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T O P I C R E V I E WTaurusVenusGirlWhat would I be looking for in a natal chart to see someone who is selfish, if that's the right word.. Or someone who puts themselves above all others?Aries23DegreesEhmm ....Aries/Leo i thinkI have Asc Aries and have the tendency of making things about me.But in all honesty, most fire sign dominant people are like this imesquirrelfrom personal experience gemini and gemini paired with leo.hearttreasureWater sign: emotional selfishnessEarth sign: material/source selfishnessAir sign: selfish thinkersFire sign: actions selfishnessAnyone can be selfish, but this selfishness often shows up if the person has narcissistic personality or has damage/unhealthy way of thinking/feeling.You need to see the whole chart. Based on my experience of the people I've met they have at least two water placement (or more) in their chart especially scorpio or cancer, mix with Air or Fire placement. The earth sun sign tend to have no water placement, oh, they don't feel anything. lol.charlieI am very selfish with my emotions and time. It's not given freely or unconditionally; anymore. I actually learned this at the young age of 39 after years of bending myself backwards for "friends", "family" and "lovers". My Aries husband also taught me valuable lessons of being more selfish and taking better care of myself while also stop pretending that all people in existence can be good. They can't and won't. Leo AscCancer Sun, Merc, Venus 11H + Leo Saturn Cap Moon 5HSal90I'd look at the ascendant and its aspects to personal planets. And the 1st house.I have sun and merc in the 1st. And aries rising. Yes, I'm selfish and can be debilitatingly self-absorbed, in spite of my more selfless 12th house placements.mirage29I think we are all selfish to a certain extent. And some transits can reinforce those places in us... Think of the interpretations when planets enter our first house (the Aries house?). AND, there are levels of selfishness.I've known (and lived with) Aries people in my lifetime. Sometimes they can push themselves way out, even be explosive in their expressions, and, at the same time, have a truly sensitive core. They can't help being 'me first'... that's their wiring. With practicing self-awareness (going IN one's self), we can become less a 'self'-ish. We can LEARN to become more Giving to Others, thinking of Others. (With LOTS of self-forgiveness too.)Yes, it's hard when you've been long-term married to someone who refuses to acknowledge you. That can be VERY painful and isolative. {Charlie}That's when we need some better boundaries... NOT to cut off the spouse, OR cut the rest of humanity off and say that nobody is Good, at all. Gently..., I think that wounds our own soul... Boundaries are where we need to draw lines between who WE are, and the values of the partner, or the values of other people? We need to cultivate our INNER Gardens. What you Plant will grow.If you think the world is super super selfish (WHICH I definitely would not disagree with-- because the blanket evidence IS there, very much), then, I would invite you (and me) to LOOK for the 'little evidences' of people doing invisible Good in the world. LOOK hard at first maybe? But, you'll start to see a WHOLE DIFFERENT Humanity start to be Birthed in front of your eyes. Collect those pieces of Evidence, and hide them in a special place inside you, inside your Heart.There IS Good in the World. It IS there.... There's a difference between occasional organic times of retreat, being selfishness and re-charging our inner-batteries (that's natural) with a HARD CORE selfish nature. Those DO exist, too. Some seem incorrigible.But....... when you see those things, begin pull away from that a bit, and start to cultivate "noticing" when people are NOT being selfish. Even!! Note your OWN inner self... reach outside that bubble of harsh self-accusations, and begin to SEED some Kindness TO your inner self. It's not selfish to see your own self in a Kind light and awareness.... It's nutritive to your own soul.In fact-- from there, from practicing INNER Compassion and thoughts of LovingKindness, we can REALLY REALLY have an effect... on others we meet, just from 'who' we are BEING among them. When we 'notice' the Kindness of others, it reflects the Kindness in our OWN Soul.Kindling. Kind-lings. Kind-words... Kind-tongue are like a medicine.Harsh words. Mean words...Cut like a knife, and leave people to bleed for a really really really long time.YOU pick. Think. Then Choose Love. (music) It Only Takes A Spark (Kurt Kaiser, guitar, instrumental) [2:48] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpHQAp8LiiQ TaurusVenusGirlAh, I dated a Venus Aries and a Mars Leo, is it safe to say he is an inconsiderate lover just thinking of his own gratification? quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:Ehmm ....Aries/Leo i thinkI have Asc Aries and have the tendency of making things about me.But in all honesty, most fire sign dominant people are like this imeNinaAriahmm so its fire sign placements more so aries & leo from what you guys are saying. I know 4 Leo mooners, 3 Gem moons and 3 Leo suns...all of them selfish SOBs hahaNothing wrong with that but sometimes said selfishness is hurting another and theyfind it hard to see any fault intheir actions AND