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kirki | Hi i would like to ask what is the orb we can use for parallels,if contraparallel is same as opposition.Also if we can use declinations for cusps,and north node. My north node is parallel to neptune but there are no aspects between them,so a parallel is significant by itself or requires an aspect too? |
Aries23Degrees | Nice questions. |
kirki | Thank you,but no any reply so far! |
Aries23Degrees | I can only answer those that I think I have the answers to. 1. The orb has to be tight. I think 1< 2.The contra-parallel is the opposition 3. I think a parallel aspect between two traditionally unaspected is enough on its own. An additional aspect between further emphasizes the nature of the aspect. 4.Declinations for cusps and North Node can also be used. I have Mercury/Jupiter parallel and Mercury/Sun parallel. But the two make no aspects to each other on the flat wheel. Nevertheless, I do identify strongly with both. Especially since when looked at holistically, they all form parallel " stellium" of Jupiter,Sun and Mercury. Again I am no expert. I hope someone will chime in with more information for you. |
kirki | Thank you!My asc parallels saturn ,and i have a twin sister whose asc doesnt have that parallel,all people say i look much more serious and strict than her,so i guess maybe it plays a role on that.Also i have read that contra parallel its like opposition but kind of softer.Thank you for your reply . |
Kannon McAfee | quote: Originally posted by kirki: Hi i would like to ask what is the orb we can use for parallels,if contraparallel is same as opposition.
Depends on the planet, but generally 1-1.5°. Less for the outermost planets Uranus, Neptune, Pluto; more for Sun, Moon, Jupiter. Luminaries in aspect with each other, possibly up to 2°. quote:
Also if we can use declinations for cusps,and north node.
Yes. quote:
My north node is parallel to neptune but there are no aspects between them,so a parallel is significant by itself or requires an aspect too?
That parallel is like a conjunction. It does not need another aspect in longitude (zodiac) to make it real. ------------------ Soul Stars Astrology - by the declinations guy Expert birth chart rectification Complete rising sign descriptions |
kirki | Okay ,thank you ,i think i got an idea about declinations.So i guess if i want to interpret them i can just search info about oppositions and conjuctions ,cause i cant find much about parallels. |
Kannon McAfee | Right. ------------------ Soul Stars Astrology - by the declinations guy Expert birth chart rectification Complete rising sign descriptions |
SimplyLuna | Is it okay I ask a few questions about declination too? I've read online parallels are like conjunction but softer. Same for opposition. What do you guys think about this? And... how about Mercury? I have Mercury contraparellel Pluto at between 1-1.5 degree. Is the orb too wide? |
Kannon McAfee | quote: Originally posted by SimplyLuna: [B]Is it okay I ask a few questions about declination too?I've read online parallels are like conjunction but softer. Same for opposition. What do you guys think about this?
Yes. quote:
And... how about Mercury? I have Mercury contraparellel Pluto at between 1-1.5 degree. Is the orb too wide?
That aspect would get only about a 1° orb. ------------------ Soul Stars Astrology - by the declinations guy Expert birth chart rectification Complete rising sign descriptions |
Aries23Degrees | I don't get the "like conjunctions but "softer" part" on these sites. What makes a Moon conjunct Mars "softer" than Moon/Mars parallel? |
kirki | I think it means less intense ,if a conjuction aspect is considered a really strong aspect ,a parallel is kind of less strong conjuction.This is how i perceive it.Something between trine and conjuction maybe.But i cant be sure. |
Aries23Degrees | I guess it would be much like differentiating between a sextile and trine. Or sextile from conjunction etc. To be honest, I am not great at telling the difference from the above. And so I just treat the parallel as the conjunction. |
Melinn | Paralells feels like conjunctions like how to describe it... You can't see the paralells if you do not open the pdf thing on astro.com. And when yu find paralells its like the planets involved is screaming "Surpriiiice! Yeah we are in contact too! You did not see that coming did you?! In your face!" hahah I found out I have Venus Paralell Pluto in synastry with someone and it really felt like that haha, totally blindsided |
Aries23Degrees | True I like em. Ever since I learned of em, I have been fascinated. |
Kannon McAfee | quote: Originally posted by Aries23Degrees: I don't get the "like conjunctions but "softer" part" on these sites. What makes a Moon conjunct Mars "softer" than Moon/Mars parallel?
