, 1 mincomposite Psyche trine Amor, 38 min (same in draco)composite Psyche sextile Cupido, 43 min (trine in draco)my draco Cupido trine his Psyche, 13 minmy draco Psyche trine his Cupido, 50 min------------------My sister in arms presents...ail221Cupido would be the second equivalent of Eros, his name and Eros name literally mean Desire.GabbyI have a strange configuration with the guy im seeing...His Cupido conjunct my MarsHis H40/Cupido conjunct my VenusMy Cupido and H40 are conjunct on his Psyche/Venus conjunction which squares his MarsMy Cupido scorp@0.23My H40 scorp@2.03My Uranus scorp@4.44My Kaali scorp@2.15My Coventry scorp@3.55His Venus scorp@1.20His Psyche scorp@4.06His Mars aqua@5.10His Cupido gemini@28.07My Mars gemini@29.33His Coventry gemini@29.35His Uranus virgo@28.52His Kaali virgo@3.15His H40 libra@19.44My Venus libra@19.05My Psyche gemini@15.56Ceridwen quote:Originally posted by Aubyanne:VP,I've begun loading my asteroids box with 763,16,433 -- as I'm testing to see how much EROS versus CUPIDO hits. To be honest, both have been, in my limited new research.same here. For me personally it seems like Cupido aspects actually dominate, but this might be because my Cupido is out of orb for opposing my Psyche, but still rather near (4°07) and they are contraprallel (0°07), and Cupido also opposes Atropos (0°06) , so my natal resonance might make me susceptible for Cupido. On the other hand Eros does happen as well, though interestingly often aspecting outer planets (preference for trine to Uranus and square to Pluto - yeah that generation. lol)Well Eros is conjunct my Vertex (0°32) and opposing my Sun/Moon-mp (0°33) and widely conj. my Destinn (2°14)so I guess I resonate with both. Nevertheless my Psyche favours Cupido. AubyanneI'm most amused, I think, by this:19šN'34 (CUPIDO)18šN'29 (EROS)19šN'04 (PSYCHE)Even though they're slightly out of orb of being parallel (using standard orb) my PSYCHE is smack in the midst of both. Heh!Gabby quote:Originally posted by Aubyanne:I'm most amused, I think, by this:19šN'34 (CUPIDO)18šN'29 (EROS)19šN'04 (PSYCHE)Even though they're slightly out of orb of being parallel (using standard orb) my PSYCHE is smack in the midst of both. Heh!What orb is allowed with the parallel? I never look at these.VelvetPriestess quote:I've begun loading my asteroids box with 763,16,433 -- as I'm testing to see how much EROS versus CUPIDO hits.To be honest, both have been, in my limited new research.This is interesting, I can start to look for Cupido/Psyche where there is an Eros/ Psyche link missing. Must check decs - do you use helio as well? I do often. quote:Nevertheless my Psyche favours CupidoAre Psyche aspects needed, Ceridwen, for attraction to flow in your opinion? You know, for something to become real. There's probably other things to look for in their absence.I checked my best friend and her partners astro and no sign of Eros/Psyche or Psyche/Cupido.ail221Well they may not be soulmates or that soul mate pair doesn't apply to them. Every soulmate pairs is not applicable to every couple for various reasons i.e sometimes the pair appear in draconic to natal, composite, progressed synastry etc and to add the importance of each soulmate pair is dependent on the natal aspects in their individual charts.VelvetPriestessSo the absence of Eros/Cupido/Psyche can be made up for with Isis/Osiris or Pluto/Persephone, etc instead? That's how I used to look at it, but then I did wonder about the role of Psyche in synastry particularly.Good point about using the different charts and where aspects between the asteroid and planet pairs might lie, like the composite.Ceridwen quote:Originally posted by ail221:Well they may not be soulmates or that soul mate pair doesn't apply to them.lActually the soulmate-myth is related to Psyche and Cupido, NOT Eros and Psyche. But Eros got more popular over the centuries, still the original text where we find the Eros-Psyche-story embedded in a framestory of the transformation of a man, over the way of being the "a**" he has been visibly transformed into (to match his inner donkey-ness) resulting into the initiation into the Isis-cult at the end o it, and the Psyche-Cupido-story comes right before his transformation back into a man and the initiation to the Isis-cult. The naming of EROS for the god in that story might come from the paintings in the medieval age, but it is not there in the original story. EROS is in fact MUCH OLDER than this story, and much more powerful than any of the olympic gods, being a primordial divine entity of creation, but he is not being paired in a story with Psyche, until the translations of the story in later centuries. I do agree though that usually the natals determine which soulmate pairs are mostly "charged" for us. Well actually my conclusion is to use both. Ceridwen quote:Originally posted by VelvetPriestess: Are Psyche aspects needed, Ceridwen, for attraction to flow in your opinion? You know, for something to become real. There's probably other things to look for in their absence.I donīt think they are so much "needed" as indicating a certain specific vibe to a connection. However of course we have to start with the personal planets to asess a synastry. TCeridwenLOLI just thought about checking Apuleius (from whom the story originated), cause I seem to be unusually emotionally invested, maybe because I did a paper on that story, well the Cupid-part of it, interestingly (my friend did the Psyche-portion - it was a collaboration).Anyway it is funny Apuleius is on 2 Scorpio in my chart, conjunct my Uranus (3rd ruler) by 40 minutes of arc, and additionally on the antiscion of my true BML in 3rd house (39 minutes of arc). Yeah, I seem to get a little .... invested when anythings riles up my 3rd house Uranian Black Moon (and often it will be through an antiscion). EDITActually I remember an incident last year, when I found someone had stolen something I wrote on here on the distinction between Lilith and Priapus (under my previous username) and pretended it had been his essay. I KNOW of course that anything I write on the internet can be used by anybody, but this one time it really bugged me for some reason, and I approached the website owner where he published it telling her it was actually my stuff, and she corrected it (which I had not even expected at all!).Turns out the guy in question had his Pluto on 2 Scorpio and BML on 2 Taurus, hence my own BML on 28 Aquarius was activated through the solstice axis, and I would even count my Priapus on 00 Leo, widely squaring that, and of course my Uranus on 01 Scorpio (pr Uranus on 2Scorpio). It was an astrologically interesting experience.
