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T O P I C R E V I E WLittle DoeI would just like to state something that Iīve observed. I am a cap female and I always butt heads with cap men. Itīs very scary actually. They can be very manipulative and underhanded with their agression. I find alot of them so unevolved, cold and chauvenistic. I often find myslef thinking: Are you serious? And I almost feel embarresed for them. Most of the ones I know are quite sexist. They think all woman are little harmless dolls with harmless little voices that canīt and shouldnīt be taken seriously. At least, that is what women SHOULD be like, in their oppinion. This is not something theyīd ever admit, but I (Scorpio moon) can see right through their talk, and that what Iīve noticed.I personally can get quite furious with this kind of attitude, but I am a cap, and so I donīt openly say what I feel. I know it wonīt change their minds. I just basically try to ignore it, but I usually end up subconciously competing with them. Iīm too proud to surrender to this crap. And usually what happens is that the cap men get even more oppressive and patronizing (God I hate that). It makes me feel like they are woman-haters and secretly gay. Itīs not my intention tpo diss all cap men, just the ones I know. If they have a moon in an earth or air sign itīs even worse. They are to cold and square for me. The weird thing though is that most of these guys at some point tried to flirt with me, and one even confessed that he loves me (after treating me like this. I never could have guessed the man felt anything else that despise for me). I gently turned him down and he refused to speak to me again. I guess they are really emotional underneath, and they have serious issues with professing feelings of love. Sad to say, but they donīt know how to treat a lady. Thatīs odd, because they seem to be really competent in other areas in life. And they are also very sexy and sensual, so itīs a shame really that theyīre kinda pricks.Weird thing is that other women seem to love cap men, especially cancers and leao. They like the old-fashioned chauvenistic thing. But cap men often end up playing them. It is my observation that cap men go for needy women, but secretly love the strong ones.Having said all this, I am currently crushing on a cap man, who also possese all these attributes, so you can imagine my confusion. Anyway thatīs all I had to say. Cheers. I'm so cappyYou made me laugh ------------------I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy.Little Doe quote:Originally posted by I'm so cappy:You made me laugh Iīm glad. I'm so cappyI've never known well any Capricorn man so unfortunately I can't join your rant. That guy must be really hot if you have a crush on him despite his annoying traits ------------------I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy.hikorofrom the cap men ive met: amazing work ethic, hard-workers....but, very traditional when it comes to gender, not flexible at all.....but, i would say the same for the earth men though...traditional astrology states that earth men are the second best option for water people, but...im too progressive for them, it seems. themischievousoneHaha. I giggled reading the post. I've know a lot of Capricorn men... to the point where the running joke my friend has is someone should put a sticker on my ass that says capricorn magnet *sighs*...I've known a few who could seem sexist, but for sure some prefer women with more "traditional" roles. I think it's more of an earth sign thing tho. One Cap that I know (he has so many planets in Capricorn and asc. A stellium going on basically), is VERY big on gender equality. YoursTrulyAlwaysThis Capricorn man has an Air Moon. . No, I'm not most of the things you've described, and I do admire super strong women only. The bulk of my loving relationships have been with Capricorn women. Why? So we can be square, cold and boring together! Just joking. hannaramaaI think Cancer likes Capricorns because it's their complimentary opposite, and Leo likes Capricorn because both signs get off on being bossed around in the bedroom. KeroseneI feel bad for craps they truly have terrible opinions of themselves.If you can't love yourself...edit: LOL craps...Caps*StarlightSmileSupremeSounds like you have plenty of mixed feelings about your Cap crush. Did he just do something to annoy you? Sounds like it. I could be wrong. Hopefully whatever it was, wasn't too bad. Remember not to lump everyone together it tends to cause resentment. asclibrasagsun quote:Originally posted by Kerosene:I feel bad for craps they truly have terrible opinions of themselves.If you can't love yourself...edit: LOL craps...Caps*laughed out loudOdetteI've met Aries/Taurus influenced chauvinists with these views, who behave exactly as you describe.Don't know any male Caps who are like this... but that's just me lolSpecially the 'playing with women' thing... I'm surprised, because they're not that interested in sex or relationships.. The ones I know are more serious, maybe a little nerdy.OdetteOh - I just read the other replies..If this is about the guy on the other thread -- honestly - LOOK..It is NOT you.It is NOT his natal chart.It is NOT his sun sign.It is NOT your synastry.He simply has his own issues. If he does not resolve them (which could take years anyway) - no one else will resolve them for him.And all you will get out of this - is a lot of completely wasted time and energy. Kerosene^If its not from his natal chart than whats the point of astrology? lolThe biggest problem is realizing you have issues and astrology can help point them out. Astrology does not only show what your born with, we're only born with some genetic