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T O P I C R E V I E WSunAscendantDo you put much weight into them?Kannon McAfeeNo.------------------Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations GuyExpert birth chart rectificationnomad-monadI have put all my natal data in an excel-file: planets, various house cusps, asteroids, tno's, parts.Looking at this file, I can see certain natal patterns that I find interesting to follow and compare to in light of transits/life happenings.In that way, I put weight on them in the sense that they add to the picture and makes the ongoing interpretation of transits/meditation into my chart more interesting - but I am more concerned with discovering curiosities parallel to my expanding understanding of basic astrology, rather than adhering strictly to certain doctrines or 'using' the lots for 'predictive' purposes.In terms of reading the parts/lots in themselves as they 'should' be read according to doctrine, it is a complicated matter that only people who are very well-versed in traditional astrology should venture into. The Hellenistic astrologers were not very unified in how they used the lots, so there are many things one need to take into consideration when trying to wrap ones head around them.So unless you want to go down that rabbithole I would stick to basics and not put much weight in the lots other than possibly as a curiosity to see how, when, and if they get pinged. I wager the bet that most of us have plenty of basic astrological understanding left to attain before lots should enter the scene in any serious way.GrahamNo ... but :-Try experimenting with the Part of Self-Undoing (aka the Part of Treachery) ... Ascendant + Neptune - SunIn The Spiral of Life, Joanne Wickenburg and Virginia Meyer describe it as "where self-centredness invites treachery or deception from others." ... And state that "learning to face reality where this Part falls, and developing true concern for others, makes this part a potential for spiritualization of the personal consciousness".[Mine is at 16Leo34 in 11th house ... which is the exact location of my retrograde natal Pluto.] ScorpieScorp quote:Originally posted by Graham:No ... but :-Try experimenting with the [b]Part of Self-Undoing (aka the Part of Treachery) ... Ascendant + Neptune - SunIn The Spiral of Life, Joanne Wickenburg and Virginia Meyer describe it as "where self-centredness invites treachery or deception from others." ... And state that "learning to face reality where this Part falls, and developing true concern for others, makes this part a potential for spiritualization of the personal consciousness".[Mine is at 16Leo34 in 11th house ... which is the exact location of my retrograde natal Pluto.] [/B]How do you add that in Astro.com? Somna7H quote:Originally posted by SunAscendant:Do you put much weight into them?NO, I don't.My Part of POF, 2nd House Cusp, venus and Moon all within 2 Degree of Orb.I see not Lucky in 2nd House related matter.Transit, Eclipse etc happens but no effect yet. ------------------My Chat : http://imgur.com/hCRDawDGraham quote:Originally posted by ScorpieScorp: How do you add that in Astro.com? I have not tried it ... but their faqs advise :-Please go to the Extended Chart Selection and select the chart drawing type: 'Astrodienst with Arabic Points'. When the chart drawing is displayed, click on the link 'Additional Tables (PDF)'. You will find a whole page with around 50 different arabic or sensitive points. ... http://www.astro.com/faq/fq_fh_extra_e.htm___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________They are easy to calculate though ... and there is a list of them at http://libracentre.com/arabic_list.php0Aries0 = 0 ... 0Taurus0 = 30 .... 0Libra0 = 180 ... 0Pisces0 = 330So ... your Ascendant at 28Leo18 = 148deg18 ... your Neptune at 14Sag47 = 254deg47 ... your Sun at 15Scorpio49 = 225deg49. 148:18 + 254:47 = 403:05 ... 403:05 - 225:49 = 177:16 = 27Virgo16 MoonMystic mirage29This is a good article. Covers more than just Part of Fortune. Read through it. Talks about meanings of other Lots. - http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_fortune_e.htm Don't be afraid of triggering language used. It is archaic. For example, the Parts of Assassination, would be how you "FEEL" .. when in personal and character-attacks. It's mostly dealing with either personal ego or emotions. Not necessarily literal death, etc.Sharing another resource from notes I have.* "Dreamhouse" website.- http://www-personal.umich.edu/~pfa/dreamhouse/attic/lots/ * Arlene Kramer is another astrologer with great information.
