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T O P I C R E V I E Wcuriouswomantelephatic connection or soulmates? in addition to saturn trine neptune in synastry.iQTelepathy.CeridwenYeah, damn it. And sometimes it can even get a little annoying. MoonfishI read that mercury would be a "sweet talker" to neptune. Telling them what they always Want to hear instead of what they Need to hear. Whenever someone tries to explain something to the other, they'll have to be clear because confusion & misunderstanding may come into play. BelligerentPygmy quote:Originally posted by Moonfish:I read that mercury would be a "sweet talker" to neptune. Telling them what they always Want to hear instead of what they Need to hear. Whenever someone tries to explain something to the other, they'll have to be clear because confusion & misunderstanding may come into play. Ehhh, I have my doubts about that one - if anything it'd probably be the other way around and it'd be the Neptune person that was snowing the Mercury one. I want to say too though that Neptune contact in synastry doesn't always mean illusion, deception or confusion. People forget for whatever reason that Neptune isn't all bad. Neptune is also spirituality and a lot of other really positive stuff too. So honestly I think when there's Neptune activity going on in synastry it can either be something really really good and profound or something really bad, and only the two people involved will be able to say for sure which extreme it plays out as. In a nutshell, I'm not one that's in that camp that thinks if you see Neptune activity in a synastry chart, it means automatic trouble and that the other party should run.I've actually had synastry with people where my Neptune fell in conjunction with their moon and honestly I kinda prefer to have Neptune active like that. It feels good and you feel like the other person can kinda just innately understand you and 'read' you to some extent, even without the use of actual words. curiouswoman quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen:Yeah, damn it. And sometimes it can even get a little annoying. you know what. sometimes i think of something in the morning and he mentions it in the evening. I wonder if he thinks the same thing..probably Nine quote:Ehhh, I have my doubts about that one - if anything it'd probably be the other way around and it'd be the Neptune person that was snowing the Mercury one. Mercury was Capricorn-Gemini. Neptune was Gemini-Sagittarius. Neptune was utterly confused, besotted, & didn't believe a word out of Mercury's mouth. Mercury was an amazing catch so Neptune questioned the interest. Neptune was caught in a fog, and instead of risking hurt cut things off abruptly. Turns out Mercury was honest, and really did have tickets for two to Paris. But it was too late for Neptune...Mercury seems quite happy these days. scrappydogVery telepathic, not soulmates...though with other impotant aspects it can feel like that at first. appleberryI had my Neptune opposite his Mercury while in tight conjunction with his Neptune and his Neptune was square my Mercury. I always felt like I knew what was going on and I pretty much always found out I was right... it scared him a lot. But he never claimed to feel the same way about me.appleberry quote:Originally posted by Moonfish:I read that mercury would be a "sweet talker" to neptune. Telling them what they always Want to hear instead of what they Need to hear. Whenever someone tries to explain something to the other, they'll have to be clear because confusion & misunderstanding may come into play. yes, in my experience, both of the situations you said were true, but the misunderstandings is a neptune conjunct mercury.appleberry quote:Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy: Ehhh, I have my doubts about that one - if anything it'd probably be the other way around and it'd be the Neptune person that was snowing the Mercury one. I want to say too though that Neptune contact in synastry doesn't always mean illusion, deception or confusion. People forget for whatever reason that Neptune isn't all bad. Neptune is also spirituality and a lot of other really positive stuff too. So honestly I think when there's Neptune activity going on in synastry it can either be something really really good and profound or something really bad, and only the two people involved will be able to say for sure which extreme it plays out as. In a nutshell, I'm not one that's in that camp that thinks if you see Neptune activity in a synastry chart, it means automatic trouble and that the other party should run.I've actually had synastry with people where my Neptune fell in conjunction with their moon and honestly I kinda prefer to have Neptune active like that. It feels good and you feel like