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T O P I C R E V I E WLionessHas anyone experienced NN square saturn in synastry?How did that play out?I have this with fishy it's a tight 1 orb square..I am saturn he is NN..FaithYeah...everyone born around my time has that natally, more or less, so we all had it with each other.I don't think it's that bad. My best friend's Saturn is square my nodes, but out of orb, and another good friend's Saturn squares my axis almost exact. I knew both girls for a while before I actually became friends with them.So maybe that was Saturn's role in things?Edit! OMG I forget that my Saturn also squares my husband's nodes. Just by sign, though, it's way out of orb. There are so many Saturn contacts in our synastry, I can't even tell what's what. Maybe I'll recognize something after other people leave comments.LionessThanks.. It wouldnt be generational between me and him. We have different Saturns and different NNAny romantic relationships with this? Seems like even between friends, it would be a fated friendship and or some sort of karma.. Linda JonesHi Lioness,If we keep in mind that Saturn square NN would also square SN ...... then yes, karmic would be pretty much definite.So Saturn = KarmaSquare = DifficultySN = Past Life ( if you believe in it) FaithMy husband is 18 years older than me, so it's not generational with us. But again, out of orb.Hope you get real feedback soon. Lioness@ LindaDo you think it just means "karma" together because of past life? @FaithYou have this with your husband? Do you feel like its some sort of karma? Linda JonesNo. I think I would take it to mean some difficulty in past life that you two faced which resulted in generating karma between the two of you.So in this life the difficulty may continue (square NN), but your awareness can help you to rise above the karmic obligation and therefore resolve it, rather than continue with the same pattern.How tight are the orbs?*EDIT*Sorry just being nerdy and specific about what I mean lol'Cause having karma with someone can mean both positive and negative.FaithKarma with him, definitely. We barely make any sense as a couple, I mean we come from such different backgrounds and are opposites in a lot of ways. But I do believe that having the same nodal axis was one of the key things that brought us together; I could relate to him, almost like he was from my generation. We also have his Saturn exactly conjunct my Venus...and some other karmic stuff.Hoping you get a lot of responses because this is interesting but I just don't know where to begin, trying to pinpoint how this is playing out for us. For what it's worth I FEEL like I have to stay with him, make sure he "gets to" his NN. I have always felt strangely committed to trying to help him advance, even when I just met him. Maybe that's my Saturn spanning the time across his nodes? But I'm totally guessing here.LionessThe orb is 1 My Saturn at 18Gemhis NN at 17VirLinda JonesYeah, so it's pretty tight, meaning the effect will be more pronounced.Also consider the signs and houses of the placements because this aspect will affect those.What does it look like in the composite? (Saturn and the nodal axis)LionessThanks faith.. Yeah I have feeling, like I have to let this play out.. Rather good or bad.. I feel stuck in a way.. But at the same time I get mixed feelings like I cant be w/o him.. Also his Saturn conjuncts my Vertex.. So I for sure got my self in a pickle here. Lioness quote:Originally posted by Linda Jones:Yeah, so it's pretty tight, meaning the effect will be more pronounced.Also consider the signs and houses of the placements because this aspect will affect those.What does it look like in the composite? (Saturn and the nodal axis)There is a loose trine in the CompositeSaturn in can trine NN in Scoprio. Its wide though 7 orbs. But Saturn is at a critical degree 29Can In the Composite NN conjuncts MarsSun/Merc conjunct SNFaithLOL "pickle"Well I sympathize, I'm totally in a pickle, too. Linda JonesLioness,Sorry I was gone for a bit So composite is a bit better, loose orb and all.But Saturn whether in hard or soft aspects, has the same basic characteristics--i.e., wants structure, solidness, only that which is real, wants to build slowly, wants/needs to teach lessons slowly, will reject anything without a solid foundation, etc.In order to achieve all this, Saturn imposes rules and regulations, which can be seen as restrictions by non-Saturn types. If he doesn't get his way, Saturn can be critical, stubborn, and a total wet blanket.But I'm of the opinion that if you understand and work with the energies of Saturn, that "pickle" can be made spicy too lol, because once Saturn is satisfied, he is actually known to bless in ways no other planet can w.r.t. the physical, practical world we live in.Now in your case, I remember from the other thread you have Saturn on your IC in Gemini, and you have asteroid Karma in your 7H. (remember Karma fine tunes Saturn). So I think you already understand from the other thread that you have relationship karma involving the expression or communication of love (Gemini Saturn, on the IC meaning growing up if love wasn't communicated effectively to you, then you in turn will have difficulties with this expression in your adult relationships).With Fishy's NN in Virgo, he'll need to learn selfless service toward others in order to fulfill his destiny (the house of his NN will also matter).But with your Saturn squaring his NN, even though you will feel obliged to see that he fulfills his destiny, you may become easily critical of him if you think he's not doing it, not doing it correctly, or not putting in enough effort, etc.The biggest thing to watch out for with Saturn is Saturn's ego and a tendency to criticize and judge, i.e the need to see that Fishy moves toward his goals, and expressing any assistance in a loving manner.And since this is your own karmic lesson to learn in this life, you'll have to realize that when you've yourself mastered your own karmic lesson of learning to express and communicate love effectively, then at the same time you will be able to assist him too in a loving constructive manner.Main thing---keep criticism to an absolute minimum. Find newer and more constructive ways to communicate to him in a language that he understands and is comfortable accepting.Finally, check to see what asteroid Karma is doing in your synastry and composite (sign and house). If it's making some soft aspects, your task will become that much easier, altho I feel that even with soft aspects, Saturn will always remain the task master he is, rewarding only when the lessons are learned fully.But without Saturn, there would be no longevity in relationships, no marriages, no permanency, etc. I don't think that's a good alternative.The trick is to learn how to make a Saturn "pickle" spicy. Lava FlowerHey Lioness, I have this with someone, my moon - saturn opposition both square his nodal axes by 0.We met by pure chance, I was not supposed to be there at all!! There was this overwhelming recognition, I just knew him deep down inside, I don't know anyone else I have sooo much in common with. Its actually really frightening to hear him speak MY thoughts, views, beliefs. We have a psyche-Eros DW 0*. Our ASC are conjunct 0*. On the day we met, the sun was at 29*, conjunct my progressed Venus 0* orb, the transiting Venus was conjunct my natal Venus 1* and my vertex 2* opposite his Saturn 4*. That day, the sun, moon and mars were at 29*, and the transiting Psyche and Eros were both at 20*, activating our conjunction. In the composite, saturn squares the NN 2*. Never, ever, ever in my life have I felt so safe and familiar with anyone right away. I have major trust issues, but I truly trusted him. I met him at a time that I needed him most, I cannot even describe it, but I know it was meant to be. Sometimes I look at him and try to figure out who he reminds me of, its somewhat unsettling.We have known each other for a year, although it feels like a lifetime. We have a deep connection, but no matter how much we feel attracted to one another, we have never acted on it (because of me). For some strange reason, it feels wrong to me, like I will hurt him, and I care deeply about him. I trust my gut (or learning to), and I almost feel like we met to inspire, encourage and support one anther one last time. He feels differently, and expressed his desire to have a relationship with me, and he says he's usually right on about stuff like that, but I have been distancing myself from him, because I know it won't be that way. As far as feeling like there's karma attached, oh yes, it feels heavy. But at the same time, this is the firs person, so far, that Ive met and felt like we have spent lifetimes together. Lava FlowerOh and out vertexes are conjunct 0*, and his Saturn is conjunct my vertex 2*Edit: we also have Fortuna conjunct SN DW 0*, and our asteroids Destinn conjunct 0*, and karma conjunct 1* and making aspects to our suns and his moon. How cool is astrology!!Doux RêveI have this with someone I've been in love with for the past (almost) 3 years.And uh, nothing worked out, but I can't get over him, even now when I am with someone else.We were never in a relationship, but my feelings