Softer means less intense in spite of the similar dynamic of fusion of two planets, or special emphasis. I estimate that two planets/points in parallel aspect -- unless they are the tightest aspect in the chart -- have the dynamic of a conjunction, but less intensity of a conjunction relative to the arc space/time difference. In other words, because there is 360° arc space that creates a conjunction in longitude, but only a total of 114° maximum (based on Moon's max declination of 28.5°), there is only about 1/3 the arc space in declination to create parallels. (In reality this is more like a max of 25° for OOB planets, thus 100° for the total paths). This means they happen more often, and there is less distance to create as much tension/climax/importance. Therefore, parallels of declination are major aspects, but probably have an intensity more like that of a sextile or trine. So that is the explanation of 'softer'. This may not be as true in practice if a parallel aspect in a person's chart is the tightest one in it. That gives it an emphasis of its own that may allow it to outweigh the influence of other conjunctions in their chart. ------------------ Soul Stars Astrology - by the declinations guy Expert birth chart rectification Complete rising sign descriptions |
Aries23Degrees | I see. |
SimplyLuna | thanks Kannon! the information is useful. In that case mercury with 1° orb from my understanding. Also for Venus and Mars? Can I also ask what orb is suggested for planets on the angles? Is it the same concept between planets? |
Kannon McAfee | quote: Originally posted by SimplyLuna: thanks Kannon! the information is useful. In that case mercury with 1° orb from my understanding. Also for Venus and Mars?
Yes. quote:
Can I also ask what orb is suggested for planets on the angles? Is it the same concept between planets?
About the same. I do know that the Moon for example can be given at least a 1.5° orb for parallels / contra-parallels to Asc or MC -- IF you know that Asc or MC figure is dead-on accurate. That must be partly because the Moon is so close to Earth compared to other planets. I think the Sun would get a similar orb. ------------------ Soul Stars Astrology - by the declinations guy Declinations - because the planets move north and south of the celestial equator |
Randall | Thanks, Kannon. |
Randall | Bump! |
KarkaQueen | quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: Softer means less intense in spite of the similar dynamic of fusion of two planets, or special emphasis.I estimate that two planets/points in parallel aspect -- unless they are the tightest aspect in the chart -- have the dynamic of a conjunction, but less intensity of a conjunction relative to the arc space/time difference. In other words, because there is 360° arc space that creates a conjunction in longitude, but only a total of 114° maximum (based on Moon's max declination of 28.5°), there is only about 1/3 the arc space in declination to create parallels. (In reality this is more like a max of 25° for OOB planets, thus 100° for the total paths). This means they happen more often, and there is less distance to create as much tension/climax/importance. Therefore, parallels of declination are major aspects, but probably have an intensity more like that of a sextile or trine. So that is the explanation of 'softer'. This may not be as true in practice if a parallel aspect in a person's chart is the tightest one in it. That gives it an emphasis of its own that may allow it to outweigh the influence of other conjunctions in their chart.
Not true, Parallel is a very strong aspect, even stronger than a conjunction. I have seen the effects as loosely as a 2.50 orb for Parallels especially involving the inner planets. The nonsense sextile & trine part is just that, nonsense. Sextile and trine has a different energy than parallel. You serious? |
Kannon McAfee | Yes, I have worked with declinations for many years and observed them very carefully. I am quite comfortable with what I wrote above. I suggest you read it again more carefully and observe them longer. ------------------ Soul Stars Astrology - by the declinations guy Declinations: because the planets move north and south of the celestial equator |
BeholdAstarte | Very informative info above! Especially what kannon said, super interesting, it made a lot of sense. N I don’t think he literally ment that parallels are like trines and sextiles but it’s influence and feel is softer in effect like tribes, to me it makes sense as far as harmony. This makes sense to me because from my experience parallels seem to express themselves in a very immediate way, I can always pick them up, but it seems to come from a “softer” way of expression, like more subtle and I’m not sure if I’m using the proper usage but inna way “positive” expressions of the conjunction. I see the less ego side of parallels. Like for example, mars and Pluto parallels don’t seem to be as confrontational, tho I’ve met two girls with their mars parallel their moons and they both have a very biting way of expressing themselves, not super obvious but apparent enough I could pick up on an argumentative, snappy side that wouldn’t be as readily apparent in their flat charts with no obvious mars aspects but made total sense once I looked at declination. To me it just felt like the energy was expressed in a more subdued way, yet still potent enough that I’m able to pick up on the parallel energies. I personally have Pluto closely parallel my sun/mars/mercury conjunction/parallel. Flat wise Pluto is on my dc conjunct venus. When I read sun conjunct Pluto, mercury conjunct Pluto and mars it deeply resonates but I feel like the harsher side of Pluto is more subdued for me. Don’t get me wrong, I’m chaotic as hell and have a very suspicious, destructive part of myself, but maybe what I’m trying to get at is that it’s more of an internal struggle I go thru. The intense responses to people and environment more so sparks prolonged stuggles in myself and Pluto’s influence is unconscious, tho I feel like all in all people’s responces to me are extremely Plutonian and in the extremes, ignoring me, challenging me to loving me and helping me but it’s prolly cause my pluto is angular, it’s influnece it’s significant no matter what. |
Aries23Degrees | Hmmm. I like what you wrote there. It does resonate. Mercury-Jupiter parallel Sun-Mercury parallel Uranus-Mc parallel Sun-Mercury parallel, Mercury-Jupiter parallel and additional Moon in 3rd could explain my attraction to Mercurial types Sun/Moon in Virgo/Gemini. I just like how most of them express themselves- especially Virgo. |