the other person can kinda just innately understand you and 'read' you to some extent, even without the use of actual words. I agree that the activated Neptune feels really good... like the relationship is beyond the earthy realm... On a positive note about Neptune and Spirituality: With my Neptune in 3rd House Sagittarius tight conjunct his Mercury... might be the reason I find that I am constantly wanting to help him spiritually and communicate with him regarding spiritual matters... and actually he seems to with me to. CeridwenBP,wholeheartedly agree. Nine,thank you for the warning.curiouswomanso me as the neptune person and him being mercury. he would know when I am thinking about him?prettywordsI was Neptune, he was mercury. I really mistrusted him. I was right to as I found out later. I also have a lot in his 12th. Have it with a friend and I don't trust her either. I think mercury tries to deceive Neptune. curiouswomanoooo ho so? can you please go in detail with guy? popcornIve 4 friend who has theirs mercury in conj to my neptun in scorpio. In general there are strong empathy between us.curiouswomando you feel what they feel?curiouswomanhow bout regarding feeling. do u feel what they feel?curiouswomananyone else?Alma SunThere's a link that describes Merc/Neptune (and other Neptune aspects), but you have to open it up in Adobe Reader or something since it's a pdf file.. http://d.scribd.com/docs/1btqcdqf2mg7kjkq938i.pdf Neptune-Mercury Aspects in SynastryIn the enchanted eyes of Neptune, Mercury becomes Mercurius, alchemicalworker of magic and psychopomp of souls awaiting rebirth. Neptuneexperiences, in Mercury's cleverness, dexterity, versatility, and winged feet,an elixir which can persuade the frowning angel with the flaming swordto relent, just this once. Even if the Mercury person is not intellectually inclined, nevertheless Neptune may idealise one or another of theMercurial attributes, physical or mental, and see in the Mercury person thefriend, companion, and guide who can formulate answers to all Neptune'sunexpressed questions. Neptune, in turn, can open Mercury's pragmaticeyes to the mysteries of the heart and the imagination. Often the dialoguebetween these two is poetic and inspired; for Mercury can give voice to theunspoken feeling-world of Neptune. The chief problem is that both planets,given the right (or wrong) circumstances, can be shameless liars. Neptunebecause of its mirroring nature and need to please at all costs, andMercury because, to the god of tricksters and thieves, truth is a relativebusiness.A kind of telepathic communication may occur between two people when the aspect is close, particularly with the conjunction. Neptune mayintuit the direction of Mercury's thoughts, and Mercury may spontaneouslyarticulate something upon which the Neptune person has been ruminating.An extraordinary example of this exchange is the relationshipbetween the composer Frederick Delius and Eric Fenby, himself a composer,who for several years served as Delius' "amanuensis" when the older manlay blind and paralysed in the final stages of syphilis. Delius communicatedhis final compositions through humming melodies and shouting outnotes; Fenby recorded these abbreviated messages and translated them intomusical scores. Amongst other powerful synastry contacts, Fenby'sMercury and Ascendant conjunct Delius' Neptune.3 Neptune may alsobecome dependent on Mercury's capacity for logic and memory; as in thecase of Delius and Fenby, Neptune may be the gifted but childlike artist,and Mercury the agent or personal secretary. Menander once wrote that theintellect in every man is God. With Mercury-Neptune contacts in synastry,Mercury's intellect may be, for Neptune, divinely inspired. Mercury, inturn, loves an audience so deeply appreciative of its cleverness; for ifNeptune is an hypocrites, Mercury is a standup comedian. Unfortunatelythis can sometimes result in the Neptune person feeling stupid, helpless,and inarticulate in the presence of Mercury's talents, and frightened of themental or practical acumen which evokes such feelings of dependency andidealisation. Mercury's Virgo-face, competent and efficient in dealing withthe affairs of everyday life, can wear the garb of the redeemer as readily asits Gemini-face with its sparkling intellectual mobility.Over time, the Neptune person, eager to please and ready to absorbMercury's ideas, modes of speech, gestures, and mannerisms in order to preserve emotional intimacy, may suppress his or her own mental andpractical gifts. Neptune may rely increasingly on Mercury to organise theaffairs of life and answer all the questions, cosmic or trivial. The Neptuneperson may also show a propensity to say what Mercury wants to hear.Sensing falseness or hypocrisy, Mercury may develop an instinctive mistrustof