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T O P I C R E V I E WsocialgraffitiWhat placements/aspects would point towards homosexuality/bisexuality/"deviant" sexuality/general gayness? Or just believing in love without labels? I'm asking because I'm bisexual in theory, but really have never been in a relationship with the opposite sex before. lifefullofwordsUranus contacting Venus or Mars, in one of the relationship houses, or in aspects to the rulers of those houses. I've noticed it's found in the charts of most of the LGBTQ people I know. It's also common in the charts of polyamorous people and people who like freedom in relationships or generally unconventional relationships. Also, in terms of asteroids, Sappho, Diana, Minerva and sometimes Pallas and Athena are often prominent in the chart of bisexual and lesbian women. I've read Eros and Ganymede are common in the charts of gay and bi men but I haven't checked enough charts to be sure that's true.Doux RêveActually, Pluto aspects to Venus or Mars, as well as 8H placements can also indicate that.Personal examples I know of:A man with Venus opposite Pluto (Pluto in 8H)A woman with Mars square Pluto (Pluto also possibly in 8H)Aries23DegreesThis topic will never catch a break It always, always, always comes up consistently-without fail.The inability to recognize "boundaries", adhere to societal "rules" and conform to "norms" is how people are labeled "different". And are condemned for it.But I think that this is due to human conscious evolution and the desire to break boundaries and not conform.(The Adam and Eve synopsis played over and over again).Sexuality, however, is one "difference" that the world has chosen to focus on now. There will be others-as we evolve- I assure you.It could be any aspects, any at all. As each can yield a conscious desire to do away with boundaries.These aspects are;Mars aspects to Asc, Sun, Moon and Venus:"I do what I want and I follow my own passions".In women, these aspect will make them appear "different" and stand out as being "troublesome" because they often can be challenging and are accused of assuming the roles of males.In men,it can create a sort of domineering "alpha male" personality.This may also filter out to sexuality/ same sex attraction; as there are rules and regulations to be adhered in this area too that the individual will rebel against. Neptune aspects to Asc,Sun Moon,Venus,Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus: "There is no "you" and no "me". Only "US" "Neptune can dissolve all things that make up reality; including societal norms and rules. Uranus aspects to Asc, Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn:"Can we do something different for a change?"Perhaps the strongest of all indicators of someone who really doesn't care to conform. Even to societal norms of sexuality and attractions.Pluto aspects Sun,Moon,Venus,Mars,Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune:"There is much more to everything than what is conventionally accepted." That basically eliminates no-one. All the populations of the world are "different". But , unfortunately for those who are the collective "repulsive" different(gays, feminists,"soft" men,reformists and revolutionists etc) the world burns those at the stake.socialgraffiti quote:Originally posted by lifefullofwords:Uranus contacting Venus or Mars, in one of the relationship houses, or in aspects to the rulers of those houses. Hmm, I do have Uranus in the 8th, but no aspects to Venus or Mars. And stereotypical relationships do make me feel like there is something missing. quote:Originally posted by lifefullofwords:Also, in terms of asteroids, Sappho, Diana, Minerva and sometimes Pallas and Athena are often prominent in the chart of bisexual and lesbian women. I've read Eros and Ganymede are common in the charts of gay and bi men but I haven't checked enough charts to be sure that's true.[/B]Sappho opp. MercuryDiana opp. ChironMinerva sq. MercuryEros sq. MercuryGanymede does conjunct my sun and trine Ascendant, but I'm female, lol. quote:Originally posted by Doux Rêve:Actually, Pluto aspects to Venus or Mars, as well as 8H placements can also indicate that.Personal examples I know of:A man with Venus opposite Pluto (Pluto in 8H)A woman with Mars square Pluto (Pluto also possibly in 8H)That makes sense- I've got an 8th house stellium- Moon, Jupiter, and Uranus. Possibly Neptune, depending on house system used. That'd probably do it, lol. Have a minor aspect from Pluto to Venus. quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:This topic will never catch a break Really? Cause I haven't seen such a thread appear in quite a while- a few months at least. quote:It always, always, always comes up consistently-without fail.Well, I'd think people would be interested to find some sort of correlation or explanation... it's an interesting topic quote:The inability to recognize "boundaries", adhere to societal "rules" and conform to "norms" is how people are labeled "different". And are condemned for it.But I think that this is due to human conscious evolution and the desire to break boundaries and not conform.