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kirki
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posted January 05, 2018 07:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kirki     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi i would like to ask what is the orb we can use for parallels,if contraparallel is same as opposition.Also if we can use declinations for cusps,and north node. My north node is parallel to neptune but there are no aspects between them,so a parallel is significant by itself or requires an aspect too?

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posted January 05, 2018 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice questions.

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kirki
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posted January 05, 2018 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kirki     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you,but no any reply so far!

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posted January 05, 2018 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can only answer those that I think I have the answers to.

1. The orb has to be tight. I think 1<
2.The contra-parallel is the opposition
3. I think a parallel aspect between two traditionally unaspected is enough on its own. An additional aspect between further emphasizes the nature of the aspect.
4.Declinations for cusps and North Node can also be used.

I have Mercury/Jupiter parallel and Mercury/Sun parallel. But the two make no aspects to each other on the flat wheel.

Nevertheless, I do identify strongly with both. Especially since when looked at holistically, they all form parallel " stellium" of Jupiter,Sun and Mercury.

Again I am no expert. I hope someone will chime in with more information for you.

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kirki
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posted January 05, 2018 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kirki     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you!My asc parallels saturn ,and i have a twin sister whose asc doesnt have that parallel,all people say i look much more serious and strict than her,so i guess maybe it plays a role on that.Also i have read that contra parallel its like opposition but kind of softer.Thank you for your reply .

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posted January 05, 2018 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by kirki:
Hi i would like to ask what is the orb we can use for parallels,if contraparallel is same as opposition.

Depends on the planet, but generally 1-1.5. Less for the outermost planets Uranus, Neptune, Pluto; more for Sun, Moon, Jupiter. Luminaries in aspect with each other, possibly up to 2.

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Also if we can use declinations for cusps,and north node.

Yes.

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My north node is parallel to neptune but there are no aspects between them,so a parallel is significant by itself or requires an aspect too?

That parallel is like a conjunction. It does not need another aspect in longitude (zodiac) to make it real.

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posted January 05, 2018 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kirki     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay ,thank you ,i think i got an idea about declinations.So i guess if i want to interpret them i can just search info about oppositions and conjuctions ,cause i cant find much about parallels.

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posted January 05, 2018 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Right.

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posted January 05, 2018 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SimplyLuna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is it okay I ask a few questions about declination too?

I've read online parallels are like conjunction but softer. Same for opposition. What do you guys think about this?

And... how about Mercury? I have Mercury contraparellel Pluto at between 1-1.5 degree. Is the orb too wide?

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posted January 05, 2018 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SimplyLuna:
[B]Is it okay I ask a few questions about declination too?

I've read online parallels are like conjunction but softer. Same for opposition. What do you guys think about this?


Yes.

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And... how about Mercury? I have Mercury contraparellel Pluto at between 1-1.5 degree. Is the orb too wide?

That aspect would get only about a 1 orb.

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posted January 06, 2018 01:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't get the "like conjunctions but "softer" part" on these sites. What makes a Moon conjunct Mars "softer" than Moon/Mars parallel?

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kirki
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posted January 06, 2018 06:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kirki     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it means less intense ,if a conjuction aspect is considered a really strong aspect ,a parallel is kind of less strong conjuction.This is how i perceive it.Something between trine and conjuction maybe.But i cant be sure.

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posted January 06, 2018 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess it would be much like differentiating between a sextile and trine. Or sextile from conjunction etc.

To be honest, I am not great at telling the difference from the above. And so I just treat the parallel as the conjunction.

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posted January 06, 2018 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Paralells feels like conjunctions like how to describe it... You can't see the paralells if you do not open the pdf thing on astro.com. And when yu find paralells its like the planets involved is screaming "Surpriiiice! Yeah we are in contact too! You did not see that coming did you?! In your face!" hahah

I found out I have Venus Paralell Pluto in synastry with someone and it really felt like that haha, totally blindsided

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posted January 06, 2018 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
True

I like em. Ever since I learned of em, I have been fascinated.

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Kannon McAfee
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posted January 06, 2018 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I don't get the "like conjunctions but "softer" part" on these sites. What makes a Moon conjunct Mars "softer" than Moon/Mars parallel?

Softer means less intense in spite of the similar dynamic of fusion of two planets, or special emphasis.

I estimate that two planets/points in parallel aspect -- unless they are the tightest aspect in the chart -- have the dynamic of a conjunction, but less intensity of a conjunction relative to the arc space/time difference. In other words, because there is 360 arc space that creates a conjunction in longitude, but only a total of 114 maximum (based on Moon's max declination of 28.5), there is only about 1/3 the arc space in declination to create parallels. (In reality this is more like a max of 25 for OOB planets, thus 100 for the total paths). This means they happen more often, and there is less distance to create as much tension/climax/importance. Therefore, parallels of declination are major aspects, but probably have an intensity more like that of a sextile or trine. So that is the explanation of 'softer'.

This may not be as true in practice if a parallel aspect in a person's chart is the tightest one in it. That gives it an emphasis of its own that may allow it to outweigh the influence of other conjunctions in their chart.

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posted January 06, 2018 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see.

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posted January 12, 2018 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SimplyLuna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks Kannon! the information is useful. In that case mercury with 1 orb from my understanding. Also for Venus and Mars?

Can I also ask what orb is suggested for planets on the angles? Is it the same concept between planets?

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posted January 13, 2018 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SimplyLuna:
thanks Kannon! the information is useful. In that case mercury with 1 orb from my understanding. Also for Venus and Mars?

Yes.

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Can I also ask what orb is suggested for planets on the angles? Is it the same concept between planets?

About the same. I do know that the Moon for example can be given at least a 1.5 orb for parallels / contra-parallels to Asc or MC -- IF you know that Asc or MC figure is dead-on accurate. That must be partly because the Moon is so close to Earth compared to other planets. I think the Sun would get a similar orb.

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posted January 17, 2018 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Kannon.

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