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T O P I C R E V I E WOdetteWho are these people? The mooches and freeloaders of the world...What aspects would they have in their chart? Why are they unable or unwilling to stand on their own two feet financially? And most of all - why do they try to use/manipulate others into supporting them financially? As some of you may know, I kind of have my own ideas on this topic... but I'd rather keep them to myself for now.I'm curious what others think!Doux RêveI'm guessing some strong Jupiter & Venus action going on. And maybe some Leo / Sun for feeling entitled.Ami AnneWhat about Mars in Pisces?------------------Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/page oneHarsh Neptune contacts.ShyVirgo1979I could be wrong and I have no proof to back it up but speaking from a virgo point of view, I wonder if neptune in certain houses plays a role ya know? The 6th house is work and daily routines so perhaps neptune there or ruling that house? Just a theory. I haven't studied a moocher's chart to see if it has any bearing. Gemmy quote:Originally posted by Ami Anne:What about Mars in Pisces?Not if they have Cap rising and a strong Saturn influence.I would never feel comfortable having someone else support me.It'd be nice,but I'd always have this guilt about not doing it on my own.Maybe a Leo Mars.I know three that are exactly like this.I'm not saying all Leo mars,cause if I'm not mistaken Derek Jeter also has this mars. CatMotei have mars in pisces and everyone literally will come to aid me when i want. haha.its "good" but i always get into a fight over help, because of the arian pride i have. ------------------Sun Aries Moon PiscesMars Pisces Venus PiscesMercury Aries Jupiter in VirgoSaturn in Aquarius Pluto in ScorpioNeptune and Uranus in CapricornAscendant LibraXiiroNeptune in (or influenced by) the 8th House. It can turn the "inheritance" feature of 8H into a perpetual habit of gaining from others.AlsoNeptune influenced by Moon/Cancer can manifest as a need to be nurtured, without paying attention to the demands one places on others. This can result in identifying a person's love by how they attend to one's own needs(aka Black Hole of Need).I have both these features in my natal chart:Neptune in Sagittarius 8HJupiter CancerNeptune square MoonI grew up with a lot of neglect and sadly throughout adolescence, that left me needing to support myself. Unfortunately not really savvy to how proper care for one's self happens (Job, save money, pay debts, etc), I lived by scavenging wherever I could (usually the kitchens, couches, and transportation of friends). As I got older and really started to comprehend my situation, instead of realizing the proper way to fix it, I revenge mooched off my parents (then friends, then parents again, ad nauseum. It took several years before understanding I did the best with what I was given, but not caring for myself properly was an indicator that I loved myself least of the people I demanded care from. So I fixed it. Neptune can be a trixy, fat, hobbit. AriesKatthe biggest moochers I know is a Pisces sun cancer moon and a libra sun leo moon AriesKatalso a scorpio sun cap moonKeroseneI've done that.I went to a prep school because I won this regional scholarship and most kids were very rich and I became friends with them and slowly was tangled in their lifestyle. I wouldn't ask for anything, they would invite me over and let me borrow things and stay with them. I got in a huge fight with my parents and my friend let me live with her. I eventually did feel I owed my friends more than I can offer, like I was a charity case. The feeling was not good and moved back with my family. I decided to go to a regular high school because I just felt very isolated and inferior.jupiter squares sun moon venus mercuy and asc.EmpressMendez--SaturnineMothtrying to remember, but for the life of me I cannot right now, this one fellas placements that I'd very briefly dated in my school years. haha^^; I am certain he has Libra Sun and Venus... I believe he had Jupiter in the 12th squaring them. debilitated Jupiter... in the 12th... square Venus... not good. >.