(The Adam and Eve synopsis played over and over again).That is certainly true. I also believe that people are quick to label/discriminate against those who go against the supposed norm, since it threatens their way of life. It's as if an attempt to make some order out of chaos by adhering to often harmful traditions. quote:That basically eliminates no-one. All the populations of the world are "different". But , unfortunately for those who are the collective "repulsive" different(gays, feminists,"soft" men,reformists and revolutionists etc) the world burns those at the stake.That's true. I think everyone is bisexual in some way- if they're 99% straight, there's that other 1%. And the world may burn those progressivists, but these revolutionaries are also the ones that light up the world...Libracorn quote:That's true. I think everyone is bisexual in some way- if they're 99% straight, there's that other 1%. And the world may burn those progressivists, but these revolutionaries are also the ones that light up the world...Sigmund Frued made the theory that all human beings are born bisexual and based on environmental influences, the baby will then become heterosexual, homosexual or just remain bisexual. I agree with this theory.------------------capricorn asc ♑ - neptune rising ♆libra sun ♎libra moon ♎Triple Libran, 9th house Stellium in Libra theunknownLol according to this thread I'm lesbian/bi then Venus, mars aspect to neptune, uranus, pluto lolHonestly, I've tried looking into charts of people with "abnormal" sexual orientation but no, there's nothing similar. Honestly, I think a lot more people would be bi/homosexual if we were socialized to know that it's completely normal and ok. Unfortunately, we are not. For our entire childhood, we only see heterosexual couples. Women are even socialized into dreaming about weddings and bring mothers. ail221I don't go by typical indicators such as Uranus aspects Venus/Mars/Relationships houses because it's much more complicated than that. I have Venus opposite Uranus, Mars trine Uranus/Neptune, Uranus trine 5th etc but I don't identify with Pansexual, bisexual or homosexual. I identify with the idea that sexuality is more fluid than stagnant. Ami AnneVenus sq Mars------------------Want To Ask Any Question About Bible Prophecy? Go For it. It is Free, of course. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/KeroseneInteresting you guys are forgetting about generations and their views on sexuality with the planet of sex pluto!Pluto in scorpio definitely indicates a generation that is far more in tune with raw human sexuality than others.As Pluto in Scorpio is Domicile. Being gay-bi- or whatever is for the most part natural occurrence for Pluto in Scorpio, not something that needs to be considered positive or negative, but just is...to be blunt.. I like everything lol and my Pluto is a singleton and so is my domicile mars so my sexuality is more raw and prominent and not closed to certain ideals.So in turn Ive never need to explain or question my sexuality it just is what it is and it's in your face.I noticed people who have Pluto in signs other than scorpio tend to box anything other than heterosexuality as abnormal and needs to be something of intrigue, speculation, and controversy lolHowever a prominent pluto can change this .My mother has Scorpio moon/neptune and pluto conjunct north node and square SUN/ASC and my dad has Mars-Mercury-Venus conjunct pluto. and North node in ScorpioThey are cool about my sexual preferences because they have a profound understanding about human sexuality even though they may identify as straight.Beautiful huh? Especially their reactions which were very laid back and nonchalant which was sort of weird because most kids are expecting drama..lifefullofwords quote:Originally posted by ail221:I don't go by typical indicators such as Uranus aspects Venus/Mars/Relationships houses because it's much more complicated than that. I have Venus opposite Uranus, Mars trine Uranus/Neptune, Uranus trine 5th etc but I don't identify with Pansexual, bisexual or homosexual. I identify with the idea that sexuality is more fluid than stagnant. It's not that everyone who has Uranus connected to Venus, Mars, or the relationship houses is gay or bi - obviously that is not the case. It's that most LGBTQ people have Uranus connected to relationship planets/houses in their natal charts. You can't tell someone if someone is gay or not just by looking at their