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T O P I C R E V I E WMystic_CatAstrologers please give me your thoughts on why you think the system you prefer is right, wrong and why Thanks <3I lead towards the "Sidereal" personally, not vedic, but the the real length of the constellations, i like to look at the main 22 constellations of the sky, including alot Ophiuchus, Orion, Centaurus etcI also like to look at similarities between Libra and Scorpio, as they were the same sign in the egyptian dendera zodiac and it was in the ptolemaic period when they were seperated (Astrological age of Aries) i sense alot of deceit around that period of the earths evolution.It's frustrating because i'd like to evolutionise a sort of new age zodiac for the "age of aquarius"(Polar to the age of the sun) correlating between now and the times of the ancients but everyone seems to be comfortable relying on the seasonal zodiac. I don't really understand the elements and the fixed degree's etcAlso if you make Libra and Scorpio into the constellation Scorpius and include Ophiuchus their becomes 12 signs, that was the egyptian dendera zodiac.Ophiuchus becomes the polar to Taurus and Aries is the polar to Scorpius, this makes ALOT of sense to me, the heart star of scorpio is actually called Anti-Ares.What are your thoughts on this?Particularly the last paragraph One love <3------------------Correlations of ancient astronomy and astrology.DopGangFirst, when I read for sidereal (my Venus and asc are different). I don't relate to it, at all. Some do, I understand, but I definitely don't. My tropical makes so much more sense to me. Plus, if I'm correct. Tropical is based on where WE are, which is here on earth in relation to the planets in our solar system. Sidereal if I'm correct, is at least partially based on constellations and "fixed" stars which are millions of light years away. Hardly accurate. Our entire solar system moves through space at an incredible rate. The only reason other stars even appear fixed in place is because they are so far away! (Which is not good for accuracy. Try to measure out two centimeters from 1,000 meters away. Aircraft overhead appear to be traveling more slowly than what is true because they are far away. Whereas a car at 80mph right in front of us appears fast) If we were anywhere near these points then we'd blow right past. Mystic_Cat quote:Originally posted by DopGang:First, when I read for sidereal (my Venus and asc are different). I don't relate to it, at all. Some do, I understand, but I definitely don't. My tropical makes so much more sense to me. Plus, if I'm correct. Tropical is based on where WE are, which is here on earth in relation to the planets in our solar system. Sidereal if I'm correct, is at least partially based on constellations and "fixed" stars which are millions of light years away. Hardly accurate. Our entire solar system moves through space at an incredible rate. The only reason other stars even appear fixed in place is because they are so far away! (Which is not good for accuracy. Try to measure out two centimeters from 1,000 meters away. Aircraft overhead appear to be traveling more slowly than what is true because they are far away. Whereas a car at 80mph right in front of us appears fast) If we were anywhere near these points then we'd blow right past. I get that, but for me actually reading people i know and celebrities birth charts they make alot more sense to me on the sidereal chart... Ok what did you make on the last bit?In the egyptian dendera zodiac Libra and Scorpio were together in Scorpius and they included Ophiuchus, so we still have 12 houses and 12 signs, it was until a patriotic age where Libra and Scorpio were separated and Ophiuchus was cast off ... :/------------------Correlations of ancient astronomy and astrology.Mystic_CatAries and Scorpius and Taurus/Ophiuchus being polar opposites makes more sense than Aries-Libra and taurus Scorpio imo ------------------Correlations of ancient astronomy and astrology.DopGangEven if I'm wrong about the technical stuff I still have to fall back on that after looking into it several times I simply don't relate to my sidereal. Not even close. Mystic_Cat quote:Originally posted by DopGang:Even if I'm wrong about the technical stuff I still have to fall back on that after looking into it several times I simply don't relate to my sidereal. Not even close. Fair Enough I relate alot more to my sidereal.My Girlfriend has a Sagittarius stellium in Tropical and an Ophiuchus stellium in sidereal, she is much more blindly good hearted and lazy than she is Optimistic and energetic :LReadingTheStars95I think they both have something to offer. I don't think one or the other has to be the "right" one, I feel like they