posted January 18, 2016 03:14 PM            

Thanks <3

I lead towards the "Sidereal" personally, not vedic, but the the real length of the constellations, i like to look at the main 22 constellations of the sky, including alot Ophiuchus, Orion, Centaurus etc

I also like to look at similarities between Libra and Scorpio, as they were the same sign in the egyptian dendera zodiac and it was in the ptolemaic period when they were seperated (Astrological age of Aries) i sense alot of deceit around that period of the earths evolution.

It's frustrating because i'd like to evolutionise a sort of new age zodiac for the "age of aquarius"(Polar to the age of the sun) correlating between now and the times of the ancients but everyone seems to be comfortable relying on the seasonal zodiac.

I don't really understand the elements and the fixed degree's etc

Also if you make Libra and Scorpio into the constellation Scorpius and include Ophiuchus their becomes 12 signs, that was the egyptian dendera zodiac.
Ophiuchus becomes the polar to Taurus and Aries is the polar to Scorpius, this makes ALOT of sense to me, the heart star of scorpio is actually called Anti-Ares.

What are your thoughts on this?

Particularly the last paragraph

posted January 18, 2016 03:32 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
First, when I read for sidereal (my Venus and asc are different). I don't relate to it, at all. Some do, I understand, but I definitely don't. My tropical makes so much more sense to me.
Plus, if I'm correct. Tropical is based on where WE are, which is here on earth in relation to the planets in our solar system.
Sidereal if I'm correct, is at least partially based on constellations and "fixed" stars which are millions of light years away. Hardly accurate.
Our entire solar system moves through space at an incredible rate. The only reason other stars even appear fixed in place is because they are so far away! (Which is not good for accuracy. Try to measure out two centimeters from 1,000 meters away. Aircraft overhead appear to be traveling more slowly than what is true because they are far away. Whereas a car at 80mph right in front of us appears fast) If we were anywhere near these points then we'd blow right past.

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I get that, but for me actually reading people i know and celebrities birth charts they make alot more sense to me on the sidereal chart...

Ok what did you make on the last bit?

In the egyptian dendera zodiac Libra and Scorpio were together in Scorpius and they included Ophiuchus, so we still have 12 houses and 12 signs, it was until a patriotic age where Libra and Scorpio were separated and Ophiuchus was cast off ... :/

posted January 18, 2016 03:37 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Even if I'm wrong about the technical stuff I still have to fall back on that after looking into it several times I simply don't relate to my sidereal. Not even close.

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Fair Enough

I relate alot more to my sidereal.

posted January 18, 2016 03:54 PM            

That, and also the Draconic chart.

I've spent a bit of time with my Sidereal. I find that, for me, it does have significance. But, not in a way that somehow cancels the tropical chart.

posted January 18, 2016 04:10 PM            

Good call the signs got separated then IMO.

posted January 18, 2016 04:53 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I am sorry but Libra and scorpios are completely different. Scorpio is very intuitive, emotional, loner, introverted, and physical, more drawn to someone for their energy than whether they fit this ideal beuty standard, they are more interested in your sexual magnetism and ability to love and Libra is light, cerebral, social, funny, extroverted, obsessed with symmetry, beauty, balance, fairness and artistically inclined.

Good call the signs got separated then IMO.

In sidereal I have Scorpio rising, Venus in cancer, mercury in Leo, moon in Aquarius and the nodes in Taurus-Scorpio and vertex in cancer, sun still in Virgo and and mars still in Leo. I feel sidereal fits me very well and find a lot of tropic to sidereal connections in synastry.

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Yeah i get you on the Scorpio-Libra thing, but thats the Scorpions claws, i feel like if they were one sign you could then use the decans and stars of the constellation to separate the individuality of it?

But yeah i do understand, but Libra's arn't purely like that, they generally create the problem in order to balance it, i think they given more "light heartesness" than they deserve, as the sign does originate from scorpius.

Yeah i guess you can use both charts, i just feel like if we could understand the hieroglyphics of the dendera zodiac we could have a better understanding of astrology.

posted January 18, 2016 04:56 PM            

For myself, people i know and celebrities i've studied most people connect to the 13 sign sidereal more than the tropical, but then this argument of the tropical-sidereal has been going on for decades, it would be good to settle on one lol

posted January 18, 2016 05:18 PM            

But, for example say romance I become not so western sometimes, and it's relatable. And after I'm like "ahh"! Mostly being Venus in Pisces and Mars in Scorpio for this one. But these placements don't relate to me personally in anything other than romance.

posted January 18, 2016 05:32 PM            

But i don't really get how both charts could work, surely there's only one primary chart

posted January 18, 2016 06:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:
Yeah i get you on the Scorpio-Libra thing, but thats the Scorpions claws, i feel like if they were one sign you could then use the decans and stars of the constellation to separate the individuality of it?

But yeah i do understand, but Libra's arn't purely like that, they generally create the problem in order to balance it, i think they given more "light heartesness" than they deserve, as the sign does originate from scorpius.

Yeah i guess you can use both charts, i just feel like if we could understand the hieroglyphics of the dendera zodiac we could have a better understanding of astrology.

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posted January 18, 2016 06:34 PM            

I myself started with Tropical and follow it as the main, but I do notice other parts are explainable and relatable in certain situations, or situations and people bring them out. Mainly because I yearn and thirst for evolvement and knowledge, and I find that that sometimes I need to look at all/other sources. Also, depending on where you were born and live. Some cultures have no idea what a sign sign is, but they will still understand astrology. I also have to state my obvious that it's all connected somehow.