chart, that's for sure. But most of the time if you already know someone is gay you can see the indicators. It's really like anything else in astrology.Kerosenethe logic to say there are indicators is flawed because there is no indicator of being heterosexual. Not everyone born with that aspect has the same orientation. There are plenty people who fit under the lgbt community that don't have uranus-neptune contacts at all. If someone is gay or bi etc and has some outer planet aspects makes it a lot easier because they themselves are able to accept their sexuality which disrupts the norm than someone who has zero contacts and is probably very closeted or insecure about being different. I have Mars square neptune and uranus within 1 degree. and inconjunct PlutoVenus square Jupiter within 1 degreewhich all definitely helps because i never felt the need to hide my preferences because I have very progressive ideals for love and sexuality, if people are curious I'll usually tell them the truth even if it may be a disadvantage to me.and my s.o has Venus square Uranus-Neptune 1-2 degreesand Mars square Jupiter.. 3 degreesLibracornYeah, I don't really agree with the Venus/Uranus, Mars/Uranus aspects at all, or just aspects pointing to LGBT period. For example, today (May 14th, 2014) Venus is aspecting Uranus, that's like saying all babies born today will be gay, bi or may have a chance of being LGBT, and that's not true.I know many people with Mars/Uranus and Venus/Uranus aspects who aren't gay... The real question becomes: Would they try experimenting with the same-sex because of those aspects? We don't know!------------------capricorn asc ♑ - neptune rising ♆libra sun ♎libra moon ♎Triple Libran, 9th house Stellium in Libra Aries23Degrees quote:Originally posted by theunknown:Honestly, I think a lot more people would be bi/homosexual if we were socialized to know that it's completely normal and ok. Unfortunately, we are not. For our entire childhood, we only see heterosexual couples. Women are even socialized into dreaming about weddings and bring mothers. Right on Aries23Degrees quote:Originally posted by Libracorn:I know many people with Mars/Uranus and Venus/Uranus aspects who aren't gay... The real question becomes: Would they try experimenting with the same-sex because of those aspects? We don't know!Indeed. Indeed!! lifefullofwords quote:Originally posted by Libracorn:Yeah, I don't really agree with the Venus/Uranus, Mars/Uranus aspects at all, or just aspects pointing to LGBT period. For example, today (May 14th, 2014) Venus is aspecting Uranus, that's like saying all babies born today will be gay, bi or may have a chance of being LGBT, and that's not true.I know many people with Mars/Uranus and Venus/Uranus aspects who aren't gay... The real question becomes: Would they try experimenting with the same-sex because of those aspects? We don't know!I think there are a LOT of people with charts with Uranus in connection to relationship planets/houses that are not gay. In fact, I know some of them. They are often poly or into unusual relationships or simply like a lot of freedom in relationships. I wouldn't assume someone has the potential to be interested in the same sex just because they have the same aspects/placements as a lot of LGBT people. There are so many ways the same thing can play out in astrology. Definitely those aspects don't point to "LGBT period."Robin Goodfellow quote:Originally posted by Libracorn:Yeah, I don't really agree with the Venus/Uranus, Mars/Uranus aspects at all, or just aspects pointing to LGBT period. For example, today (May 14th, 2014) Venus is aspecting Uranus, that's like saying all babies born today will be gay, bi or may have a chance of being LGBT, and that's not true.I know many people with Mars/Uranus and Venus/Uranus aspects who aren't gay... The real question becomes: Would they try experimenting with the same-sex because of those aspects? We don't know!Venus and mars opposed Uranus here, am straight/heterosexual nothing else, not experimental.Robin Goodfellowbtw I'm venus conjct mars, won't this speak volumes with regards to sexual matters?LoadedPistilThe thing is.... Many women are heterosexual in theory, but can't find a man to act right for 5 min ------------------Leo ♌️ Sun, (2nd House), Venus (3nd House)Scorpio ♏ Moon,Mars,Saturn (5th House) Cancer ♋ RisingSvātī Nakshatra
Or just believing in love without labels?
I'm asking because I'm bisexual in theory, but really have never been in a relationship with the opposite sex before.
Also, in terms of asteroids, Sappho, Diana, Minerva and sometimes Pallas and Athena are often prominent in the chart of bisexual and lesbian women. I've read Eros and Ganymede are common in the charts of gay and bi men but I haven't checked enough charts to be sure that's true.