both have an influence. Personally, I use Tropical the most, because that has always been the one I've felt the closest bond with.That, and also the Draconic chart. I've spent a bit of time with my Sidereal. I find that, for me, it does have significance. But, not in a way that somehow cancels the tropical chart.They both have equal significance to me. But, if you are going to look at one, I feel it is best to also look at the other, if you want to get a more organic/whole outlook on it all. hypatia238I am sorry but Libra and scorpios are completely different. Scorpio is very intuitive, emotional, loner, introverted, and physical, more drawn to someone for their energy than whether they fit this ideal beuty standard, they are more interested in your sexual magnetism and ability to love and Libra is light, cerebral, social, funny, extroverted, obsessed with symmetry, beauty, balance, fairness and artistically inclined.Good call the signs got separated then IMO.In sidereal I have Scorpio rising, Venus in cancer, mercury in Leo, moon in Aquarius and the nodes in Taurus-Scorpio and vertex in cancer, sun still in Virgo and and mars still in Leo. I feel sidereal fits me very well and find a lot of tropic to sidereal connections in synastry.Mystic_Cat quote:Originally posted by hypatia238:I am sorry but Libra and scorpios are completely different. Scorpio is very intuitive, emotional, loner, introverted, and physical, more drawn to someone for their energy than whether they fit this ideal beuty standard, they are more interested in your sexual magnetism and ability to love and Libra is light, cerebral, social, funny, extroverted, obsessed with symmetry, beauty, balance, fairness and artistically inclined.Good call the signs got separated then IMO.In sidereal I have Scorpio rising, Venus in cancer, mercury in Leo, moon in Aquarius and the nodes in Taurus-Scorpio and vertex in cancer, sun still in Virgo and and mars still in Leo. I feel sidereal fits me very well and find a lot of tropic to sidereal connections in synastry.Yeah i get you on the Scorpio-Libra thing, but thats the Scorpions claws, i feel like if they were one sign you could then use the decans and stars of the constellation to separate the individuality of it?But yeah i do understand, but Libra's arn't purely like that, they generally create the problem in order to balance it, i think they given more "light heartesness" than they deserve, as the sign does originate from scorpius.Yeah i guess you can use both charts, i just feel like if we could understand the hieroglyphics of the dendera zodiac we could have a better understanding of astrology.------------------Correlations of ancient astronomy and astrology.Mystic_CatIn Tropical i have a 5th house Scorpio stellium(n.n/Venus/jupiter/pluto, and i really don't feel THAT Scorpionic, in the sidereal it's all Libra except Mercury/Antares in Scorpio.For myself, people i know and celebrities i've studied most people connect to the 13 sign sidereal more than the tropical, but then this argument of the tropical-sidereal has been going on for decades, it would be good to settle on one lol------------------Correlations of ancient astronomy and astrology.Mystic_CatI think it's my Jupiter-Pluto-Mercury in Scorpio(With Toliman and Antares)I just can't let it go i need to find the answer aha------------------Correlations of ancient astronomy and astrology.HadesFishI actually relate to both. Day to day I use Western for myself and explaining or digging with others on a "top layer", simple look.But, for example say romance I become not so western sometimes, and it's relatable. And after I'm like "ahh"! Mostly being Venus in Pisces and Mars in Scorpio for this one. But these placements don't relate to me personally in anything other than romance.------------------All that glitters is not Gold.Mystic_CatI get ya man.But i don't really get how both charts could work, surely there's only one primary chart------------------Correlations of ancient astronomy and astrology.hypatia238 quote:Originally posted by Mystic_Cat: Yeah i get you on the Scorpio-Libra thing, but thats the Scorpions claws, i feel like if they were one sign you could then use the decans and stars of the constellation to separate the individuality of it?But yeah i do understand, but Libra's arn't purely like that, they generally create the problem in order to balance it, i think they given more "light heartesness" than they deserve, as the sign does originate from scorpius.Yeah i guess you can use both charts, i just feel like if we could understand the hieroglyphics of the dendera zodiac we could have a better understanding of astrology.Well Libras want to talk about the problem all night long if needed, they confront and address as many times