personality traits but when we develop our environment has a massive impact. I bet that guy has an afflicted moon and venus but a strong mars that makes him unbalanced and in turn chauvinistic.Perhaps he's had terribile experiences with females in his early life so his opinion about females is very low. StarlightSmileSupremeIt seems like this is a pattern in her life. She is attracted to these types who do not sound like they have very good characters imo. I don't know if it's because they are super hot or what but just because someone looks outstanding does not mean you have to put up with a bunch of bs and you should look for other qualities besides just the looks. If it's not that and the guy is just an all around jerk, still, he is not worth it. You can do better than this and should find someone who will treat you like a princess. It is what every girl deserves OdetteAstrology is about style in my opinion.So a Scorpio Mars person could be a jerk in a different *style* to say an Aquarius Mars person... But the decision to treat people nicely/respectfully or to treat them badly - lies with the person.It's free will.And anyone who decides to use their astrological placements in a nasty way... has their own issues.They have their own reasons to do that. You can't *fix* someone who has decided to be a prick or who does not know better -- His/Her chart is meaningless.There are serial killers with a particular chart and particular aspects.. and there are people out there who were born on the same day as them.. who are not murderers.I'm sure if we went out and researched this we could find *identical twins* - where one twin is behaving badly and the other is not. Little DoeI hope everyone understands that this is a completely personal rant. It has no objective validity whatsoever. I have the greatest respect for cap men, itīs just that the ones I know in MY LIFE have been hard for me to get along with.It doesnīt have to do with the guy I like, although yes, heīs a cap. About his "isses" - even if he does have them he is still a person who deserves love and respect from the right person for him. Society doesnīt seem to encourage unconditional love nowdays. People say "If heīs doing this, this and that than he is a jerk and you should leave, and so on". Although I understand that attitude I think that there true love is so much deeper than that and so much more complex, and even if a guy IS a jerk, he can still be your soulmate and very valuable in teaching you lessons, and you know what - even jerks have hearts. If we write them of as jerks then how can we expect to get unconditional love from a man in return?And yes, this attidude most definitely IS a pattern in my life. Thanks all.And I hope the cap man take this with a grain of salt. I was just frustrated with the ones I know, thatīs all. <3Odette quote:About his "isses" - even if he does have them he is still a person who deserves love and respect from the right person for him. I very strongly disagree. Odette quote:If heīs doing this, this and that than he is a jerk and you should leave, and so on"This is not about him at all.You leaving him is not punishment for him being a jerk.You leaving is simply saving yourself a lot of time and energy that will probably go wasted. quote:even if a guy IS a jerk, he can still be your soulmate and very valuable in teaching you lessonsIf you want to say that... then a person who steals from you, physically abuses you, betrays you -- can also be your soulmate.Where do you draw the line?Should a wife stay with a physically abusive husband - because of all the amazing lessons he is teaching her?Personally - I draw the line when the person is disrespectful and does not value what we have. Little Doe quote:Originally posted by Odette: This is not about him at all.You leaving him is not punishment for him being a jerk.You leaving is simply saving yourself a lot of time and energy that will probably go wasted.Well first of, I still strongly feel that all people deserve love and respect, no matter their issues. HOW they are given the love and respect is a different matter. Maybe one shouldnīt have a relationship with them or let them in too close, as they might use that. BUT one can still love them from afair and respect them on a fundamental level.I also understood that you were saying one should leave for ones own safety and not punishment. In this case I have no relationship to leave, but I do get your point.However, relationships are complex. Sometimes problems can be worked through, and sticking it out is necessary for any kind of unconditional love. No one is perfect. I have days when I act like a total ***** , or sometimes I have days when I canīt talk to anyone. I have intimacy problems, and Iīm deeply introverted. Alot of people probably think Iīm nuts according to societys idea of what normal women should behave like. But I still feel likeI deserve a loving relationship and a man who will be there for me even in my darkest moments. And for that I must offer the same. Relationships are about doing things together imo. I highly deubt there is a point in trying to find a person with no "issues", as that is impossible, and takes the learning and growing process out of the equation. I am all about learning and evolving. If Iīm attracte to a guy, I take that as a sign that there is something in his energy that could teach me something. I always listen to my heart as therein lies the only truth as to what man is right for me at a certain time in my life. cappy1277Everybody who we relate to is meant to teach us a lesson but like what was stated already, when do you draw the line? If you don't make boundaries that are needed to have a functional relationship, you're setting the