Neptune, for the god of thieves and liars is himself adept at spottinguntruths. Mercury may also grow irritated and impatient with playinga cross between a secretary and a guru, and may feel frustrated byNeptune's apparent absent-mindedness and mental laziness. ThenMercury may inadvertantly wound Neptune with offhand criticism, whileNeptune may, in turn, begin to lie outright, trying desperately to pleaseand to avoid Mercury's attacking tongue. The Neptune person, if sufficientlyfrightened by the power Mercury wields over his or her thoughts,may try to sabotage Mercury, by disrupting plans, throwing a fog of confusionover important discussions, and creating general chaos. Althoughthere is no overt erotic connotation in the contact between these planets, Neptune's longing for fusion is itself erotic; and the Neptune person mayfind the mind of the other beautiful and seductive. If this aspect occurs within a love-relationship, it may reflect an intensefascination. But lack of directness, particularly about emotional matters,can generate many problems. Mercury may fear speaking out because ofNeptune's extreme sensitivity to anything construed as rejection; andNeptune may avoid confrontation because words themselves are instrumentsof separation.It is through words that we communicate who we are and define ourviewpoint to the world. Once something has been said, it cannot beunsaid, and may create differences or even quarrels. Although Mercury'ssigns are both capable of calculated untruths, the Mercurial individual isaware of it, and can exercise the function of discrimination. In order to liewell, one must be able to distinguish truth. But truth, in Neptunianwaters, is a fluid business, because it reflects the feelings of the moment.Recalling what was said last week is an exercise of Mercurial memory. Neptune often cannot remember what was said last week, because it wasonly words; and anyway the emotional situation has changed in the meantime.Or one thought one said it when one did not; or one remembers havingsaid something else. Neptune can infuriate and frustrate Mercury withthis apparently indifferent attitude toward verbal communication, and theMercury person may fail to understand that words are not given high priorityin Neptune's domain. Mercury's language, though subtle, is precise.Neptune's language hints, infers, implies, and invokes, concealing farmore than it reveals. One of the most positive outlets for this combinationin synastry is a shared creative project, where Neptune's imagery and feelingscan gain structure and substance through Mercury's clarity and discrimination.In creative work their differing modes of perception andexpression can find common ground where both are valued. If Mercurydoes not underestimate Neptune's intelligence or become impatient with Neptune's circular thinking, and if Neptune is willing to take responsibilityfor its own words and ideas, the creative flow can be magical. Evenif the aspect is difficult, it may reflect those rare occasions where two peoplereally can write a book, a screenplay, or a musical composition together.Equally importantly, Mercury and Neptune can preserve magic ineveryday communication; and this may ultimately outlast more romanticbut less viable long-term dreams.------------------"I am not absentminded. It is the presence of mind that makes me unaware of everything else." ― G.K. ChestertonChaosWhat about the exact opp betwen yours & someone else's Mercury, can that give telepathy?? I have that with my friend and I swear we communicate telepathically, it's so weird, freaks me out regularly! curiouswomani think it's the coolest thing honestly. thanks for the link
quote:Originally posted by Moonfish:I read that mercury would be a "sweet talker" to neptune. Telling them what they always Want to hear instead of what they Need to hear. Whenever someone tries to explain something to the other, they'll have to be clear because confusion & misunderstanding may come into play.
Ehhh, I have my doubts about that one - if anything it'd probably be the other way around and it'd be the Neptune person that was snowing the Mercury one.
I want to say too though that Neptune contact in synastry doesn't always mean illusion, deception or confusion. People forget for whatever reason that Neptune isn't all bad. Neptune is also spirituality and a lot of other really positive stuff too. So honestly I think when there's Neptune activity going on in synastry it can either be something really really good and profound or something really bad, and only the two people involved will be able to say for sure which extreme it plays out as.
In a nutshell, I'm not one that's in that camp that thinks if you see Neptune activity in a synastry chart, it means automatic trouble and that the other party should run.