as needed and will fight for the relationship and work it out always. Scorpios LOL shut down and ice you out, then distance themselves, they don't fight for the relationship only at first, they don't confront you, they disappear but they are very good at seducing you and making you fall in love; it is the stuff that comes after that they don't seem to be good at which Libra is good at. Scorpio makes you fall deep in love but Libra commits, fights for you no matter what and sticks around yet Libra comes before Scorpio.HadesFishIf there was only one primary chart; Then there would only be one and we wouldn't be on this post( excuse the dryness, lol). It's like when people who don't follow astrology past the sun sign- and then bam! I myself started with Tropical and follow it as the main, but I do notice other parts are explainable and relatable in certain situations, or situations and people bring them out. Mainly because I yearn and thirst for evolvement and knowledge, and I find that that sometimes I need to look at all/other sources. Also, depending on where you were born and live. Some cultures have no idea what a sign sign is, but they will still understand astrology. I also have to state my obvious that it's all connected somehow.So without pretending I can answer or know 100%, that's all folks.------------------All that glitters is not Gold.Desiring ShadowsIn sidereal I am either a Pisces or a Virgo depending on which system you use.. I feel like I am way more Pisces than VirgoIn the Pisces Hindu Lahiri I am aPisces sun and moonMercury AquariusVenus libraMars ScorpioI like that.. And I do have a self deprecating quality.. And I'm not very outgoing.. And I have s tendency to live in the past.. So these could all very well be meAll I know is SOME type of Astrology is true because the greatest love I have ever had has compatible signs to me in both systemsin this system he is cancer sun/moon mercury Sagittarius Venus cancer Mars leo or something like that (idr)mirage29Going back to the first two posts... and the general notion about the passive 'influences' of floating bodies out in space having an affect our lives.Do 'these' pinpoint of lights actually have a direct effect UPON our lives? OR Was it simply a map of geometry that was drawn and notated during times when bad or good things happened on earth?Considerations~~?Tropical... Those planets/bodies in our solar system have influencing~waves because of their masses and proximities?Sidereal... Are the coincidental events recorded in ancient astrologer's maps and notes?The two combined provide added-information that in viewing the natal chart provides the Third to create the Zen answer of BOTH? ... DopGangI'm just saying, if you're to even go outside to make any kind of measurements. It's far more accurate if you use nearby objects than far away objects. Sidereal may have it's place but using far away objects to determine a near objects position just doesn't make sense. For a personal birth chart (or my position in relation to anything) I'm going to consider my position to that object. Not something else. If I'm parked in a near spot and walk outside, why look at a car at the back of the parking lot? I'm only concerned about my car and it's right in front of me. If I wanted to hypothesize what influence I might receive of I lived on Jupiter, then I might check a far away, "fixed" object, draw a triangle and use trigonometry. Something like that. Seems pointless and inaccurate otherwise. Mystic_Cat quote:Originally posted by DopGang:I'm just saying, if you're to even go outside to make any kind of measurements. It's far more accurate if you use nearby objects than far away objects. Sidereal may have it's place but using far away objects to determine a near objects position just doesn't make sense. For a personal birth chart (or my position in relation to anything) I'm going to consider my position to that object. Not something else. If I'm parked in a near spot and walk outside, why look at a car at the back of the parking lot? I'm only concerned about my car and it's right in front of me. If I wanted to hypothesize what influence I might receive of I lived on Jupiter, then I might check a far away, "fixed" object, draw a triangle and use trigonometry. Something like that. Seems pointless and inaccurate otherwise. Yeah ok that makes sense, but it doesn't explain why we only use 12 signs and houses and exclude other constellations that are in the suns path.