were/are so strong that it's hard to express their intensity with simple words.His Saturn/Mars opposition squares my ASC/DSC + NN/SN axis (2° orb).I think about him very often, but we haven't seen each other for a year now.There's definitely karma there, his Karma asteroid conjuncts my Sun and my Karma (although widely, 5°) conjuncts his NN.We have tons and tons of tight and not so tight Saturn aspects which I think prevented/prevent us from getting close to each other.I know it was mutual but I don't know if he still has some feelings for me or not.It makes me quite sad because he's the only person I'd do a *lot* for. I only feel that way about him. Such a shame.LionessI gotta vent..The crap just hit the.fan... I'm at work and getting accused of f.ing.some vendor..I don't have the patience for this jealousy bs..I hate accusations w/o some sort of merit behind it...He just doesn't know the type of person I really am..I even tried to re assure him. I told him how special he is to me.. He said whatever!!!!!!!!I'm ****** off!LionessI haven't read the replies yet.. But I will later..Nancy24I haven't read the replies yet.. But I will later..Can anyone tell me something more about the aspects that I share with my partner? Do we share future together? Saturn is a ***** in my opinion, esp. with Saturn trine Venus - WE ALWAYS FORGIVE EACH OTHER NO MATTER WHAT AND WE CAN ALWAYS RELY ON EACH OTHER. I Can't shake him off. My planets are on the left. I'd appreciate any help I can get here. We don't have any major aspects but our bond is really strong. HELP! Please explain this relationship to me Sun Opposition Jupiter 3.46 -73Mercury Opposition Jupiter 0.24 -101Mercury Trine Saturn 0.34 89Mars Trine Mars 0.15 93Saturn Trine Venus 2.29 60Saturn Conjunction Uranus 3.15 72Neptune Trine Sun 3.27 55 369 -174 195FuzzyI'm not sure if the square would make things that much different, but I had an almost exact Saturn conjunct North Node with someone in synastry (0.30 degree orb). I read somewhere this often indicates a relationship where two people love each other and want to be together but for some reason can't be. True for me. I had an extremely dramatic experience with this and it hit me strongly and changed me. I'm the Saturn here.For me it also wasn't generational, I don't come across people with that N.Node often.Aquacheeka quote:Originally posted by Linda Jones:Hi Lioness,If we keep in mind that Saturn square NN would also square SN ...... then yes, karmic would be pretty much definite.So Saturn = KarmaSquare = DifficultySN = Past Life ( if you believe in it) What does the conjunction represents?ThefishI've never gotten an accurate description regarding saturn conjunct Nnode in synastry. It seems to me that in terms of past life saturn conjunct nnode suggests that the saturn person was a fatherly figure to the nnode person.In terms of application saturn nnode seems to create feelings of obligation and duty for the nnode person but unless they've struggled and have been put on the nnode path they wouldn't be able to handle the obligation/duty.We already see nnode moon as a very strong synastry aspect but we recognize that the moon person is reluctant becuase of the difficulties of heading to the north node.Perhaps the saturn person teaches the nnode person the duties and obligations needed to learn the nnode lessons.Lioness@ lindaGeez.. I checked composite karma.. It's in leo in h3Trines venus and neptuneSextile moon, pluto, jupiterThere is a wide sq to nn, 8 orbs.But guess what I noticed..Composite karma is conjunct my natal sun, moon, merc..Composite destinn is conjunct his natal sun and sq.his moon...Ill be back later.to answer the other post.. I'm trying to get over what happen.yesterday...
How did that play out?
I have this with fishy it's a tight 1 orb square..
I am saturn he is NN..
I don't think it's that bad. My best friend's Saturn is square my nodes, but out of orb, and another good friend's Saturn squares my axis almost exact.
I knew both girls for a while before I actually became friends with them.
So maybe that was Saturn's role in things?
Edit! OMG I forget that my Saturn also squares my husband's nodes. Just by sign, though, it's way out of orb.
There are so many Saturn contacts in our synastry, I can't even tell what's what. Maybe I'll recognize something after other people leave comments.
It wouldnt be generational between me and him. We have different Saturns and different NN
Any romantic relationships with this?
Seems like even between friends, it would be a fated friendship and or some sort of karma..
If we keep in mind that Saturn square NN would also square SN ...