theynever apologize the latter with Leos (sun and moon alike) ime.Words of my Leo moon friends."ha! to think she actually thought she stood a chance with me!""it will be a cold day in hell before I ever apologize for anything I am in my right!""I love it when you need me...to do the things you obviously cant""I will not bend over backwards to accommodate(sp) ANYONE""I am THE BEST at what I do,I always get to YES!" And the list goes on.hahahaha D: tis what I am surrounded with...love it though cause I like to tease the **** out of them. stillatlargeCancer suns. The most selfish there are. mirage29I was studying my Asteroid Goddesses (Demetra George) book last night.Vesta Vesta (transits) can trigger becoming introspective and isolative for a while. In aspect with Pluto this can also cause a person to feel overly isolated from society. (p. 149)There are the generational Pluto Leos who have been experiencing that energetic effect of transiting Vesta. "The resolution of these challenges lies in focusing power into constructive social change and transformation." I myself have been sensitive to this.... tPluto opp my Vesta Cancer, with tVesta + tNN ON degree of my generational Pluto Leo.Laughing at myself here.... Sending Love and Good Vibes from the towers of introspective energies.wow! such a ~silly sensation...... *Here's to any fellow Pluto genners!!!*And! (reading more pages)... for the extra stress and burdened feelings of later Saturn-Leos.(music) One is the loneliest number (movie scene The Lego Batman, 2017) [1:19] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6czos7J8KAk mirage29 quote:Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:Ah, I dated a Venus Aries and a Mars Leo, is it safe to say he is an inconsiderate lover just thinking of his own gratification?No, or rather, YES!!! ... laughing here. Not debating, coz I really DO get it! Totally. I've personally Been There!!!! Lots of Love to you TaurusVenusGirl. teaselEveryone can be selfish. I've had my life totaled more than once by selfish Earth signs, and another fire sign.mirage29Teasel... I can amen you on that one too! {{ }}Love Hurts!!!... Relationships, a Miracle ?My dad used to sing this to me when he'd realize he had just seriously wounded and hurt my feelings. He'd try to capture and wrap his arms around me-- but I'd fight him off, and wrestle myself free from him... LOL(music) You Always Hurt the One You Love (Michael Buble) [3:30] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWDUvECO7Do MoonMysticGotta be honest as I feel my mother, hubby, self & a few past friends fit this, short answerFirst borns and only children - in Astrology aspects I'm clueless. lalalindaSelfishness is not an Aries trait, Inconsiderate is. ------------------A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step...Lao TzuRandall RandallInteresting take.RandallBump!mirage29 quote:Originally posted by lalalinda:Selfishness is not an Aries trait, Inconsiderate is. Anyone can be inconsiderate. Thanks for the insight, Lala! dreamscomeslowBeing selfish is an underrated quality.girlwiththerainysoulI consider myself a very selfish personthen I also have a pisces moon and upon first meeting me people assume that I am super sweet and kind, while what I actually am is a secretive and subtle manipulator I've tried to change several times, but each time I have ended up getting badly hurt (losing my physical and mental health)I have come to the conclusion that selfishness works best for me because only through it people would leave me alone..not to mention that I was always bullied by my peers as well as adults while growing up, and letting me be left to myself is really the greatest gift someone can give memy placements taurus sun (selfish enough I guess!) opposite pluto (I hate being controlled), in the 10th (everybody is always up in my business)pisces moon (loves loneliness and solitude) in the 9th (my mind always wandering into other lands and realms, I have never felt at home anywhere, never have known what it feels like to belong somewhere)Leo ACselfish enough I assumearies mercury in the 9th square mars, uranus, neptunesuper restless and never can calm physically - self-learner (have huge problems with academic environments)saturn (in aqua, my air singleton) right on the DCsuper careful (detatched/cold) in one-on-one relationships *vedic astrology says that saturn in the 7th people are highly judgemental of their mother (4th) and the teachers (9th), these are why they can be tough people to deal with MoonMysticLooking at this again, (A bit off course here buttrying to show its not mepicking on Earth. I'm SR Capricorn)I'm thinking of how thepentacles are represented the tarot deck with Earth.Monetary gains and lacks.This can be positive ornegative in a natal. I've known Virgos nit pick overmoney, time, attention.Taurus spend toextremes lavishly on themselves and expect a lot of attention on them, first.and Capricorn be tight, unless on themselves. Being the one to think their value might mean your time.Not everyone wishes to cater toEarth sign whims andcthey cancome off as rather selfish.I'd say Capricorn VenusAnd Taurus moon. It would make complete sense forEarth signs in Neptune,Moon or Venus. Maybe evenJupiter? Of course the whole chart should be considered.RandallSelfishness can be a positive trait.RandallBump!