Personal examples I know of:A man with Venus opposite Pluto (Pluto in 8H)A woman with Mars square Pluto (Pluto also possibly in 8H)
It always, always, always comes up consistently-without fail.
The inability to recognize "boundaries", adhere to societal "rules" and conform to "norms" is how people are labeled "different". And are condemned for it.
But I think that this is due to human conscious evolution and the desire to break boundaries and not conform.(The Adam and Eve synopsis played over and over again).
Sexuality, however, is one "difference" that the world has chosen to focus on now. There will be others-as we evolve- I assure you.
It could be any aspects, any at all. As each can yield a conscious desire to do away with boundaries.
These aspects are;
Mars aspects to Asc, Sun, Moon and Venus:"I do what I want and I follow my own passions".
In women, these aspect will make them appear "different" and stand out as being "troublesome" because they often can be challenging and are accused of assuming the roles of males.
In men,it can create a sort of domineering "alpha male" personality.
This may also filter out to sexuality/ same sex attraction; as there are rules and regulations to be adhered in this area too that the individual will rebel against.
Neptune aspects to Asc,Sun Moon,Venus,Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus: "There is no "you" and no "me". Only "US" "
Neptune can dissolve all things that make up reality; including societal norms and rules.
Uranus aspects to Asc, Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn:"Can we do something different for a change?"
Perhaps the strongest of all indicators of someone who really doesn't care to conform. Even to societal norms of sexuality and attractions.
Pluto aspects Sun,Moon,Venus,Mars,Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune:"There is much more to everything than what is conventionally accepted." That basically eliminates no-one. All the populations of the world are "different". But , unfortunately for those who are the collective "repulsive" different(gays, feminists,"soft" men,reformists and revolutionists etc) the world burns those at the stake.
quote:Originally posted by lifefullofwords:Uranus contacting Venus or Mars, in one of the relationship houses, or in aspects to the rulers of those houses.
quote:Originally posted by lifefullofwords:Also, in terms of asteroids, Sappho, Diana, Minerva and sometimes Pallas and Athena are often prominent in the chart of bisexual and lesbian women. I've read Eros and Ganymede are common in the charts of gay and bi men but I haven't checked enough charts to be sure that's true.[/B]
quote:Originally posted by Doux Rêve:Actually, Pluto aspects to Venus or Mars, as well as 8H placements can also indicate that.Personal examples I know of:A man with Venus opposite Pluto (Pluto in 8H)A woman with Mars square Pluto (Pluto also possibly in 8H)
quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:This topic will never catch a break
quote:It always, always, always comes up consistently-without fail.
quote:The inability to recognize "boundaries", adhere to societal "rules" and conform to "norms" is how people are labeled "different". And are condemned for it.But I think that this is due to human conscious evolution and the desire to break boundaries and not conform.(The Adam and Eve synopsis played over and over again).
quote:That basically eliminates no-one. All the populations of the world are "different". But , unfortunately for those who are the collective "repulsive" different(gays, feminists,"soft" men,reformists and revolutionists etc) the world burns those at the stake.
quote:That's true. I think everyone is bisexual in some way- if they're 99% straight, there's that other 1%. And the world may burn those progressivists, but these revolutionaries are also the ones that light up the world...
Sigmund Frued made the theory that all human beings are born bisexual and based on environmental influences, the baby will then become heterosexual, homosexual or just remain bisexual. I agree with this theory.
------------------capricorn asc ♑ - neptune rising ♆libra sun ♎libra moon ♎Triple Libran, 9th house Stellium in Libra
Honestly, I've tried looking into charts of people with "abnormal" sexual orientation but no, there's nothing similar.
Honestly, I think a lot more people would be bi/homosexual if we were socialized to know that it's completely normal and ok. Unfortunately, we are not. For our entire childhood, we only see heterosexual couples. Women are even socialized into dreaming about weddings and bring mothers.
------------------Want To Ask Any Question About Bible Prophecy? Go For it. It is Free, of course.
http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
Pluto in scorpio definitely indicates a generation that is far more in tune with raw human sexuality than others.As Pluto in Scorpio is Domicile.