I need a bit of your help.
Since Eros/Amor/Cupido are all three mentioned as counterpart to Psyche (though I think we agreed that Eros was the strongest), I was investigating 12 synastries for aspects of Psyche to Eros, Amor, Cupido (synastry, composite, Davison).
The results were unexpected:
In all case there is an emphasis on the challenging aspects:
EROS-PSYCHEsynastry:total: 4 couples had thatsquare: 2opposition: 2
composite:total: 1square: 1
Davison:total: 2square: 1opposition: 1
PSYCHE-CUPIDO
synastry:total: 6opposition: 2quinkunx: 2conjunction: 1trine: 1
composite:total: 1quinkunx: 1
Davison:total: 4conjunction: 2trine: 1quinkunx: 1
AMOR/PSYCHE:synastry:total: 4square: 2trine: 1opposition: 1
composite: 5square: 4quinkunx: 1
Davison: 2conjunction: 1sextile: 1
There were only 3 couples who did NOT have at least one synastric aspect of Psyche to Eros, Cupido or Amor.
These were Johnny Cash- June CarterRichard Burton - Liz TaylorPierre Curie - Marie Curie
Cash-Carter had:Psyche-Amor-square in compositePsyche-Cupido-conjunction in Davison
Burton-Taylor had:Eros-Psyche-square in Davison
the Curies had:Psyche-Amor-quinkunx in CompositePsyche-Cupido-quinkunx in Davison
What surprised me so immensely were three occurences:
1. the frequence of Cupido/Psyche-aspects that seemed independent from Eros/Psyche in these synastries:Diego Rivera - Frida Kahlo (opposition)Laurence OLivier- Vivien leigh (quinkunx)Paul and Linda Mc Cartney (conjunction)Paul Newman - Joanne Woodward (opposition)
In the case of Rivera-KahloMc CartneysNewman-Woodward
this was NOT balanced by an Eros/Psyche-aspect in either composite or DAvision, which brings me to the conclusion that they were operating independently
2. the emphasis on challenging aspects like square and opposition with a few conjunctions thrown in
3. the frequency of these aspects in DAvison compared to composite, which were pretty equal in number:
composite: 7 aspects (5 were Psyche/Amor)Davison: 8 aspects (4 were Psyche/Cupido)
But what do I make out of this?What does it really mean?
I'm interested to know too!
They have:Linda's tr Cupido conj Paul's tr Psyche(0)Linda's dr Cupido/Psyche mp oppose & contraparallel Paul's tr Psyche (0)Paul's dr Cupido/Psyche mp oppose Linda's dr Solstice Cupido (0)
quote:Originally posted by karena:Paul and Linda Mc Cartney actually have very strong Cupido-Psyche cantact, if you also take a look at their Draconic chart.
They have already a very strong contact in tropical alone; conjunction on 8 Virgo exact.
And the Dracos unfold this theme even more.
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Just how important are Psyche aspects I wonder...
I've begun loading my asteroids box with 763,16,433 -- as I'm testing to see how much EROS versus CUPIDO hits.
To be honest, both have been, in my limited new research.
my Psyche sextile his Eros, 1 mincomposite Psyche trine Amor, 38 min (same in draco)
composite Psyche sextile Cupido, 43 min (trine in draco)my draco Cupido trine his Psyche, 13 minmy draco Psyche trine his Cupido, 50 min
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His Cupido conjunct my MarsHis H40/Cupido conjunct my VenusMy Cupido and H40 are conjunct on his Psyche/Venus conjunction which squares his Mars
My Cupido scorp@0.23My H40 scorp@2.03My Uranus scorp@4.44My Kaali scorp@2.15My Coventry scorp@3.55His Venus scorp@1.20His Psyche scorp@4.06His Mars aqua@5.10
His Cupido gemini@28.07My Mars gemini@29.33His Coventry gemini@29.35His Uranus virgo@28.52His Kaali virgo@3.15
His H40 libra@19.44My Venus libra@19.05My Psyche gemini@15.56
quote:Originally posted by Aubyanne:VP,I've begun loading my asteroids box with 763,16,433 -- as I'm testing to see how much EROS versus CUPIDO hits. To be honest, both have been, in my limited new research.
same here.