<; ^^; He was an alright guy, tell the truth, but one thing absolutely bothered me, and it bothered me more that it didn't bother him... you don't go taking someone out "on a date" (to a restaurant) and then drop it on them after eating the meal, that they will be paying for both of you. lol Now, now... that was only one example of his moochiness. (not a real word, but eh... I'm tired and it works.) He could't give me the full run around... I'd say it was because I'm a Capricorn, but.... so was the next girl he went out with. lol (I'm an "air void" though! so..... maybe that's it?) He was a rather lazy sort, scrub, I mean... his parents weren't terribly well off, but they put up with him decently, paying him whenever he needed money to fill his tank, taking him along on their vacations even though they were really wanting to get away on their own and couldn't afford to have their youngest son tagging along. Well, that's just it really, he was the baby... and they babied him. Also... you know that saying, "dimple on chin, devil within"? so him... haha He had just enough charm to sucker a few girls into whatever he wanted to do, (not like that... before anyone even goes there; he was a decent guy - just kinda' sorta' spoiled*), but... going to the local "dive" in the middle of the night for a gd milkshake... taking him out bowling (we live in a town called "boredom" to those big city folks,*coughcoughlikemyhusbandcoughcough* but meh... I liked it)! The girl after me paid for everything they did together, she was rather flaky though *tbh!*, love her... sheesh. I think she dropped an entire paycheck on his minigolf-arcade spree... >.< (they have the best food out there, I won't get into it, but the place is awesome, and generally worth every penny - but when you are dating.... at least make it "Dutch", eh? Plus, it's a bit of a long drive away for those in my locale.) Long story short... I think there's got to be a conflict between Jupiter and or Venus, if not by the aspect than by the house and rulership. (sorry so long-winded~ I ramble when exhausted lately... don't mind me!) *whistles away* (I would not say it is a Libra thing though! just to be clear there, my mother, grandfather, and a good number of other relatives and friends are Libras who would never be caught moochin' or lazying about... this was just the case of a pudgy-bellied, youngest child who thought he was a prince to be coddled by everyone, and because his parents so tolerated it for all his years he really felt entitled to the same from each and every person he met to the point it literally confused him when someone brought it to his attention that he really should be holding up his end of things instead of expecting everything on a sliver platter.) lol (*as an update, he's living at home yet with his poor parents, and still getting by on the coat tails of his buddies and gfs... guess if it's not broken, don't fix it~ it works for him~ haha) My father had so many moochers around when I was young, right up until he fell ill actually... he attracted them like flies!!!! But, that's what you come to expect in his *um* business, and with his Pisces Sun/Leo Asc.... it was inevitable that he'd allow himself to be suckered time and time again... anyway!!!! ~kk nini~ XD EmpressMendez^Omg Saturnine that sounds spot on-__-. I just don't have the Venus-Jupiter though. I'm trying hard to change the spoil-nessEmpressMendezI just noticed my Venus in Libra bqs my Jupiter in Pisces by 1deg applying. So there you have it -_-
What aspects would they have in their chart? Why are they unable or unwilling to stand on their own two feet financially? And most of all - why do they try to use/manipulate others into supporting them financially?
As some of you may know, I kind of have my own ideas on this topic... but I'd rather keep them to myself for now.I'm curious what others think!
------------------Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal
http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
quote:Originally posted by Ami Anne:What about Mars in Pisces?
Not if they have Cap rising and a strong Saturn influence.I would never feel comfortable having someone else support me.It'd be nice,but I'd always have this guilt about not doing it on my own.
Maybe a Leo Mars.I know three that are exactly like this.I'm not saying all Leo mars,cause if I'm not mistaken Derek Jeter also has this mars.
------------------Sun Aries Moon PiscesMars Pisces Venus PiscesMercury Aries Jupiter in VirgoSaturn in Aquarius Pluto in ScorpioNeptune and Uranus in CapricornAscendant Libra
Also
Neptune influenced by Moon/Cancer can manifest as a need to be nurtured, without paying attention to the demands one places on others. This can result in identifying a person's love by how they attend to one's own needs(aka Black Hole of Need).