Being gay-bi- or whatever is for the most part natural occurrence for Pluto in Scorpio, not something that needs to be considered positive or negative, but just is...
to be blunt.. I like everything lol and my Pluto is a singleton and so is my domicile mars so my sexuality is more raw and prominent and not closed to certain ideals.So in turn Ive never need to explain or question my sexuality it just is what it is and it's in your face.
I noticed people who have Pluto in signs other than scorpio tend to box anything other than heterosexuality as abnormal and needs to be something of intrigue, speculation, and controversy lol
However a prominent pluto can change this .
My mother has Scorpio moon/neptune and pluto conjunct north node and square SUN/ASC and my dad has Mars-Mercury-Venus conjunct pluto. and North node in Scorpio
They are cool about my sexual preferences because they have a profound understanding about human sexuality even though they may identify as straight.Beautiful huh? Especially their reactions which were very laid back and nonchalant which was sort of weird because most kids are expecting drama..
quote:Originally posted by ail221:I don't go by typical indicators such as Uranus aspects Venus/Mars/Relationships houses because it's much more complicated than that. I have Venus opposite Uranus, Mars trine Uranus/Neptune, Uranus trine 5th etc but I don't identify with Pansexual, bisexual or homosexual. I identify with the idea that sexuality is more fluid than stagnant.
It's not that everyone who has Uranus connected to Venus, Mars, or the relationship houses is gay or bi - obviously that is not the case. It's that most LGBTQ people have Uranus connected to relationship planets/houses in their natal charts. You can't tell someone if someone is gay or not just by looking at their chart, that's for sure. But most of the time if you already know someone is gay you can see the indicators. It's really like anything else in astrology.
If someone is gay or bi etc and has some outer planet aspects makes it a lot easier because they themselves are able to accept their sexuality which disrupts the norm than someone who has zero contacts and is probably very closeted or insecure about being different.
I have Mars square neptune and uranus within 1 degree. and inconjunct Pluto
Venus square Jupiter within 1 degree
which all definitely helps because i never felt the need to hide my preferences because I have very progressive ideals for love and sexuality, if people are curious I'll usually tell them the truth even if it may be a disadvantage to me.
and my s.o has Venus square Uranus-Neptune 1-2 degreesand Mars square Jupiter.. 3 degrees
For example, today (May 14th, 2014) Venus is aspecting Uranus, that's like saying all babies born today will be gay, bi or may have a chance of being LGBT, and that's not true.
I know many people with Mars/Uranus and Venus/Uranus aspects who aren't gay... The real question becomes: Would they try experimenting with the same-sex because of those aspects? We don't know!
quote:Originally posted by theunknown:Honestly, I think a lot more people would be bi/homosexual if we were socialized to know that it's completely normal and ok. Unfortunately, we are not. For our entire childhood, we only see heterosexual couples. Women are even socialized into dreaming about weddings and bring mothers.
Right on
quote:Originally posted by Libracorn:I know many people with Mars/Uranus and Venus/Uranus aspects who aren't gay... The real question becomes: Would they try experimenting with the same-sex because of those aspects? We don't know!
Indeed. Indeed!!
quote:Originally posted by Libracorn:Yeah, I don't really agree with the Venus/Uranus, Mars/Uranus aspects at all, or just aspects pointing to LGBT period. For example, today (May 14th, 2014) Venus is aspecting Uranus, that's like saying all babies born today will be gay, bi or may have a chance of being LGBT, and that's not true.I know many people with Mars/Uranus and Venus/Uranus aspects who aren't gay... The real question becomes: Would they try experimenting with the same-sex because of those aspects? We don't know!
I think there are a LOT of people with charts with Uranus in connection to relationship planets/houses that are not gay. In fact, I know some of them. They are often poly or into unusual relationships or simply like a lot of freedom in relationships. I wouldn't assume someone has the potential to be interested in the same sex just because they have the same aspects/placements as a lot of LGBT people. There are so many ways the same thing can play out in astrology. Definitely those aspects don't point to "LGBT period."
Venus and mars opposed Uranus here, am straight/heterosexual nothing else, not experimental.
------------------Leo ♌️ Sun, (2nd House), Venus (3nd House)Scorpio ♏ Moon,Mars,Saturn (5th House) Cancer ♋ RisingSvātī Nakshatra
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