So without pretending I can answer or know 100%, that's all folks.

posted January 18, 2016 06:43 PM            

In the Pisces Hindu Lahiri I am a
Pisces sun and moon
Mercury Aquarius
Venus libra
Mars Scorpio

I like that.. And I do have a self deprecating quality.. And I'm not very outgoing.. And I have s tendency to live in the past.. So these could all very well be me

All I know is SOME type of Astrology is true because the greatest love I have ever had has compatible signs to me in both systems

in this system he is cancer sun/moon mercury Sagittarius Venus cancer Mars leo or something like that (idr)

posted January 18, 2016 09:14 PM            

Do 'these' pinpoint of lights actually have a direct effect UPON our lives? OR Was it simply a map of geometry that was drawn and notated during times when bad or good things happened on earth?

Considerations~~?

Tropical... Those planets/bodies in our solar system have influencing~waves because of their masses and proximities?
Sidereal... Are the coincidental events recorded in ancient astrologer's maps and notes?

posted January 19, 2016 06:22 AM            

If I'm parked in a near spot and walk outside, why look at a car at the back of the parking lot? I'm only concerned about my car and it's right in front of me.

posted January 19, 2016 06:36 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
I'm just saying, if you're to even go outside to make any kind of measurements. It's far more accurate if you use nearby objects than far away objects.
Sidereal may have it's place but using far away objects to determine a near objects position just doesn't make sense.
For a personal birth chart (or my position in relation to anything) I'm going to consider my position to that object. Not something else.

If I'm parked in a near spot and walk outside, why look at a car at the back of the parking lot? I'm only concerned about my car and it's right in front of me.

If I wanted to hypothesize what influence I might receive of I lived on Jupiter, then I might check a far away, "fixed" object, draw a triangle and use trigonometry. Something like that.
Seems pointless and inaccurate otherwise.

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Yeah ok that makes sense, but it doesn't explain why we only use 12 signs and houses and exclude other constellations that are in the suns path.

posted January 19, 2016 11:36 AM            

haha... I used to drive a Mercury!! (Sun Gem, Moon Virg) And I've seen a lot of 'Saturns' around too!! LOL And I appreciate the cosmic message when behind or passing a Ford 'Focus'? ... I wonder if Ford 'Taurus' uses a lot of fuel, just idling? *grin*

posted January 19, 2016 11:50 AM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
If you get used to finding your own car near other cars that usually park by you, then that's a comfort for sure. But if you make a note in your head of that far-away position, that there's a pole, next to a sign, by an embankment, where there's another car that usually parks itself there too, then you have an added-clue for 'where' you are in case all the cars around you have shifted (and disoriented you).

haha... I used to drive a Mercury!! (Sun Gem, Moon Virg) And I've seen a lot of 'Saturns' around too!! LOL And I appreciate the cosmic message when behind or passing a Ford 'Focus'? ... I wonder if Ford 'Taurus' uses a lot of fuel, just idling? *grin*

Of course, no one was interested so much in buying a Chevy Nova?... No VA?? (translate VA to word 'GO'? has no-go to it? ... When I put my foot on the gas, I LIKED my old V8 engines... had ~VA!!!! va va va voooommmm

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Lol, i'm going to start using the tropical chart and see where i get.

I'm not a car person really, there to material and they're bad for the environment lol

I like trucks, that way you can live in them and go travelling

posted January 19, 2016 01:49 PM            

"The Sun is moving towards Lambda Herculis at 20 kilometers per second or 12 miles per second. Or in units "per hour": 72,000 kilometers per hour or 45,000 miles per hour."

posted January 19, 2016 02:28 PM            

oh just dern it!
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1862 Apollo Leo 28.37 conjunct 443 Photographica 28.52. Conjunct my Pluto-P.o.Fortune 24.25 Leo! e.o. 8thcancer

22993 Aferrari Virgo 23.04'04" H(9)Leo

tJupiter-tNN are conjunct today ON my Ferrari!! vroom
House 9 deals with travel, like long-distance? shrinking meter-sticks, perhaps?

My Moon is 24.56' Virgo, so, it's parked near a Satellite?

The Ferrari 23+ is 5325 'Silver' in Virgo 23.28'

tJupiter Virgo Backing up to

h44 Apollon-rx Virgo 21.52 conjunct 3208 Volta and 5264 Telephus.

*ahem* Hypothetically speaking, of course.

I like the idea of the practical, Mystic_Cat! Best way to go!!

posted January 19, 2016 03:20 PM            

If Chiron is 169 degrees from my sun in tropical than it is 169 degrees from my sun in sidereal.
Both are looking from the Earth. The earth is A PLANET in the SOLAR SYSTEM.
The Sun gives off a great amount of energy that makes a wave throughout that Solar System.The energy bounces off of every object.Some of the energy even goes through.
All of that energy bouncing off of the objects in OUR solar system alter and create a new set of waves.
All of this is constantly changing due to the orbits of the other planets and the gravity fields constantly in flux as a result
This environment I barely described here is the one effecting the earth most directly and all life ON IT.
Constellations millions of miles away have nothing to do with it by comparison.
Just my opinion.OR maybe it is not JUST MY
OPINION.Perhaps it is the opinion held by many.