posted November 22, 2011 11:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Moonfish:
I read that mercury would be a "sweet talker" to neptune. Telling them what they always Want to hear instead of what they Need to hear.
Whenever someone tries to explain something to the other, they'll have to be clear because confusion & misunderstanding may come into play.

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Ehhh, I have my doubts about that one - if anything it'd probably be the other way around and it'd be the Neptune person that was snowing the Mercury one.

I want to say too though that Neptune contact in synastry doesn't always mean illusion, deception or confusion. People forget for whatever reason that Neptune isn't all bad. Neptune is also spirituality and a lot of other really positive stuff too. So honestly I think when there's Neptune activity going on in synastry it can either be something really really good and profound or something really bad, and only the two people involved will be able to say for sure which extreme it plays out as.

In a nutshell, I'm not one that's in that camp that thinks if you see Neptune activity in a synastry chart, it means automatic trouble and that the other party should run.

posted November 22, 2011 04:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yeah, damn it. And sometimes it can even get a little annoying.

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posted November 22, 2011 07:36 PM            

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Ehhh, I have my doubts about that one - if anything it'd probably be the other way around and it'd be the Neptune person that was snowing the Mercury one.

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Mercury was Capricorn-Gemini. Neptune was Gemini-Sagittarius. Neptune was utterly confused, besotted, & didn't believe a word out of Mercury's mouth. Mercury was an amazing catch so Neptune questioned the interest. Neptune was caught in a fog, and instead of risking hurt cut things off abruptly.

posted November 23, 2011 01:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Moonfish:
I read that mercury would be a "sweet talker" to neptune. Telling them what they always Want to hear instead of what they Need to hear.
Whenever someone tries to explain something to the other, they'll have to be clear because confusion & misunderstanding may come into play.

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posted November 23, 2011 01:14 AM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:

Ehhh, I have my doubts about that one - if anything it'd probably be the other way around and it'd be the Neptune person that was snowing the Mercury one.

I want to say too though that Neptune contact in synastry doesn't always mean illusion, deception or confusion. People forget for whatever reason that Neptune isn't all bad. Neptune is also spirituality and a lot of other really positive stuff too. So honestly I think when there's Neptune activity going on in synastry it can either be something really really good and profound or something really bad, and only the two people involved will be able to say for sure which extreme it plays out as.

In a nutshell, I'm not one that's in that camp that thinks if you see Neptune activity in a synastry chart, it means automatic trouble and that the other party should run.

I've actually had synastry with people where my Neptune fell in conjunction with their moon and honestly I kinda prefer to have Neptune active like that. It feels good and you feel like the other person can kinda just innately understand you and 'read' you to some extent, even without the use of actual words.

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I agree that the activated Neptune feels really good... like the relationship is beyond the earthy realm...

On a positive note about Neptune and Spirituality: With my Neptune in 3rd House Sagittarius tight conjunct his Mercury... might be the reason I find that I am constantly wanting to help him spiritually and communicate with him regarding spiritual matters... and actually he seems to with me to.

posted November 23, 2011 01:28 AM            

wholeheartedly agree.

Nine,

posted November 26, 2011 12:41 AM            

I also have a lot in his 12th.

Have it with a friend and I don't trust her either.

