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T O P I C R E V I E Wsandh3 Neptune?"Near Relatives: We were considered the “black sheep” of my mother’s family because she “married beneath herself.” (You’ve all met Mom’s sister, my mean Aunt Bernadine.) It would be an understatement to say that my father’s family was problematic. On both sides, there were lots of alcoholics and lots of secrets no one talked about. No close connections on either side, major feelings of shame." http://skywriter.wordpress.com/2010/06/20/viewing-the-3rd-house-through-the-lens-of-neptune/ Moon/ Pluto?Those with Moon/Pluto aspect often have a dark childhood. Dark here does not mean it is just naturally bad, but the way they experience their childhood, their home, family, roots and mother is the different the those with say, Moon/Venus , Moon/Jupiter harminous aspects. Here, the mother could be a devouring figure, and the family atmosphere can be so tense. This is because the child is more " sensitive " to the underground vibes that are inherent in the family. If the family has many children then the child with Moon/Pluto might as well be the blacksheep, the scapegoat. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110921234847AAUKUNF Pluto in h4,h8, h12?"The black sheep of the family becomes the cause of sorrow at home and may even be shunned completely. The astrological signficators for family scapegoating and being labelled the black sheep of the family can vary. Sometimes it is seen with Pluto in the water houses 4th, 8th, or 12th and may be an implication of past complexes left over by family members that have been left unresolved for many years. The water houses represent things moving unconsciously through the family psyche. Pluto in the 4th house is often left to deal with a family fate of some kind, but they may be the agents of family change and transformation, and so there can be positive aspects to being the black sheep if it brings healing to old conflicts." http://theastrologyplace.blogspot.com/2011/08/family-scapegoat.html ^there's abit more in the link. that's pretty much all i've come across tho. anything else?MoonfishScorpio Pluto 8H Yes i'm definitely the blacksheep in my family. However I don't feel "sorrow" or like i've been shunned. sandcould mean just different. mine are conservative and frugal, then there's me LOL! the moon in my moon pluto is in leo! I believe i will surpass my parent's successes so i am not the blacksheep in terms of worldy achievements. i have tattoos and piercings but i can play conservative better coz i am a taurus. still i don't feel much connection to both sides. AnglerfishThat last link is good. Pluto in the 12th here.------------------12.5% of the planets have 71% of the mass. #OccupyJupiter.(I'd totally post the pic in my siggy if I could)scrappydogI was always the blacksheep of my whole family even as a child, I was also scapegoated on a lot especially by my older sister who is very mercurial and quite devious.Im a sun conj pluto, moon in cappy in 8th and afflicted neptune in 8th as well, scorpio stelluim.I thik Liz Greene spoke of this in her book on fate, how sometimes sun-plutonians or moon-plutonians have to somehow "carry" everything that is dark and unaccetable for the whole family, even if it is not actually them then it will somehow be "pushed off" onto them.peachbeigeblueI'm the black sheep. H12 Scorpio Pluto opposite Taurus moon. I'm one of four. I'm not bad... I'm just not fake and am the only child with a fixed sign let alone all big 3 in fixed signs. Im also the only fire sun in my family. Bump it, though. peachbeigeblueI'm the black sheep. H12 Scorpio Pluto opposite Taurus moon. I'm one of four. I'm not bad... I'm just not fake and am the only child with a fixed sign let alone all big 3 in fixed signs. Im also the only fire sun in my family. Bump it, though. ShyVirgo1979What aspect for the moon/pluto? I have the trine (a pretty close orb) and I was the 'black sheep' out of my sisters. sandI think any? Not sure. I have only talked with the squares tho and same for the few I've spoken to.scrappydogI know a major black sheep that was actually shunned/abandoned by his own family. He has a t square between moon/pluto/mars and pluto is in the 8th h. Sun is also in the 4th conj ic and trine pluto 0*.tautomer4314I have moon conjunct pluto and yes in several respects my childhood was rather rough. My homelife with my mother was good. However, school life in elementary school, and home life with my father was not (parents divorced when I was 3). When it did come to school, I was made fun of very often because I was such a bizzare socially clunky child. I was very friendly and talkative, I just didn't do it in a way that other kids received well. I was just too different and it was often pointed out to me. My father and I are WILDLY different people, and he is/was not very tollarent of those who are different then him. I am quite different from that side of the family. If my father and I ever agree on something and our family is around, most of the time someone will say something like "...wait a second, are they agreeing on something?! This is national news worthy!". I take it in good stride.Interestingly, I have an absolutely WONDERFUL relationship with my mother. Me and her are actually soulmates. We've figured this out through many different means. We have had so many countless lifetimes with each other that it is so rare that we are ever apart. We currently live 2500 miles away from each other and that is very hard. We manage though. We're extremely close. I think a major reason why our relationship is so good is that despite my moon/pluto conjunction, both are well aspected with no nasty aspects.I also have neptune in the 3rd. My father has kept many secrets from me, and still does. Little does he know that I have since figured them out through many different means. He feels it will change my opinion on him. It hasn't at all, it's actually caused me to respect him more. Yet, I can never tell him I know because he would simply not understand how I feel the way I do.