... then yes, karmic would be pretty much definite.So Saturn = KarmaSquare = DifficultySN = Past Life ( if you believe in it)
Hope you get real feedback soon.
@FaithYou have this with your husband? Do you feel like its some sort of karma?
So in this life the difficulty may continue (square NN), but your awareness can help you to rise above the karmic obligation and therefore resolve it, rather than continue with the same pattern.
How tight are the orbs?
*EDIT*Sorry just being nerdy and specific about what I mean lol'Cause having karma with someone can mean both positive and negative.
But I do believe that having the same nodal axis was one of the key things that brought us together; I could relate to him, almost like he was from my generation.
We also have his Saturn exactly conjunct my Venus...and some other karmic stuff.
Hoping you get a lot of responses because this is interesting but I just don't know where to begin, trying to pinpoint how this is playing out for us.
For what it's worth I FEEL like I have to stay with him, make sure he "gets to" his NN. I have always felt strangely committed to trying to help him advance, even when I just met him. Maybe that's my Saturn spanning the time across his nodes?
But I'm totally guessing here.
My Saturn at 18Gemhis NN at 17Vir
Also consider the signs and houses of the placements because this aspect will affect those.
What does it look like in the composite? (Saturn and the nodal axis)
Yeah I have feeling, like I have to let this play out.. Rather good or bad.. I feel stuck in a way.. But at the same time I get mixed feelings like I cant be w/o him..
Also his Saturn conjuncts my Vertex.. So I for sure got my self in a pickle here.
quote:Originally posted by Linda Jones:Yeah, so it's pretty tight, meaning the effect will be more pronounced.Also consider the signs and houses of the placements because this aspect will affect those.What does it look like in the composite? (Saturn and the nodal axis)
There is a loose trine in the CompositeSaturn in can trine NN in Scoprio. Its wide though 7 orbs.
But Saturn is at a critical degree 29Can
In the Composite NN conjuncts MarsSun/Merc conjunct SN
Well I sympathize, I'm totally in a pickle, too.
Sorry I was gone for a bit
So composite is a bit better, loose orb and all.
But Saturn whether in hard or soft aspects, has the same basic characteristics--i.e., wants structure, solidness, only that which is real, wants to build slowly, wants/needs to teach lessons slowly, will reject anything without a solid foundation, etc.
In order to achieve all this, Saturn imposes rules and regulations, which can be seen as restrictions by non-Saturn types. If he doesn't get his way, Saturn can be critical, stubborn, and a total wet blanket.
But I'm of the opinion that if you understand and work with the energies of Saturn, that "pickle" can be made spicy too lol, because once Saturn is satisfied, he is actually known to bless in ways no other planet can w.r.t. the physical, practical world we live in.
Now in your case, I remember from the other thread you have Saturn on your IC in Gemini, and you have asteroid Karma in your 7H. (remember Karma fine tunes Saturn). So I think you already understand from the other thread that you have relationship karma involving the expression or communication of love (Gemini Saturn, on the IC meaning growing up if love wasn't communicated effectively to you, then you in turn will have difficulties with this expression in your adult relationships).
With Fishy's NN in Virgo, he'll need to learn selfless service toward others in order to fulfill his destiny (the house of his NN will also matter).
But with your Saturn squaring his NN, even though you will feel obliged to see that he fulfills his destiny, you may become easily critical of him if you think he's not doing it, not doing it correctly, or not putting in enough effort, etc.
The biggest thing to watch out for with Saturn is Saturn's ego and a tendency to criticize and judge, i.e the need to see that Fishy moves toward his goals, and expressing any assistance in a loving manner.
And since this is your own karmic lesson to learn in this life, you'll have to realize that when you've yourself mastered your own karmic lesson of learning to express and communicate love effectively, then at the same time you will be able to assist him too in a loving constructive manner.
Main thing---keep criticism to an absolute minimum. Find newer and more constructive ways to communicate to him in a language that he understands and is comfortable accepting.
Finally, check to see what asteroid Karma is doing in your synastry and composite (sign and house). If it's making some soft aspects, your task will become that much easier, altho I feel that even with soft aspects, Saturn will always remain the task master he is, rewarding only when the lessons are learned fully.
