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T O P I C R E V I E WproxiemeHey Guys - financechick has a problem:"I'm just searching for some understanding...Maybe it is me (...) i wish we could get some more men to respond to this"that is detailed in the Cappy Men...humph! thread ( www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000574.html ). If you have any insight, could you mosey on over and have a look?Actually, for me, too - what's the deal w/ ya'll? Is the discussion that's centered on the 2nd page right? Aagh. Most of my friends are guys, and they don't seem like that. I mean, not really. They are (a bit, some of them) w/ girls they don't care about, but it seems like most of them want to be able to care about one and not ... well, not necessarily be like that.That whole thread has me scared silly.CorriAphroditeI find it telling that no man has yet answered this post.LunargirlTrue-- 8 months is a big gap in time -- but isn't it also true that in the original thread, that Randall, N_wEvil, Carlos and Lost Leo did respond... they seem to be some of our steady men around here.Any men care to add a belated post to the thread? QoS? jwhop? Tommy_cat? etc.?LunargirlLost LeoWhat is the question again???Being a stupid dude I know no better so please enlighten me with some specificity...(and I'm not being sarcastic FYI) That Warrior Princess chick is psycho, I wonder if she's still around here but under a different name?jwhopOK, my excuse for not responding is that I never saw this thread before or the referenced thread either I skimmed the original. I don't know who initiated the vacation together but it appears that immediately after, there was a role reversal. He says YOU can call him? He wants YOU to initiate the future contact? My Leo response is "when pigs fly" I'll chase you. In the meantime, you put yourself on the shelf because he's a nice guy, considerate, hard working, salt of the earth, blah, blah, blah.Listen, this guy is either running a game on you or he's an insecure little boy. Either way, you've had a good look at what a relationship with him would be like. I know you have strong Pisces placements and you're sensitive and forgiving, too forgiving. If you insist on another attempt to make contact with this Cappy guy I would forward him a good joke without ANY comment and he would be only one of many receiving it. If he doesn't pick up the phone and call you or email you, I would turn off your Pisces and lose him--permanently. Somewhere in your closet there a stunning little red dress, black dress---whatever. Time to let Leo take over and have some fun. This guy isn't nearly good enough for you anyway.Sorry for the advice, it's the Leo curse jwhopQueenofSheebaWell, I took a peek at the Cappy Men... Hmmph! thread and I'm afraid that I don't totally understand the issues or the various points of view. Normally I'm careful to stay away from gender issues. Anyway... In this case, which has probably resolved itrself by now if it was happening eight months ago, financechick needs to move on. A guy who leaves her hanging like that doesn't deserve her attention (how long was it since he talked to her? Weeks?). I should add that if a romantic interest of mine cut me off, I wouldn't hang around very long.*Some women seem to think that they are entitled to endless toying with all their suitors. That was okay several centuries ago, but not now. You've heard of high power women? I'm a high power guy, and I don't like being strung along.*Well anyway, this is a very hot issue and I've probably said too much all ready. Sheba------------------Hello everybody! I used to be QueenofSheeba and then I was Apollo and now I am QueenofSheeba again (and I'm a guy in case you didn't know)!Tommy_CatIf you ask me, that Carlo character isn't saying anything that isn't true, but he sure turns it into a jagged pill to swallow. I wanted to disagree with him just on account of his delivery! No finesse, tsk tsk. No wonder the Warrier Woman went bizzerk on him. But what he's getting at is a primal truth about the male of most species. We have the strong urge to procreate as a measure of ensuring survival of the species. BUT WOMEN HAVE THIS URGE AS WELL. Ladies, you know it's true, so don't argue with me. You wonder what sex would be like with different men you encounter, but you don't act on it, because you have alot more at risk then we do. You know what I'm saying. Your reputation and the possibility of getting pregnant is what keeps your carnal urges at bay. What do guys have to lose? Not much. But we do have alot to gain. The reputation thing seems to work in our favor, and we don't get pregnant.Woman have also been socialized to believe that sexual aggression is deplorable in a female, and very UNattractive. Heck, I LIKE it.So, since a woman has alot more at risk, she is much more careful in her choices. Guys, well, heck - we probably should be more careful in our choices, but if we happen upon a lady who's willing to give it up to us, and she's easy on the eyes, and easy to be around, hey, she's in! If she's difficult and demanding and plays too much of the relationship politics game, PLUS doesn't get into the sex thing all that much, what's in it for the guy? It's all nice and good to be