I've actually had synastry with people where my Neptune fell in conjunction with their moon and honestly I kinda prefer to have Neptune active like that. It feels good and you feel like the other person can kinda just innately understand you and 'read' you to some extent, even without the use of actual words.
quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen:Yeah, damn it. And sometimes it can even get a little annoying.
you know what. sometimes i think of something in the morning and he mentions it in the evening. I wonder if he thinks the same thing..probably
quote:Ehhh, I have my doubts about that one - if anything it'd probably be the other way around and it'd be the Neptune person that was snowing the Mercury one.
Mercury was Capricorn-Gemini. Neptune was Gemini-Sagittarius. Neptune was utterly confused, besotted, & didn't believe a word out of Mercury's mouth. Mercury was an amazing catch so Neptune questioned the interest. Neptune was caught in a fog, and instead of risking hurt cut things off abruptly.
Turns out Mercury was honest, and really did have tickets for two to Paris. But it was too late for Neptune...Mercury seems quite happy these days.
yes, in my experience, both of the situations you said were true, but the misunderstandings is a neptune conjunct mercury.
quote:Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy: Ehhh, I have my doubts about that one - if anything it'd probably be the other way around and it'd be the Neptune person that was snowing the Mercury one. I want to say too though that Neptune contact in synastry doesn't always mean illusion, deception or confusion. People forget for whatever reason that Neptune isn't all bad. Neptune is also spirituality and a lot of other really positive stuff too. So honestly I think when there's Neptune activity going on in synastry it can either be something really really good and profound or something really bad, and only the two people involved will be able to say for sure which extreme it plays out as. In a nutshell, I'm not one that's in that camp that thinks if you see Neptune activity in a synastry chart, it means automatic trouble and that the other party should run.I've actually had synastry with people where my Neptune fell in conjunction with their moon and honestly I kinda prefer to have Neptune active like that. It feels good and you feel like the other person can kinda just innately understand you and 'read' you to some extent, even without the use of actual words.
I agree that the activated Neptune feels really good... like the relationship is beyond the earthy realm...
On a positive note about Neptune and Spirituality: With my Neptune in 3rd House Sagittarius tight conjunct his Mercury... might be the reason I find that I am constantly wanting to help him spiritually and communicate with him regarding spiritual matters... and actually he seems to with me to.
wholeheartedly agree.
Nine,
thank you for the warning.
I also have a lot in his 12th.
Have it with a friend and I don't trust her either.
I think mercury tries to deceive Neptune.
Neptune-Mercury Aspects in SynastryIn the enchanted eyes of Neptune, Mercury becomes Mercurius, alchemicalworker of magic and psychopomp of souls awaiting rebirth. Neptuneexperiences, in Mercury's cleverness, dexterity, versatility, and winged feet,an elixir which can persuade the frowning angel with the flaming swordto relent, just this once. Even if the Mercury person is not intellectually inclined, nevertheless Neptune may idealise one or another of theMercurial attributes, physical or mental, and see in the Mercury person thefriend, companion, and guide who can formulate answers to all Neptune'sunexpressed questions. Neptune, in turn, can open Mercury's pragmaticeyes to the mysteries of the heart and the imagination. Often the dialoguebetween these two is poetic and inspired; for Mercury can give voice to theunspoken feeling-world of Neptune. The chief problem is that both planets,given the right (or wrong) circumstances, can be shameless liars. Neptunebecause of its mirroring nature and need to please at all costs, andMercury because, to the god of tricksters and thieves, truth is a relativebusiness.A kind of telepathic communication may occur between two people when the aspect is close, particularly with the conjunction. Neptune mayintuit the direction of Mercury's thoughts, and Mercury may spontaneouslyarticulate something upon which the Neptune person has been ruminating.An extraordinary example of this exchange is the relationshipbetween the composer Frederick Delius and Eric Fenby, himself a composer,who for several years served as Delius' "amanuensis" when the older manlay blind and paralysed in the final stages of syphilis. Delius communicatedhis final compositions through humming melodies and shouting outnotes; Fenby recorded these abbreviated messages and translated them intomusical scores. Amongst other powerful synastry