------------------Correlations of ancient astronomy and astrology.mirage29If you get used to finding your own car near other cars that usually park by you, then that's a comfort for sure. But if you make a note in your head of that far-away position, that there's a pole, next to a sign, by an embankment, where there's another car that usually parks itself there too, then you have an added-clue for 'where' you are in case all the cars around you have shifted (and disoriented you).haha... I used to drive a Mercury!! (Sun Gem, Moon Virg) And I've seen a lot of 'Saturns' around too!! LOL And I appreciate the cosmic message when behind or passing a Ford 'Focus'? ... I wonder if Ford 'Taurus' uses a lot of fuel, just idling? *grin*Of course, no one was interested so much in buying a Chevy Nova?... No VA?? (translate VA to word 'GO'? has no-go to it? ... When I put my foot on the gas, I LIKED my old V8 engines... had ~VA!!!! va va va voooommmm Mystic_Cat quote:Originally posted by mirage29:If you get used to finding your own car near other cars that usually park by you, then that's a comfort for sure. But if you make a note in your head of that far-away position, that there's a pole, next to a sign, by an embankment, where there's another car that usually parks itself there too, then you have an added-clue for 'where' you are in case all the cars around you have shifted (and disoriented you).haha... I used to drive a Mercury!! (Sun Gem, Moon Virg) And I've seen a lot of 'Saturns' around too!! LOL And I appreciate the cosmic message when behind or passing a Ford 'Focus'? ... I wonder if Ford 'Taurus' uses a lot of fuel, just idling? *grin*Of course, no one was interested so much in buying a Chevy Nova?... No VA?? (translate VA to word 'GO'? has no-go to it? ... When I put my foot on the gas, I LIKED my old V8 engines... had ~VA!!!! va va va voooommmm Lol, i'm going to start using the tropical chart and see where i get.I'm not a car person really, there to material and they're bad for the environment lolI like trucks, that way you can live in them and go travelling ------------------Correlations of ancient astronomy and astrology.DopGangTrue, but the front half of the parking lot and the movie theater that you've walked out of has shifted in relation to the back half of the parking lot, since you first parked. (The development of the sidereal) "The Sun is moving towards Lambda Herculis at 20 kilometers per second or 12 miles per second. Or in units "per hour": 72,000 kilometers per hour or 45,000 miles per hour."That's a loooooong distance traveled since the sidereal came about, whereas our planets move with The sun. mirage29Must have parked my A'ferrari' then gone into the Apollo theatre on one of them speeding~asteroids?!! oh just dern it! ________1862 Apollo Leo 28.37 conjunct 443 Photographica 28.52. Conjunct my Pluto-P.o.Fortune 24.25 Leo! e.o. 8thcancer22993 Aferrari Virgo 23.04'04" H(9)LeotJupiter-tNN are conjunct today ON my Ferrari!! vroom House 9 deals with travel, like long-distance? shrinking meter-sticks, perhaps?My Moon is 24.56' Virgo, so, it's parked near a Satellite?The Ferrari 23+ is 5325 'Silver' in Virgo 23.28'tJupiter Virgo Backing up to h44 Apollon-rx Virgo 21.52 conjunct 3208 Volta and 5264 Telephus.*ahem* Hypothetically speaking, of course. I like the idea of the practical, Mystic_Cat! Best way to go!!(music) Shame on The Moon (Bob Seger & the Silver Bullet Band) [4:54] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfWnIr_-_SA DopGang You have some action going on around my mars, mercury, and Venus. Mid to late Virgo. SeimeiWhether I think one is correct and another is incorrect has nothing to do with preference and visa versa. If Chiron is 169 degrees from my sun in tropical than it is 169 degrees from my sun in sidereal. Both are looking from the Earth. The earth is A PLANET in the SOLAR SYSTEM. The Sun gives off a great amount of energy that makes a wave throughout that Solar System.The energy bounces off of every object.Some of the energy even goes through.All of that energy bouncing off of the objects in OUR solar system alter and create a new set of waves. All of this is constantly changing due to the orbits of the other planets and the gravity fields constantly in flux as a resultThis environment I barely described here is the one effecting the earth most directly and all life ON IT. Constellations millions of miles away have nothing to do with it by comparison. Just my opinion.OR maybe it is not JUST MYOPINION.Perhaps it is the opinion held by many. ------------------LeekingChee
Thanks <3
I lead towards the "Sidereal" personally, not vedic, but the the real length of the constellations, i like to look at the main 22 constellations of the sky, including alot Ophiuchus, Orion, Centaurus etc
I also like to look at similarities between Libra and Scorpio, as they were the same sign in the egyptian dendera zodiac and it was in the ptolemaic period when they were seperated (Astrological age of Aries) i sense alot of deceit around that period of the earths evolution.