posted November 27, 2011 04:46 PM            

Neptune-Mercury Aspects in Synastry
In the enchanted eyes of Neptune, Mercury becomes Mercurius, alchemical
worker of magic and psychopomp of souls awaiting rebirth. Neptune
experiences, in Mercury's cleverness, dexterity, versatility, and winged feet,
an elixir which can persuade the frowning angel with the flaming sword
to relent, just this once. Even if the Mercury person is not intellectually inclined, nevertheless Neptune may idealise one or another of the
Mercurial attributes, physical or mental, and see in the Mercury person the
friend, companion, and guide who can formulate answers to all Neptune's
unexpressed questions. Neptune, in turn, can open Mercury's pragmatic
eyes to the mysteries of the heart and the imagination. Often the dialogue
between these two is poetic and inspired; for Mercury can give voice to the
unspoken feeling-world of Neptune. The chief problem is that both planets,
given the right (or wrong) circumstances, can be shameless liars. Neptune
because of its mirroring nature and need to please at all costs, and
Mercury because, to the god of tricksters and thieves, truth is a relative
business.
A kind of telepathic communication may occur between two people when the aspect is close, particularly with the conjunction. Neptune may
intuit the direction of Mercury's thoughts, and Mercury may spontaneously
articulate something upon which the Neptune person has been ruminating.
An extraordinary example of this exchange is the relationship
between the composer Frederick Delius and Eric Fenby, himself a composer,
who for several years served as Delius' "amanuensis" when the older man
lay blind and paralysed in the final stages of syphilis. Delius communicated
his final compositions through humming melodies and shouting out
notes; Fenby recorded these abbreviated messages and translated them into
musical scores. Amongst other powerful synastry contacts, Fenby's
Mercury and Ascendant conjunct Delius' Neptune.3 Neptune may also
become dependent on Mercury's capacity for logic and memory; as in the
case of Delius and Fenby, Neptune may be the gifted but childlike artist,
and Mercury the agent or personal secretary. Menander once wrote that the
intellect in every man is God. With Mercury-Neptune contacts in synastry,
Mercury's intellect may be, for Neptune, divinely inspired. Mercury, in
turn, loves an audience so deeply appreciative of its cleverness; for if
Neptune is an hypocrites, Mercury is a standup comedian. Unfortunately
this can sometimes result in the Neptune person feeling stupid, helpless,
and inarticulate in the presence of Mercury's talents, and frightened of the
mental or practical acumen which evokes such feelings of dependency and
idealisation. Mercury's Virgo-face, competent and efficient in dealing with
the affairs of everyday life, can wear the garb of the redeemer as readily as
its Gemini-face with its sparkling intellectual mobility.
Over time, the Neptune person, eager to please and ready to absorb
Mercury's ideas, modes of speech, gestures, and mannerisms in order to preserve emotional intimacy, may suppress his or her own mental and
practical gifts. Neptune may rely increasingly on Mercury to organise the
affairs of life and answer all the questions, cosmic or trivial. The Neptune
person may also show a propensity to say what Mercury wants to hear.
Sensing falseness or hypocrisy, Mercury may develop an instinctive mistrust
of Neptune, for the god of thieves and liars is himself adept at spotting
untruths. Mercury may also grow irritated and impatient with playing
a cross between a secretary and a guru, and may feel frustrated by
Neptune's apparent absent-mindedness and mental laziness. Then
Mercury may inadvertantly wound Neptune with offhand criticism, while
Neptune may, in turn, begin to lie outright, trying desperately to please
and to avoid Mercury's attacking tongue. The Neptune person, if sufficiently
frightened by the power Mercury wields over his or her thoughts,
may try to sabotage Mercury, by disrupting plans, throwing a fog of confusion
over important discussions, and creating general chaos. Although
there is no overt erotic connotation in the contact between these planets, Neptune's longing for fusion is itself erotic; and the Neptune person may
find the mind of the other beautiful and seductive. If this aspect occurs within a love-relationship, it may reflect an intense
fascination. But lack of directness, particularly about emotional matters,
can generate many problems. Mercury may fear speaking out because of
Neptune's extreme sensitivity to anything construed as rejection; and
Neptune may avoid confrontation because words themselves are instruments
of separation.
It is through words that we communicate who we are and define our
viewpoint to the world. Once something has been said, it cannot be
unsaid, and may create differences or even quarrels. Although Mercury's
signs are both capable of calculated untruths, the Mercurial individual is
aware of it, and can exercise the function of discrimination. In order to lie
well, one must be able to distinguish truth. But truth, in Neptunian
waters, is a fluid business, because it reflects the feelings of the moment.
Recalling what was said last week is an exercise of Mercurial memory. Neptune often cannot remember what was said last week, because it was
only words; and anyway the emotional situation has changed in the meantime.
Or one thought one said it when one did not; or one remembers having
said something else. Neptune can infuriate and frustrate Mercury with
this apparently indifferent attitude toward verbal communication, and the
Mercury person may fail to understand that words are not given high priority
in Neptune's domain. Mercury's language, though subtle, is precise.
Neptune's language hints, infers, implies, and invokes, concealing far
more than it reveals. One of the most positive outlets for this combination
in synastry is a shared creative project, where Neptune's imagery and feelings
can gain structure and substance through Mercury's clarity and discrimination.
In creative work their differing modes of perception and
expression can find common ground where both are valued. If Mercury
does not underestimate Neptune's intelligence or become impatient with Neptune's circular thinking, and if Neptune is willing to take responsibility
for its own words and ideas, the creative flow can be magical. Even
if the aspect is difficult, it may reflect those rare occasions where two people
really can write a book, a screenplay, or a musical composition together.
Equally importantly, Mercury and Neptune can preserve magic in
everyday communication; and this may ultimately outlast more romantic
but less viable long-term dreams.