informed and have worldy opinions, be able to have intelligent conversations, in fact PLEASE....but don't be bitter because your a woman...at least don't come across like you are.Are men only interested in sex? No. We want to enjoy you in other rooms too, and outside of the home too. We do go in with our eyes wide open to trying to figure out how to "hit it". Y'all would think there was something wrong with either the guy or yourself he DIDN'T do that.So pardon us for being the procreation initiators and sustainers of the species. But personally, I think y'all prefer it that way. AphroditeMy apologies to Bissie, FC and everyone else Didn't mean to open a can of worms. My intent was to get Mens' perspectives as to why some do what they do. Apparently, there is good feedback and there are all kinds of men with a wide range of perspectives. Which is cool for us.Thank you Guys AphroditeBissieLost L,hands off Warrior Princess,its not nice to stick a name on someone you even don`t know...anyhow, she is not on this Forum anymore, even though we do e-mail each other sometime. She is just too hurt and I doubt she will post here again.I think this Cappy thread was extremely disgraceful, pity that Proxieme digged out it again.anyway....proxiemeHey Bissie - I didn't bring it up again; I stopped following that thread when it became painful. I wrote this when the thread initially began (see October date) in an effort to help fc.I hope that VWP is doing well; she helped me out when I was down.financechickI'm still around...just relaly really busy with work..my psychic powers must be at work though because I had the urge to come here and check it out.The Cappy issue is a non issue at this point. I spent way too much time worrying over him and tyring to figure it out but he's not worth it honestly.We had a fun trip together...and I'm leaving it at that.I'm not jaded, I've just come to realize that he has obvious issues.He still sends me e-mail and wants to come over to see my new house and even offered to help me move...but I have enough friends to help me with that.lioneye68I guess there's a reason why Cappy men tend to marry much later in life, or not at all. They just don't care much about personal relationships. (unless it's with the CEO's daughter or something)Just my thoughts.....QueenofSheebaThat was a littled heartless towards the Cappys, don't you think? Most goats I know are just cautious about marriage- they don't want to raise the divorce rate, so they take their time. Nothing wrong with that. ------------------Hello everybody! I used to be QueenofSheeba and then I was Apollo and now I am QueenofSheeba again (and I'm a guy in case you didn't know)!1scorpI'm not a capricorn and I jumped in that situation once. I doubt I will do it again... until much later in life. pidauaMy dad is a Cappy. He has been married 4 times. Marriage 1: at 18 years old, was annuled when he went into VietnamMarriage 2: at 23 years old to my mom (cancer with a cancer moon) has two kids, me and my younger Sag bro. (marriage lasted 14 years)Marriage 3: at 40 he married my STEPMONSTER - The witchmaster from hell. They divorced when he was about 43. (She was a Virgo)Marriage 4: at 47 To my nice stepmom, who is alot like my mom (Pisces with an Aries moon. They are still together and very happy.What I have learned from Cappys is that they really are wonderful men, but inside they are like little boys too. My Abuela (A strong Aries woman) told my mom when she gave birth to me "Hmmm, now you have two kids". Meaning Dad is like a kid. They makes wonderful fathers, great sons, but not so wonderful spouses until they have gotten over their insecurities. They are also Cardinal sign and they do like control. lioneye68QueenofSheeba, you're right. That wasn't a very nice thing to say. I realize there's probably a bajillion Cappies who that wouldn't apply to. But even Linda said that Cappy's tend to marry much later than most folks, or not at all, and the reason being, they're just too busy with their carreers.But by the time they DO marry, they're usually very well established and financially solvant.Lost LeoQoS, just a quick question?How did you come up with your knowflake handle?QueenofSheebaMy... handle? You mean my name, or my signature?Well, I used to be a member of this site under a different name, and when I rejoined I chose a username that rhymed with my first one. I don't give a lot of thought to my names, I just pick 'em (yes, I know QueenofSheeba is a pretty gay name). Why do you ask?