It's frustrating because i'd like to evolutionise a sort of new age zodiac for the "age of aquarius"(Polar to the age of the sun) correlating between now and the times of the ancients but everyone seems to be comfortable relying on the seasonal zodiac.
I don't really understand the elements and the fixed degree's etc
Also if you make Libra and Scorpio into the constellation Scorpius and include Ophiuchus their becomes 12 signs, that was the egyptian dendera zodiac.Ophiuchus becomes the polar to Taurus and Aries is the polar to Scorpius, this makes ALOT of sense to me, the heart star of scorpio is actually called Anti-Ares.
What are your thoughts on this?
Particularly the last paragraph
One love <3------------------Correlations of ancient astronomy and astrology.
quote:Originally posted by DopGang:First, when I read for sidereal (my Venus and asc are different). I don't relate to it, at all. Some do, I understand, but I definitely don't. My tropical makes so much more sense to me. Plus, if I'm correct. Tropical is based on where WE are, which is here on earth in relation to the planets in our solar system. Sidereal if I'm correct, is at least partially based on constellations and "fixed" stars which are millions of light years away. Hardly accurate. Our entire solar system moves through space at an incredible rate. The only reason other stars even appear fixed in place is because they are so far away! (Which is not good for accuracy. Try to measure out two centimeters from 1,000 meters away. Aircraft overhead appear to be traveling more slowly than what is true because they are far away. Whereas a car at 80mph right in front of us appears fast) If we were anywhere near these points then we'd blow right past.
I get that, but for me actually reading people i know and celebrities birth charts they make alot more sense to me on the sidereal chart...
Ok what did you make on the last bit?
In the egyptian dendera zodiac Libra and Scorpio were together in Scorpius and they included Ophiuchus, so we still have 12 houses and 12 signs, it was until a patriotic age where Libra and Scorpio were separated and Ophiuchus was cast off ... :/
------------------Correlations of ancient astronomy and astrology.
quote:Originally posted by DopGang:Even if I'm wrong about the technical stuff I still have to fall back on that after looking into it several times I simply don't relate to my sidereal. Not even close.
Fair Enough
I relate alot more to my sidereal.
My Girlfriend has a Sagittarius stellium in Tropical and an Ophiuchus stellium in sidereal, she is much more blindly good hearted and lazy than she is Optimistic and energetic :L
That, and also the Draconic chart.
I've spent a bit of time with my Sidereal. I find that, for me, it does have significance. But, not in a way that somehow cancels the tropical chart.
They both have equal significance to me. But, if you are going to look at one, I feel it is best to also look at the other, if you want to get a more organic/whole outlook on it all.
Good call the signs got separated then IMO.
In sidereal I have Scorpio rising, Venus in cancer, mercury in Leo, moon in Aquarius and the nodes in Taurus-Scorpio and vertex in cancer, sun still in Virgo and and mars still in Leo. I feel sidereal fits me very well and find a lot of tropic to sidereal connections in synastry.
quote:Originally posted by hypatia238:I am sorry but Libra and scorpios are completely different. Scorpio is very intuitive, emotional, loner, introverted, and physical, more drawn to someone for their energy than whether they fit this ideal beuty standard, they are more interested in your sexual magnetism and ability to love and Libra is light, cerebral, social, funny, extroverted, obsessed with symmetry, beauty, balance, fairness and artistically inclined.Good call the signs got separated then IMO.In sidereal I have Scorpio rising, Venus in cancer, mercury in Leo, moon in Aquarius and the nodes in Taurus-Scorpio and vertex in cancer, sun still in Virgo and and mars still in Leo. I feel sidereal fits me very well and find a lot of tropic to sidereal connections in synastry.