I have both these features in my natal chart:Neptune in Sagittarius 8HJupiter CancerNeptune square Moon
I grew up with a lot of neglect and sadly throughout adolescence, that left me needing to support myself. Unfortunately not really savvy to how proper care for one's self happens (Job, save money, pay debts, etc), I lived by scavenging wherever I could (usually the kitchens, couches, and transportation of friends). As I got older and really started to comprehend my situation, instead of realizing the proper way to fix it, I revenge mooched off my parents (then friends, then parents again, ad nauseum.
It took several years before understanding I did the best with what I was given, but not caring for myself properly was an indicator that I loved myself least of the people I demanded care from. So I fixed it.
Neptune can be a trixy, fat, hobbit.
I got in a huge fight with my parents and my friend let me live with her. I eventually did feel I owed my friends more than I can offer, like I was a charity case. The feeling was not good and moved back with my family.
I decided to go to a regular high school because I just felt very isolated and inferior.
jupiter squares sun moon venus mercuy and asc.
^^; I am certain he has Libra Sun and Venus... I believe he had Jupiter in the 12th squaring them. debilitated Jupiter... in the 12th... square Venus... not good. >.<; ^^;
He was an alright guy, tell the truth, but one thing absolutely bothered me, and it bothered me more that it didn't bother him... you don't go taking someone out "on a date" (to a restaurant) and then drop it on them after eating the meal, that they will be paying for both of you. lol Now, now... that was only one example of his moochiness. (not a real word, but eh... I'm tired and it works.) He could't give me the full run around... I'd say it was because I'm a Capricorn, but.... so was the next girl he went out with. lol (I'm an "air void" though! so..... maybe that's it?)
He was a rather lazy sort, scrub, I mean... his parents weren't terribly well off, but they put up with him decently, paying him whenever he needed money to fill his tank, taking him along on their vacations even though they were really wanting to get away on their own and couldn't afford to have their youngest son tagging along. Well, that's just it really, he was the baby... and they babied him. Also... you know that saying, "dimple on chin, devil within"? so him... haha He had just enough charm to sucker a few girls into whatever he wanted to do, (not like that... before anyone even goes there; he was a decent guy - just kinda' sorta' spoiled*), but... going to the local "dive" in the middle of the night for a gd milkshake... taking him out bowling (we live in a town called "boredom" to those big city folks,*coughcoughlikemyhusbandcoughcough* but meh... I liked it)! The girl after me paid for everything they did together, she was rather flaky though *tbh!*, love her... sheesh. I think she dropped an entire paycheck on his minigolf-arcade spree... >.< (they have the best food out there, I won't get into it, but the place is awesome, and generally worth every penny - but when you are dating.... at least make it "Dutch", eh? Plus, it's a bit of a long drive away for those in my locale.)
Long story short... I think there's got to be a conflict between Jupiter and or Venus, if not by the aspect than by the house and rulership.
(sorry so long-winded~ I ramble when exhausted lately... don't mind me!) *whistles away*
(I would not say it is a Libra thing though! just to be clear there, my mother, grandfather, and a good number of other relatives and friends are Libras who would never be caught moochin' or lazying about... this was just the case of a pudgy-bellied, youngest child who thought he was a prince to be coddled by everyone, and because his parents so tolerated it for all his years he really felt entitled to the same from each and every person he met to the point it literally confused him when someone brought it to his attention that he really should be holding up his end of things instead of expecting everything on a sliver platter.) lol (*as an update, he's living at home yet with his poor parents, and still getting by on the coat tails of his buddies and gfs... guess if it's not broken, don't fix it~ it works for him~ haha)
My father had so many moochers around when I was young, right up until he fell ill actually... he attracted them like flies!!!! But, that's what you come to expect in his *um* business, and with his Pisces Sun/Leo Asc.... it was inevitable that he'd allow himself to be suckered time and time again...
anyway!!!! ~kk nini~ XD
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