------------------It's All Elemental-----My Chart if relevantWild-flowerWhat an interesting topic! Insightful articles too. I'm the "black sheep" of the whole family. As in siblings, parents, grandparents, great grand parents... I'm alienated from them all. I have a hades moon (exact trine) as well as a T-square to my moon from Saturn/Mars and Chiron. A sextile from Neptune too. I also have my Sun, Venus, Mercury and Jupiter in the 12th house. Uranus (ruler of my 12th) conjunct Midheaven probably doesn't help either.I don't think I stood a chance really. My mum drank castor oil to induce me early so I wouldn't be born on my paternal grandmothers birthday! Otherwise things might have been verrrrry different eh. It's not a problem for me any more, I see it as being free from obligations. However this in itself might be a problem for them.
"Near Relatives: We were considered the “black sheep” of my mother’s family because she “married beneath herself.” (You’ve all met Mom’s sister, my mean Aunt Bernadine.) It would be an understatement to say that my father’s family was problematic. On both sides, there were lots of alcoholics and lots of secrets no one talked about. No close connections on either side, major feelings of shame." http://skywriter.wordpress.com/2010/06/20/viewing-the-3rd-house-through-the-lens-of-neptune/
Moon/ Pluto?
Those with Moon/Pluto aspect often have a dark childhood. Dark here does not mean it is just naturally bad, but the way they experience their childhood, their home, family, roots and mother is the different the those with say, Moon/Venus , Moon/Jupiter harminous aspects. Here, the mother could be a devouring figure, and the family atmosphere can be so tense. This is because the child is more " sensitive " to the underground vibes that are inherent in the family. If the family has many children then the child with Moon/Pluto might as well be the blacksheep, the scapegoat. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110921234847AAUKUNF
Pluto in h4,h8, h12?
"The black sheep of the family becomes the cause of sorrow at home and may even be shunned completely. The astrological signficators for family scapegoating and being labelled the black sheep of the family can vary. Sometimes it is seen with Pluto in the water houses 4th, 8th, or 12th and may be an implication of past complexes left over by family members that have been left unresolved for many years. The water houses represent things moving unconsciously through the family psyche. Pluto in the 4th house is often left to deal with a family fate of some kind, but they may be the agents of family change and transformation, and so there can be positive aspects to being the black sheep if it brings healing to old conflicts." http://theastrologyplace.blogspot.com/2011/08/family-scapegoat.html
^there's abit more in the link. that's pretty much all i've come across tho. anything else?
------------------12.5% of the planets have 71% of the mass. #OccupyJupiter.(I'd totally post the pic in my siggy if I could)
When it did come to school, I was made fun of very often because I was such a bizzare socially clunky child. I was very friendly and talkative, I just didn't do it in a way that other kids received well. I was just too different and it was often pointed out to me.
My father and I are WILDLY different people, and he is/was not very tollarent of those who are different then him. I am quite different from that side of the family. If my father and I ever agree on something and our family is around, most of the time someone will say something like "...wait a second, are they agreeing on something?! This is national news worthy!". I take it in good stride.
Interestingly, I have an absolutely WONDERFUL relationship with my mother. Me and her are actually soulmates. We've figured this out through many different means. We have had so many countless lifetimes with each other that it is so rare that we are ever apart. We currently live 2500 miles away from each other and that is very hard. We manage though. We're extremely close. I think a major reason why our relationship is so good is that despite my moon/pluto conjunction, both are well aspected with no nasty aspects.
I also have neptune in the 3rd. My father has kept many secrets from me, and still does. Little does he know that I have since figured them out through many different means. He feels it will change my opinion on him. It hasn't at all, it's actually caused me to respect him more. Yet, I can never tell him I know because he would simply not understand how I feel the way I do.
------------------It's All Elemental-----My Chart if relevant
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