contacts, Fenby'sMercury and Ascendant conjunct Delius' Neptune.3 Neptune may alsobecome dependent on Mercury's capacity for logic and memory; as in thecase of Delius and Fenby, Neptune may be the gifted but childlike artist,and Mercury the agent or personal secretary. Menander once wrote that theintellect in every man is God. With Mercury-Neptune contacts in synastry,Mercury's intellect may be, for Neptune, divinely inspired. Mercury, inturn, loves an audience so deeply appreciative of its cleverness; for ifNeptune is an hypocrites, Mercury is a standup comedian. Unfortunatelythis can sometimes result in the Neptune person feeling stupid, helpless,and inarticulate in the presence of Mercury's talents, and frightened of themental or practical acumen which evokes such feelings of dependency andidealisation. Mercury's Virgo-face, competent and efficient in dealing withthe affairs of everyday life, can wear the garb of the redeemer as readily asits Gemini-face with its sparkling intellectual mobility.Over time, the Neptune person, eager to please and ready to absorbMercury's ideas, modes of speech, gestures, and mannerisms in order to preserve emotional intimacy, may suppress his or her own mental andpractical gifts. Neptune may rely increasingly on Mercury to organise theaffairs of life and answer all the questions, cosmic or trivial. The Neptuneperson may also show a propensity to say what Mercury wants to hear.Sensing falseness or hypocrisy, Mercury may develop an instinctive mistrustof Neptune, for the god of thieves and liars is himself adept at spottinguntruths. Mercury may also grow irritated and impatient with playinga cross between a secretary and a guru, and may feel frustrated byNeptune's apparent absent-mindedness and mental laziness. ThenMercury may inadvertantly wound Neptune with offhand criticism, whileNeptune may, in turn, begin to lie outright, trying desperately to pleaseand to avoid Mercury's attacking tongue. The Neptune person, if sufficientlyfrightened by the power Mercury wields over his or her thoughts,may try to sabotage Mercury, by disrupting plans, throwing a fog of confusionover important discussions, and creating general chaos. Althoughthere is no overt erotic connotation in the contact between these planets, Neptune's longing for fusion is itself erotic; and the Neptune person mayfind the mind of the other beautiful and seductive. If this aspect occurs within a love-relationship, it may reflect an intensefascination. But lack of directness, particularly about emotional matters,can generate many problems. Mercury may fear speaking out because ofNeptune's extreme sensitivity to anything construed as rejection; andNeptune may avoid confrontation because words themselves are instrumentsof separation.It is through words that we communicate who we are and define ourviewpoint to the world. Once something has been said, it cannot beunsaid, and may create differences or even quarrels. Although Mercury'ssigns are both capable of calculated untruths, the Mercurial individual isaware of it, and can exercise the function of discrimination. In order to liewell, one must be able to distinguish truth. But truth, in Neptunianwaters, is a fluid business, because it reflects the feelings of the moment.Recalling what was said last week is an exercise of Mercurial memory. Neptune often cannot remember what was said last week, because it wasonly words; and anyway the emotional situation has changed in the meantime.Or one thought one said it when one did not; or one remembers havingsaid something else. Neptune can infuriate and frustrate Mercury withthis apparently indifferent attitude toward verbal communication, and theMercury person may fail to understand that words are not given high priorityin Neptune's domain. Mercury's language, though subtle, is precise.Neptune's language hints, infers, implies, and invokes, concealing farmore than it reveals. One of the most positive outlets for this combinationin synastry is a shared creative project, where Neptune's imagery and feelingscan gain structure and substance through Mercury's clarity and discrimination.In creative work their differing modes of perception andexpression can find common ground where both are valued. If Mercurydoes not underestimate Neptune's intelligence or become impatient with Neptune's circular thinking, and if Neptune is willing to take responsibilityfor its own words and ideas, the creative flow can be magical. Evenif the aspect is difficult, it may reflect those rare occasions where two peoplereally can write a book, a screenplay, or a musical composition together.Equally importantly, Mercury and Neptune can preserve magic ineveryday communication; and this may ultimately outlast more romanticbut less viable long-term dreams.
------------------"I am not absentminded. It is the presence of mind that makes me unaware of everything else." ― G.K. Chesterton
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