------------------Hello everybody! I used to be QueenofSheeba and then I was Apollo and now I am QueenofSheeba again (and I'm a guy in case you didn't know)!pidauaQueen, That was totally funny! You put that very bluntly "that is a pretty gay name, why do you ask". I just had to comment. Anyway, back to Cappy's. I find them to be very intriguing. I also find many of their descriptions to be kind of off base. I reread what Linda Goodman said about Cappy's and although I don't totally disagree with her, my experience with them casts them in a different light. (This is mostly regarding the men, my experience with the women seems to be more in agreement with the description of them).Yes, they are controlling, a bit demanding, money conscience, polite, very mother / daughter / family oriented, BUT, I also find them to be outgoing, charming, funny, sensitive (as they age), romantic (maybe in pursuit?) and nearly opposite to much of what Sun Signs has to say.Anyone else care to speculate?AphroditeWith Capricorn, more than any other Sun Sign, in my opinion, it is very important to look at where their Venus and Mars positions are in the natal chart. Outwardly, they are all rather the same---silent, stoic, dignified, aloof and determined. On the inside and how they approach their partners, is a different story for each one in this sign. Most are reserved and do not call too much attention to themselves. (Take, for instance Randall )I've known Capricorns with either Venus in Aquarius or Pisces---they are so different from each other. Mars in Scorpio is definitely a strong contrast from Mars in Virgo. And, one picks up from there.Lost LeoQoS: U said it, I didn't... pidauaThanks Aphrodite, That totally makes sense. The Cappy that I am friends with has a Gemini Ascendent and his Mar and Venus are both in Aquarius. My dad is a Capricorn with his ASC, Venus and Mercury in Capricorn as well. His Mars is in the 7th house in Cancer conjuncting his Saturn and causing a major opposition to his Cappy signs. No wonder the 4 marriages. He also has the Mars square Neptune deal going on (he lies for a living working undercover for the state) AND he has a Leo Singleton - Pluto in his 7th house. Verrrrrry interesting.
financechick has a problem:
"I'm just searching for some understanding...Maybe it is me (...) i wish we could get some more men to respond to this"
that is detailed in the Cappy Men...humph! thread ( www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000574.html ). If you have any insight, could you mosey on over and have a look?
Actually, for me, too - what's the deal w/ ya'll? Is the discussion that's centered on the 2nd page right? Aagh. Most of my friends are guys, and they don't seem like that. I mean, not really. They are (a bit, some of them) w/ girls they don't care about, but it seems like most of them want to be able to care about one and not ... well, not necessarily be like that.That whole thread has me scared silly.
Corri
Any men care to add a belated post to the thread? QoS? jwhop? Tommy_cat? etc.?
Lunargirl
Being a stupid dude I know no better so please enlighten me with some specificity...
(and I'm not being sarcastic FYI)
That Warrior Princess chick is psycho, I wonder if she's still around here but under a different name?
I skimmed the original. I don't know who initiated the vacation together but it appears that immediately after, there was a role reversal. He says YOU can call him? He wants YOU to initiate the future contact? My Leo response is "when pigs fly" I'll chase you. In the meantime, you put yourself on the shelf because he's a nice guy, considerate, hard working, salt of the earth, blah, blah, blah.
Listen, this guy is either running a game on you or he's an insecure little boy. Either way, you've had a good look at what a relationship with him would be like. I know you have strong Pisces placements and you're sensitive and forgiving, too forgiving.
If you insist on another attempt to make contact with this Cappy guy I would forward him a good joke without ANY comment and he would be only one of many receiving it. If he doesn't pick up the phone and call you or email you, I would turn off your Pisces and lose him--permanently. Somewhere in your closet there a stunning little red dress, black dress---whatever. Time to let Leo take over and have some fun. This guy isn't nearly good enough for you anyway.
Sorry for the advice, it's the Leo curse
jwhop
In this case, which has probably resolved itrself by now if it was happening eight months ago, financechick needs to move on. A guy who leaves her hanging like that doesn't deserve her attention (how long was it since he talked to her? Weeks?). I should add that if a romantic interest of mine cut me off, I wouldn't hang around very long.*Some women seem to think that they are entitled to endless toying with all their suitors. That was okay several centuries ago, but not now. You've heard of high power women? I'm a high power guy, and I don't like being strung along.*Well anyway, this is a very hot issue and I've probably said too much all ready. Sheba
------------------Hello everybody! I used to be QueenofSheeba and then I was Apollo and now I am QueenofSheeba again (and I'm a guy in case you didn't know)!
But what he's getting at is a primal truth about the male of most species. We have the strong urge to procreate as a measure of ensuring survival of the species. BUT WOMEN HAVE THIS URGE AS WELL. Ladies, you know it's true, so don't argue with me. You wonder what sex would be like with different men you encounter, but you don't act on it, because you have alot more at risk then we do. You know what I'm saying. Your reputation and the possibility of getting pregnant is what keeps your carnal urges at bay. What do guys have to lose? Not much. But we do have alot to gain. The reputation thing seems to work in our favor, and we don't get pregnant.Woman have also been socialized to believe that sexual aggression is deplorable in a female, and very UNattractive. Heck, I LIKE it.