Yeah i get you on the Scorpio-Libra thing, but thats the Scorpions claws, i feel like if they were one sign you could then use the decans and stars of the constellation to separate the individuality of it?
But yeah i do understand, but Libra's arn't purely like that, they generally create the problem in order to balance it, i think they given more "light heartesness" than they deserve, as the sign does originate from scorpius.
Yeah i guess you can use both charts, i just feel like if we could understand the hieroglyphics of the dendera zodiac we could have a better understanding of astrology.
For myself, people i know and celebrities i've studied most people connect to the 13 sign sidereal more than the tropical, but then this argument of the tropical-sidereal has been going on for decades, it would be good to settle on one lol
I just can't let it go i need to find the answer aha------------------Correlations of ancient astronomy and astrology.
But, for example say romance I become not so western sometimes, and it's relatable. And after I'm like "ahh"! Mostly being Venus in Pisces and Mars in Scorpio for this one. But these placements don't relate to me personally in anything other than romance.
------------------All that glitters is not Gold.
But i don't really get how both charts could work, surely there's only one primary chart
quote:Originally posted by Mystic_Cat: Yeah i get you on the Scorpio-Libra thing, but thats the Scorpions claws, i feel like if they were one sign you could then use the decans and stars of the constellation to separate the individuality of it?But yeah i do understand, but Libra's arn't purely like that, they generally create the problem in order to balance it, i think they given more "light heartesness" than they deserve, as the sign does originate from scorpius.Yeah i guess you can use both charts, i just feel like if we could understand the hieroglyphics of the dendera zodiac we could have a better understanding of astrology.
Well Libras want to talk about the problem all night long if needed, they confront and address as many times as needed and will fight for the relationship and work it out always. Scorpios LOL shut down and ice you out, then distance themselves, they don't fight for the relationship only at first, they don't confront you, they disappear but they are very good at seducing you and making you fall in love; it is the stuff that comes after that they don't seem to be good at which Libra is good at. Scorpio makes you fall deep in love but Libra commits, fights for you no matter what and sticks around yet Libra comes before Scorpio.
I myself started with Tropical and follow it as the main, but I do notice other parts are explainable and relatable in certain situations, or situations and people bring them out. Mainly because I yearn and thirst for evolvement and knowledge, and I find that that sometimes I need to look at all/other sources. Also, depending on where you were born and live. Some cultures have no idea what a sign sign is, but they will still understand astrology. I also have to state my obvious that it's all connected somehow.
So without pretending I can answer or know 100%, that's all folks.
In the Pisces Hindu Lahiri I am aPisces sun and moonMercury AquariusVenus libraMars Scorpio
I like that.. And I do have a self deprecating quality.. And I'm not very outgoing.. And I have s tendency to live in the past.. So these could all very well be me
All I know is SOME type of Astrology is true because the greatest love I have ever had has compatible signs to me in both systems
in this system he is cancer sun/moon mercury Sagittarius Venus cancer Mars leo or something like that (idr)
Do 'these' pinpoint of lights actually have a direct effect UPON our lives? OR Was it simply a map of geometry that was drawn and notated during times when bad or good things happened on earth?
Considerations~~?
Tropical... Those planets/bodies in our solar system have influencing~waves because of their masses and proximities?Sidereal... Are the coincidental events recorded in ancient astrologer's maps and notes?
The two combined provide added-information that in viewing the natal chart provides the Third to create the Zen answer of BOTH? ...
If I'm parked in a near spot and walk outside, why look at a car at the back of the parking lot? I'm only concerned about my car and it's right in front of me.
If I wanted to hypothesize what influence I might receive of I lived on Jupiter, then I might check a far away, "fixed" object, draw a triangle and use trigonometry. Something like that. Seems pointless and inaccurate otherwise.
quote:Originally posted by DopGang:I'm just saying, if you're to even go outside to make any kind of measurements. It's far more accurate if you use nearby objects than far away objects. Sidereal may have it's place but using far away objects to determine a near objects position just doesn't make sense. For a personal birth chart (or my position in relation to anything) I'm going to consider my position to that object. Not something else. If I'm parked in a near spot and walk outside, why look at a car at the back of the parking lot? I'm only concerned about my car and it's right in front of me. If I wanted to hypothesize what influence I might receive of I lived on Jupiter, then I might check a far away, "fixed" object, draw a triangle and use trigonometry. Something like that. Seems pointless and inaccurate otherwise.