I have Asc Aries and have the tendency of making things about me.
But in all honesty, most fire sign dominant people are like this ime
Anyone can be selfish, but this selfishness often shows up if the person has narcissistic personality or has damage/unhealthy way of thinking/feeling.
You need to see the whole chart. Based on my experience of the people I've met they have at least two water placement (or more) in their chart especially scorpio or cancer, mix with Air or Fire placement. The earth sun sign tend to have no water placement, oh, they don't feel anything. lol.
Leo AscCancer Sun, Merc, Venus 11H + Leo Saturn Cap Moon 5H
I have sun and merc in the 1st. And aries rising. Yes, I'm selfish and can be debilitatingly self-absorbed, in spite of my more selfless 12th house placements.
AND, there are levels of selfishness.I've known (and lived with) Aries people in my lifetime. Sometimes they can push themselves way out, even be explosive in their expressions, and, at the same time, have a truly sensitive core. They can't help being 'me first'... that's their wiring.
With practicing self-awareness (going IN one's self), we can become less a 'self'-ish. We can LEARN to become more Giving to Others, thinking of Others. (With LOTS of self-forgiveness too.)
Yes, it's hard when you've been long-term married to someone who refuses to acknowledge you. That can be VERY painful and isolative. {Charlie}
That's when we need some better boundaries... NOT to cut off the spouse, OR cut the rest of humanity off and say that nobody is Good, at all. Gently..., I think that wounds our own soul... Boundaries are where we need to draw lines between who WE are, and the values of the partner, or the values of other people?
We need to cultivate our INNER Gardens. What you Plant will grow.
If you think the world is super super selfish (WHICH I definitely would not disagree with-- because the blanket evidence IS there, very much), then, I would invite you (and me) to LOOK for the 'little evidences' of people doing invisible Good in the world. LOOK hard at first maybe? But, you'll start to see a WHOLE DIFFERENT Humanity start to be Birthed in front of your eyes. Collect those pieces of Evidence, and hide them in a special place inside you, inside your Heart.
There IS Good in the World. It IS there....
There's a difference between occasional organic times of retreat, being selfishness and re-charging our inner-batteries (that's natural) with a HARD CORE selfish nature. Those DO exist, too. Some seem incorrigible.
But....... when you see those things, begin pull away from that a bit, and start to cultivate "noticing" when people are NOT being selfish.
Even!! Note your OWN inner self... reach outside that bubble of harsh self-accusations, and begin to SEED some Kindness TO your inner self. It's not selfish to see your own self in a Kind light and awareness.... It's nutritive to your own soul.
In fact-- from there, from practicing INNER Compassion and thoughts of LovingKindness, we can REALLY REALLY have an effect... on others we meet, just from 'who' we are BEING among them.
When we 'notice' the Kindness of others, it reflects the Kindness in our OWN Soul.
Kindling. Kind-lings. Kind-words... Kind-tongue are like a medicine.Harsh words. Mean words...Cut like a knife, and leave people to bleed for a really really really long time.