So, since a woman has alot more at risk, she is much more careful in her choices. Guys, well, heck - we probably should be more careful in our choices, but if we happen upon a lady who's willing to give it up to us, and she's easy on the eyes, and easy to be around, hey, she's in! If she's difficult and demanding and plays too much of the relationship politics game, PLUS doesn't get into the sex thing all that much, what's in it for the guy? It's all nice and good to be informed and have worldy opinions, be able to have intelligent conversations, in fact PLEASE....but don't be bitter because your a woman...at least don't come across like you are.
Are men only interested in sex? No. We want to enjoy you in other rooms too, and outside of the home too. We do go in with our eyes wide open to trying to figure out how to "hit it". Y'all would think there was something wrong with either the guy or yourself he DIDN'T do that.So pardon us for being the procreation initiators and sustainers of the species. But personally, I think y'all prefer it that way.
Didn't mean to open a can of worms. My intent was to get Mens' perspectives as to why some do what they do. Apparently, there is good feedback and there are all kinds of men with a wide range of perspectives. Which is cool for us.
Thank you Guys
Aphrodite
I think this Cappy thread was extremely disgraceful, pity that Proxieme digged out it again.anyway....
I didn't bring it up again; I stopped following that thread when it became painful. I wrote this when the thread initially began (see October date) in an effort to help fc.
I hope that VWP is doing well; she helped me out when I was down.
The Cappy issue is a non issue at this point. I spent way too much time worrying over him and tyring to figure it out but he's not worth it honestly.
We had a fun trip together...and I'm leaving it at that.
I'm not jaded, I've just come to realize that he has obvious issues.
He still sends me e-mail and wants to come over to see my new house and even offered to help me move...but I have enough friends to help me with that.
Just my thoughts.....
Marriage 1: at 18 years old, was annuled when he went into Vietnam
Marriage 2: at 23 years old to my mom (cancer with a cancer moon) has two kids, me and my younger Sag bro. (marriage lasted 14 years)
Marriage 3: at 40 he married my STEPMONSTER - The witchmaster from hell. They divorced when he was about 43. (She was a Virgo)
Marriage 4: at 47 To my nice stepmom, who is alot like my mom (Pisces with an Aries moon. They are still together and very happy.
What I have learned from Cappys is that they really are wonderful men, but inside they are like little boys too. My Abuela (A strong Aries woman) told my mom when she gave birth to me "Hmmm, now you have two kids". Meaning Dad is like a kid. They makes wonderful fathers, great sons, but not so wonderful spouses until they have gotten over their insecurities.
They are also Cardinal sign and they do like control.
How did you come up with your knowflake handle?
Well, I used to be a member of this site under a different name, and when I rejoined I chose a username that rhymed with my first one. I don't give a lot of thought to my names, I just pick 'em (yes, I know QueenofSheeba is a pretty gay name). Why do you ask?
That was totally funny! You put that very bluntly "that is a pretty gay name, why do you ask".
I just had to comment.
Anyway, back to Cappy's.
I find them to be very intriguing. I also find many of their descriptions to be kind of off base. I reread what Linda Goodman said about Cappy's and although I don't totally disagree with her, my experience with them casts them in a different light. (This is mostly regarding the men, my experience with the women seems to be more in agreement with the description of them).
Yes, they are controlling, a bit demanding, money conscience, polite, very mother / daughter / family oriented, BUT, I also find them to be outgoing, charming, funny, sensitive (as they age), romantic (maybe in pursuit?) and nearly opposite to much of what Sun Signs has to say.
Anyone else care to speculate?
I've known Capricorns with either Venus in Aquarius or Pisces---they are so different from each other. Mars in Scorpio is definitely a strong contrast from Mars in Virgo. And, one picks up from there.
That totally makes sense. The Cappy that I am friends with has a Gemini Ascendent and his Mar and Venus are both in Aquarius.
My dad is a Capricorn with his ASC, Venus and Mercury in Capricorn as well. His Mars is in the 7th house in Cancer conjuncting his Saturn and causing a major opposition to his Cappy signs. No wonder the 4 marriages. He also has the Mars square Neptune deal going on (he lies for a living working undercover for the state) AND he has a Leo Singleton - Pluto in his 7th house.
Verrrrrry interesting.
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