Yeah ok that makes sense, but it doesn't explain why we only use 12 signs and houses and exclude other constellations that are in the suns path.
haha... I used to drive a Mercury!! (Sun Gem, Moon Virg) And I've seen a lot of 'Saturns' around too!! LOL And I appreciate the cosmic message when behind or passing a Ford 'Focus'? ... I wonder if Ford 'Taurus' uses a lot of fuel, just idling? *grin*
Of course, no one was interested so much in buying a Chevy Nova?... No VA?? (translate VA to word 'GO'? has no-go to it? ... When I put my foot on the gas, I LIKED my old V8 engines... had ~VA!!!! va va va voooommmm
quote:Originally posted by mirage29:If you get used to finding your own car near other cars that usually park by you, then that's a comfort for sure. But if you make a note in your head of that far-away position, that there's a pole, next to a sign, by an embankment, where there's another car that usually parks itself there too, then you have an added-clue for 'where' you are in case all the cars around you have shifted (and disoriented you).haha... I used to drive a Mercury!! (Sun Gem, Moon Virg) And I've seen a lot of 'Saturns' around too!! LOL And I appreciate the cosmic message when behind or passing a Ford 'Focus'? ... I wonder if Ford 'Taurus' uses a lot of fuel, just idling? *grin*Of course, no one was interested so much in buying a Chevy Nova?... No VA?? (translate VA to word 'GO'? has no-go to it? ... When I put my foot on the gas, I LIKED my old V8 engines... had ~VA!!!! va va va voooommmm
Lol, i'm going to start using the tropical chart and see where i get.
I'm not a car person really, there to material and they're bad for the environment lol
I like trucks, that way you can live in them and go travelling
"The Sun is moving towards Lambda Herculis at 20 kilometers per second or 12 miles per second. Or in units "per hour": 72,000 kilometers per hour or 45,000 miles per hour."
That's a loooooong distance traveled since the sidereal came about, whereas our planets move with The sun.
oh just dern it! ________1862 Apollo Leo 28.37 conjunct 443 Photographica 28.52. Conjunct my Pluto-P.o.Fortune 24.25 Leo! e.o. 8thcancer
22993 Aferrari Virgo 23.04'04" H(9)Leo
tJupiter-tNN are conjunct today ON my Ferrari!! vroom House 9 deals with travel, like long-distance? shrinking meter-sticks, perhaps?
My Moon is 24.56' Virgo, so, it's parked near a Satellite?
The Ferrari 23+ is 5325 'Silver' in Virgo 23.28'
tJupiter Virgo Backing up to
h44 Apollon-rx Virgo 21.52 conjunct 3208 Volta and 5264 Telephus.
*ahem* Hypothetically speaking, of course.
I like the idea of the practical, Mystic_Cat! Best way to go!!
(music) Shame on The Moon (Bob Seger & the Silver Bullet Band) [4:54] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfWnIr_-_SA
You have some action going on around my mars, mercury, and Venus. Mid to late Virgo.
If Chiron is 169 degrees from my sun in tropical than it is 169 degrees from my sun in sidereal. Both are looking from the Earth. The earth is A PLANET in the SOLAR SYSTEM. The Sun gives off a great amount of energy that makes a wave throughout that Solar System.The energy bounces off of every object.Some of the energy even goes through.All of that energy bouncing off of the objects in OUR solar system alter and create a new set of waves. All of this is constantly changing due to the orbits of the other planets and the gravity fields constantly in flux as a resultThis environment I barely described here is the one effecting the earth most directly and all life ON IT. Constellations millions of miles away have nothing to do with it by comparison. Just my opinion.OR maybe it is not JUST MYOPINION.Perhaps it is the opinion held by many.
------------------LeekingChee
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