standards pretty low. In my opinion of anyone, they only do what you allow them to get away with & trust me, a Capricorn man will keep upping the ante to a point of testing each other's will....the only thing left will be hard feelings and time that is felt to be wasted because honestly, you want things to work out & live happily ever after. StarlightSmileSupreme quote:Originally posted by Little Doe:I hope everyone understands that this is a completely personal rant. It has no objective validity whatsoever. I have the greatest respect for cap men, itīs just that the ones I know in MY LIFE have been hard for me to get along with.It doesnīt have to do with the guy I like, although yes, heīs a cap. About his "isses" - even if he does have them he is still a person who deserves love and respect from the right person for him. Society doesnīt seem to encourage unconditional love nowdays. People say "If heīs doing this, this and that than he is a jerk and you should leave, and so on". Although I understand that attitude I think that there true love is so much deeper than that and so much more complex, and even if a guy IS a jerk, he can still be your soulmate and very valuable in teaching you lessons, and you know what - even jerks have hearts. If we write them of as jerks then how can we expect to get unconditional love from a man in return?And yes, this attidude most definitely IS a pattern in my life. Thanks all.And I hope the cap man take this with a grain of salt. I was just frustrated with the ones I know, thatīs all. <3If someone is going to be hateful it's better to love them unconditionally but at a great distance, meanwhile find someone who has a better personality and attitude.But, it's your life and you decide what you want out of it.Jessica2407I can def join your rant little doe When I read your opening post, it made me smile,cause I know someone just like you described.I understand your confusion,and your feelings of love for that person you are crushing into.The Cap I know is emotionally manipulative,sexist,opinionated,infuriating,and seriously thinks that women are silly little beings.I don't care much about his feelings for me as much as I care about the respect he owes me as a person,and as a woman.This doesn't mean that I don't love him, I do.But I'm putting my love in the freezer section until he realizes exactly who he is dealing with
I personally can get quite furious with this kind of attitude, but I am a cap, and so I donīt openly say what I feel. I know it wonīt change their minds. I just basically try to ignore it, but I usually end up subconciously competing with them. Iīm too proud to surrender to this crap.
And usually what happens is that the cap men get even more oppressive and patronizing (God I hate that). It makes me feel like they are woman-haters and secretly gay.
Itīs not my intention tpo diss all cap men, just the ones I know. If they have a moon in an earth or air sign itīs even worse. They are to cold and square for me.
The weird thing though is that most of these guys at some point tried to flirt with me, and one even confessed that he loves me (after treating me like this. I never could have guessed the man felt anything else that despise for me). I gently turned him down and he refused to speak to me again. I guess they are really emotional underneath, and they have serious issues with professing feelings of love. Sad to say, but they donīt know how to treat a lady. Thatīs odd, because they seem to be really competent in other areas in life. And they are also very sexy and sensual, so itīs a shame really that theyīre kinda pricks.Weird thing is that other women seem to love cap men, especially cancers and leao. They like the old-fashioned chauvenistic thing. But cap men often end up playing them. It is my observation that cap men go for needy women, but secretly love the strong ones.
Having said all this, I am currently crushing on a cap man, who also possese all these attributes, so you can imagine my confusion.
Anyway thatīs all I had to say.
Cheers.
------------------I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy.
quote:Originally posted by I'm so cappy:You made me laugh
Iīm glad.
I've know a lot of Capricorn men... to the point where the running joke my friend has is someone should put a sticker on my ass that says capricorn magnet *sighs*...
I've known a few who could seem sexist, but for sure some prefer women with more "traditional" roles. I think it's more of an earth sign thing tho.
One Cap that I know (he has so many planets in Capricorn and asc. A stellium going on basically), is VERY big on gender equality.
edit: LOL craps...Caps*
Remember not to lump everyone together it tends to cause resentment.
quote:Originally posted by Kerosene:I feel bad for craps they truly have terrible opinions of themselves.If you can't love yourself...edit: LOL craps...Caps*
laughed out loud
Don't know any male Caps who are like this... but that's just me lolSpecially the 'playing with women' thing... I'm surprised, because they're not that interested in sex or relationships.. The ones I know are more serious, maybe a little nerdy.
If this is about the guy on the other thread -- honestly - LOOK..
It is NOT you.It is NOT his natal chart.It is NOT his sun sign.It is NOT your synastry.
He simply has his own issues. If he does not resolve them (which could take years anyway) - no one else will resolve them for him.
And all you will get out of this - is a lot of completely wasted time and energy.
I bet that guy has an afflicted moon and venus but a strong mars that makes him unbalanced and in turn chauvinistic.Perhaps he's had terribile experiences with females in his early life so his opinion about females is very low.