YOU pick. Think. Then Choose Love.
(music) It Only Takes A Spark (Kurt Kaiser, guitar, instrumental) [2:48] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpHQAp8LiiQ
quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:Ehmm ....Aries/Leo i thinkI have Asc Aries and have the tendency of making things about me.But in all honesty, most fire sign dominant people are like this ime
I know 4 Leo mooners, 3 Gem moons and 3 Leo suns...all of them selfish SOBs haha
Nothing wrong with that but sometimes said selfishness is hurting another and theyfind it hard to see any fault intheir actions AND theynever apologize the latter with Leos (sun and moon alike) ime.
Words of my Leo moon friends.
"ha! to think she actually thought she stood a chance with me!"
"it will be a cold day in hell before I ever apologize for anything I am in my right!"
"I love it when you need me...to do the things you obviously cant"
"I will not bend over backwards to accommodate(sp) ANYONE"
"I am THE BEST at what I do,I always get to YES!"
And the list goes on.
hahahaha D: tis what I am surrounded with...love it though cause I like to tease the **** out of them.
Vesta
Vesta (transits) can trigger becoming introspective and isolative for a while.
In aspect with Pluto this can also cause a person to feel overly isolated from society. (p. 149)
There are the generational Pluto Leos who have been experiencing that energetic effect of transiting Vesta.
"The resolution of these challenges lies in focusing power into constructive social change and transformation."
I myself have been sensitive to this.... tPluto opp my Vesta Cancer, with tVesta + tNN ON degree of my generational Pluto Leo.
Laughing at myself here....
Sending Love and Good Vibes from the towers of introspective energies.
wow! such a ~silly sensation......
*Here's to any fellow Pluto genners!!!*
And! (reading more pages)... for the extra stress and burdened feelings of later Saturn-Leos.
(music) One is the loneliest number (movie scene The Lego Batman, 2017) [1:19] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6czos7J8KAk
quote:Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:Ah, I dated a Venus Aries and a Mars Leo, is it safe to say he is an inconsiderate lover just thinking of his own gratification?
No, or rather, YES!!! ... laughing here. Not debating, coz I really DO get it! Totally.
I've personally Been There!!!!
Lots of Love to you TaurusVenusGirl.
Love Hurts!!!... Relationships, a Miracle ?
My dad used to sing this to me when he'd realize he had just seriously wounded and hurt my feelings. He'd try to capture and wrap his arms around me-- but I'd fight him off, and wrestle myself free from him... LOL
(music) You Always Hurt the One You Love (Michael Buble) [3:30] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWDUvECO7Do
------------------A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step...Lao Tzu
quote:Originally posted by lalalinda:Selfishness is not an Aries trait, Inconsiderate is.
Anyone can be inconsiderate. Thanks for the insight, Lala!
then I also have a pisces moon and upon first meeting me people assume that I am super sweet and kind, while what I actually am is a secretive and subtle manipulator
I've tried to change several times, but each time I have ended up getting badly hurt (losing my physical and mental health)
I have come to the conclusion that selfishness works best for me because only through it people would leave me alone..not to mention that I was always bullied by my peers as well as adults while growing up, and letting me be left to myself is really the greatest gift someone can give me
my placements taurus sun (selfish enough I guess!) opposite pluto (I hate being controlled), in the 10th (everybody is always up in my business)
pisces moon (loves loneliness and solitude) in the 9th (my mind always wandering into other lands and realms, I have never felt at home anywhere, never have known what it feels like to belong somewhere)
Leo ACselfish enough I assume
aries mercury in the 9th square mars, uranus, neptunesuper restless and never can calm physically - self-learner (have huge problems with academic environments)
saturn (in aqua, my air singleton) right on the DCsuper careful (detatched/cold) in one-on-one relationships *vedic astrology says that saturn in the 7th people are highly judgemental of their mother (4th) and the teachers (9th), these are why they can be tough people to deal with
I'd say Capricorn VenusAnd Taurus moon. It would make complete sense forEarth signs in Neptune,Moon or Venus. Maybe evenJupiter? Of course the whole chart should be considered.
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