For me personally it seems like Cupido aspects actually dominate, but this might be because my Cupido is out of orb for opposing my Psyche, but still rather near (4°07) and they are contraprallel (0°07), and Cupido also opposes Atropos (0°06) , so my natal resonance might make me susceptible for Cupido.
On the other hand Eros does happen as well, though interestingly often aspecting outer planets (preference for trine to Uranus and square to Pluto - yeah that generation. lol)
Well Eros is conjunct my Vertex (0°32) and opposing my Sun/Moon-mp (0°33) and widely conj. my Destinn (2°14)
so I guess I resonate with both.
Nevertheless my Psyche favours Cupido.
19šN'34 (CUPIDO)18šN'29 (EROS)
19šN'04 (PSYCHE)
Even though they're slightly out of orb of being parallel (using standard orb) my PSYCHE is smack in the midst of both. Heh!
quote:Originally posted by Aubyanne:I'm most amused, I think, by this:19šN'34 (CUPIDO)18šN'29 (EROS)19šN'04 (PSYCHE)Even though they're slightly out of orb of being parallel (using standard orb) my PSYCHE is smack in the midst of both. Heh!
What orb is allowed with the parallel? I never look at these.
quote:I've begun loading my asteroids box with 763,16,433 -- as I'm testing to see how much EROS versus CUPIDO hits.To be honest, both have been, in my limited new research.
This is interesting, I can start to look for Cupido/Psyche where there is an Eros/ Psyche link missing. Must check decs - do you use helio as well? I do often.
quote:Nevertheless my Psyche favours Cupido
Are Psyche aspects needed, Ceridwen, for attraction to flow in your opinion? You know, for something to become real. There's probably other things to look for in their absence.
I checked my best friend and her partners astro and no sign of Eros/Psyche or Psyche/Cupido.
Good point about using the different charts and where aspects between the asteroid and planet pairs might lie, like the composite.
quote:Originally posted by ail221:Well they may not be soulmates or that soul mate pair doesn't apply to them.l
Actually the soulmate-myth is related to Psyche and Cupido, NOT Eros and Psyche. But Eros got more popular over the centuries, still the original text where we find the Eros-Psyche-story embedded in a framestory of the transformation of a man, over the way of being the "a**" he has been visibly transformed into (to match his inner donkey-ness) resulting into the initiation into the Isis-cult at the end o it, and the Psyche-Cupido-story comes right before his transformation back into a man and the initiation to the Isis-cult.
The naming of EROS for the god in that story might come from the paintings in the medieval age, but it is not there in the original story.
EROS is in fact MUCH OLDER than this story, and much more powerful than any of the olympic gods, being a primordial divine entity of creation, but he is not being paired in a story with Psyche, until the translations of the story in later centuries.
I do agree though that usually the natals determine which soulmate pairs are mostly "charged" for us.
Well actually my conclusion is to use both.
quote:Originally posted by VelvetPriestess: Are Psyche aspects needed, Ceridwen, for attraction to flow in your opinion? You know, for something to become real. There's probably other things to look for in their absence.
I donīt think they are so much "needed" as indicating a certain specific vibe to a connection.
However of course we have to start with the personal planets to asess a synastry. T
I just thought about checking Apuleius (from whom the story originated), cause I seem to be unusually emotionally invested, maybe because I did a paper on that story, well the Cupid-part of it, interestingly (my friend did the Psyche-portion - it was a collaboration).
Anyway it is funny Apuleius is on 2 Scorpio in my chart, conjunct my Uranus (3rd ruler) by 40 minutes of arc, and additionally on the antiscion of my true BML in 3rd house (39 minutes of arc).
Yeah, I seem to get a little .... invested when anythings riles up my 3rd house Uranian Black Moon (and often it will be through an antiscion).
EDITActually I remember an incident last year, when I found someone had stolen something I wrote on here on the distinction between Lilith and Priapus (under my previous username) and pretended it had been his essay. I KNOW of course that anything I write on the internet can be used by anybody, but this one time it really bugged me for some reason, and I approached the website owner where he published it telling her it was actually my stuff, and she corrected it (which I had not even expected at all!).
Turns out the guy in question had his Pluto on 2 Scorpio and BML on 2 Taurus, hence my own BML on 28 Aquarius was activated through the solstice axis, and I would even count my Priapus on 00 Leo, widely squaring that, and of course my Uranus on 01 Scorpio (pr Uranus on 2Scorpio).
It was an astrologically interesting experience.
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