And anyone who decides to use their astrological placements in a nasty way... has their own issues.They have their own reasons to do that. You can't *fix* someone who has decided to be a prick or who does not know better -- His/Her chart is meaningless.
There are serial killers with a particular chart and particular aspects.. and there are people out there who were born on the same day as them.. who are not murderers.
I'm sure if we went out and researched this we could find *identical twins* - where one twin is behaving badly and the other is not.
It doesnīt have to do with the guy I like, although yes, heīs a cap.
About his "isses" - even if he does have them he is still a person who deserves love and respect from the right person for him. Society doesnīt seem to encourage unconditional love nowdays. People say "If heīs doing this, this and that than he is a jerk and you should leave, and so on". Although I understand that attitude I think that there true love is so much deeper than that and so much more complex, and even if a guy IS a jerk, he can still be your soulmate and very valuable in teaching you lessons, and you know what - even jerks have hearts. If we write them of as jerks then how can we expect to get unconditional love from a man in return?
And yes, this attidude most definitely IS a pattern in my life.
Thanks all.
And I hope the cap man take this with a grain of salt. I was just frustrated with the ones I know, thatīs all. <3
quote:About his "isses" - even if he does have them he is still a person who deserves love and respect from the right person for him.
I very strongly disagree.
quote:If heīs doing this, this and that than he is a jerk and you should leave, and so on"
This is not about him at all.
You leaving him is not punishment for him being a jerk.
You leaving is simply saving yourself a lot of time and energy that will probably go wasted.
quote:even if a guy IS a jerk, he can still be your soulmate and very valuable in teaching you lessons
If you want to say that... then a person who steals from you, physically abuses you, betrays you -- can also be your soulmate.Where do you draw the line?Should a wife stay with a physically abusive husband - because of all the amazing lessons he is teaching her?
Personally - I draw the line when the person is disrespectful and does not value what we have.
quote:Originally posted by Odette: This is not about him at all.You leaving him is not punishment for him being a jerk.You leaving is simply saving yourself a lot of time and energy that will probably go wasted.
Well first of, I still strongly feel that all people deserve love and respect, no matter their issues. HOW they are given the love and respect is a different matter. Maybe one shouldnīt have a relationship with them or let them in too close, as they might use that. BUT one can still love them from afair and respect them on a fundamental level.
I also understood that you were saying one should leave for ones own safety and not punishment. In this case I have no relationship to leave, but I do get your point.
However, relationships are complex. Sometimes problems can be worked through, and sticking it out is necessary for any kind of unconditional love. No one is perfect. I have days when I act like a total ***** , or sometimes I have days when I canīt talk to anyone. I have intimacy problems, and Iīm deeply introverted. Alot of people probably think Iīm nuts according to societys idea of what normal women should behave like. But I still feel likeI deserve a loving relationship and a man who will be there for me even in my darkest moments. And for that I must offer the same.
Relationships are about doing things together imo. I highly deubt there is a point in trying to find a person with no "issues", as that is impossible, and takes the learning and growing process out of the equation. I am all about learning and evolving. If Iīm attracte to a guy, I take that as a sign that there is something in his energy that could teach me something. I always listen to my heart as therein lies the only truth as to what man is right for me at a certain time in my life.
quote:Originally posted by Little Doe:I hope everyone understands that this is a completely personal rant. It has no objective validity whatsoever. I have the greatest respect for cap men, itīs just that the ones I know in MY LIFE have been hard for me to get along with.It doesnīt have to do with the guy I like, although yes, heīs a cap. About his "isses" - even if he does have them he is still a person who deserves love and respect from the right person for him. Society doesnīt seem to encourage unconditional love nowdays. People say "If heīs doing this, this and that than he is a jerk and you should leave, and so on". Although I understand that attitude I think that there true love is so much deeper than that and so much more complex, and even if a guy IS a jerk, he can still be your soulmate and very valuable in teaching you lessons, and you know what - even jerks have hearts. If we write them of as jerks then how can we expect to get unconditional love from a man in return?And yes, this attidude most definitely IS a pattern in my life. Thanks all.And I hope the cap man take this with a grain of salt. I was just frustrated with the ones I know, thatīs all. <3
But, it's your life and you decide what you want out of it.
When I read your opening post, it made me smile,cause I know someone just like you described.I understand your confusion,and your feelings of love for that person you are crushing into.
The Cap I know is emotionally manipulative,sexist,opinionated,infuriating,and seriously thinks that women are silly little beings.I don't care much about his feelings for me as much as I care about the respect he owes me as a person,and as a woman.This doesn't mean that I don't love him, I do.But I'm putting my love in the freezer section until he realizes exactly who he is dealing with
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