But without Saturn, there would be no longevity in relationships, no marriages, no permanency, etc. I don't think that's a good alternative.
The trick is to learn how to make a Saturn "pickle" spicy.
We met by pure chance, I was not supposed to be there at all!! There was this overwhelming recognition, I just knew him deep down inside, I don't know anyone else I have sooo much in common with. Its actually really frightening to hear him speak MY thoughts, views, beliefs.
We have a psyche-Eros DW 0*. Our ASC are conjunct 0*. On the day we met, the sun was at 29*, conjunct my progressed Venus 0* orb, the transiting Venus was conjunct my natal Venus 1* and my vertex 2* opposite his Saturn 4*. That day, the sun, moon and mars were at 29*, and the transiting Psyche and Eros were both at 20*, activating our conjunction. In the composite, saturn squares the NN 2*.
Never, ever, ever in my life have I felt so safe and familiar with anyone right away. I have major trust issues, but I truly trusted him. I met him at a time that I needed him most, I cannot even describe it, but I know it was meant to be. Sometimes I look at him and try to figure out who he reminds me of, its somewhat unsettling.
We have known each other for a year, although it feels like a lifetime. We have a deep connection, but no matter how much we feel attracted to one another, we have never acted on it (because of me). For some strange reason, it feels wrong to me, like I will hurt him, and I care deeply about him. I trust my gut (or learning to), and I almost feel like we met to inspire, encourage and support one anther one last time. He feels differently, and expressed his desire to have a relationship with me, and he says he's usually right on about stuff like that, but I have been distancing myself from him, because I know it won't be that way.
As far as feeling like there's karma attached, oh yes, it feels heavy. But at the same time, this is the firs person, so far, that Ive met and felt like we have spent lifetimes together.
Edit: we also have Fortuna conjunct SN DW 0*, and our asteroids Destinn conjunct 0*, and karma conjunct 1* and making aspects to our suns and his moon. How cool is astrology!!
And uh, nothing worked out, but I can't get over him, even now when I am with someone else.We were never in a relationship, but my feelings were/are so strong that it's hard to express their intensity with simple words.
His Saturn/Mars opposition squares my ASC/DSC + NN/SN axis (2° orb).
I think about him very often, but we haven't seen each other for a year now.
There's definitely karma there, his Karma asteroid conjuncts my Sun and my Karma (although widely, 5°) conjuncts his NN.
We have tons and tons of tight and not so tight Saturn aspects which I think prevented/prevent us from getting close to each other.
I know it was mutual but I don't know if he still has some feelings for me or not.
It makes me quite sad because he's the only person I'd do a *lot* for. I only feel that way about him. Such a shame.
The crap just hit the.fan... I'm at work and getting accused of f.ing.some vendor..I don't have the patience for this jealousy bs..I hate accusations w/o some sort of merit behind it...
He just doesn't know the type of person I really am..
I even tried to re assure him. I told him how special he is to me.. He said whatever!!!!!!!!
I'm ****** off!
For me it also wasn't generational, I don't come across people with that N.Node often.
quote:Originally posted by Linda Jones:Hi Lioness,If we keep in mind that Saturn square NN would also square SN ...... then yes, karmic would be pretty much definite.So Saturn = KarmaSquare = DifficultySN = Past Life ( if you believe in it)
What does the conjunction represents?
In terms of application saturn nnode seems to create feelings of obligation and duty for the nnode person but unless they've struggled and have been put on the nnode path they wouldn't be able to handle the obligation/duty.
We already see nnode moon as a very strong synastry aspect but we recognize that the moon person is reluctant becuase of the difficulties of heading to the north node.
Perhaps the saturn person teaches the nnode person the duties and obligations needed to learn the nnode lessons.
Geez.. I checked composite karma.. It's in leo in h3Trines venus and neptuneSextile moon, pluto, jupiter
There is a wide sq to nn, 8 orbs.
But guess what I noticed..Composite karma is conjunct my natal sun, moon, merc..Composite destinn is conjunct his natal sun and sq.his moon...
Ill be back later.to answer the other post.. I'm trying to get over what happen.yesterday...
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