------------------Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations GuyExpert birth chart rectification
Looking at this file, I can see certain natal patterns that I find interesting to follow and compare to in light of transits/life happenings.
In that way, I put weight on them in the sense that they add to the picture and makes the ongoing interpretation of transits/meditation into my chart more interesting - but I am more concerned with discovering curiosities parallel to my expanding understanding of basic astrology, rather than adhering strictly to certain doctrines or 'using' the lots for 'predictive' purposes.
In terms of reading the parts/lots in themselves as they 'should' be read according to doctrine, it is a complicated matter that only people who are very well-versed in traditional astrology should venture into. The Hellenistic astrologers were not very unified in how they used the lots, so there are many things one need to take into consideration when trying to wrap ones head around them.
So unless you want to go down that rabbithole I would stick to basics and not put much weight in the lots other than possibly as a curiosity to see how, when, and if they get pinged. I wager the bet that most of us have plenty of basic astrological understanding left to attain before lots should enter the scene in any serious way.
Try experimenting with the Part of Self-Undoing (aka the Part of Treachery) ... Ascendant + Neptune - Sun
In The Spiral of Life, Joanne Wickenburg and Virginia Meyer describe it as "where self-centredness invites treachery or deception from others." ... And state that "learning to face reality where this Part falls, and developing true concern for others, makes this part a potential for spiritualization of the personal consciousness".
[Mine is at 16Leo34 in 11th house ... which is the exact location of my retrograde natal Pluto.]
quote:Originally posted by Graham:No ... but :-Try experimenting with the [b]Part of Self-Undoing (aka the Part of Treachery) ... Ascendant + Neptune - SunIn The Spiral of Life, Joanne Wickenburg and Virginia Meyer describe it as "where self-centredness invites treachery or deception from others." ... And state that "learning to face reality where this Part falls, and developing true concern for others, makes this part a potential for spiritualization of the personal consciousness".[Mine is at 16Leo34 in 11th house ... which is the exact location of my retrograde natal Pluto.] [/B]
Try experimenting with the [b]Part of Self-Undoing (aka the Part of Treachery) ... Ascendant + Neptune - Sun
[Mine is at 16Leo34 in 11th house ... which is the exact location of my retrograde natal Pluto.] [/B]
How do you add that in Astro.com?
quote:Originally posted by SunAscendant:Do you put much weight into them?
NO, I don't.My Part of POF, 2nd House Cusp, venus and Moon all within 2 Degree of Orb.I see not Lucky in 2nd House related matter.Transit, Eclipse etc happens but no effect yet.
------------------My Chat : http://imgur.com/hCRDawD
quote:Originally posted by ScorpieScorp: How do you add that in Astro.com?
I have not tried it ... but their faqs advise :-
Please go to the Extended Chart Selection and select the chart drawing type: 'Astrodienst with Arabic Points'. When the chart drawing is displayed, click on the link 'Additional Tables (PDF)'. You will find a whole page with around 50 different arabic or sensitive points. ... http://www.astro.com/faq/fq_fh_extra_e.htm___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
They are easy to calculate though ... and there is a list of them at http://libracentre.com/arabic_list.php
0Aries0 = 0 ... 0Taurus0 = 30 .... 0Libra0 = 180 ... 0Pisces0 = 330
So ... your Ascendant at 28Leo18 = 148deg18 ... your Neptune at 14Sag47 = 254deg47 ... your Sun at 15Scorpio49 = 225deg49.
148:18 + 254:47 = 403:05 ... 403:05 - 225:49 = 177:16 = 27Virgo16
- http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_fortune_e.htm
Don't be afraid of triggering language used. It is archaic. For example, the Parts of Assassination, would be how you "FEEL" .. when in personal and character-attacks.
It's mostly dealing with either personal ego or emotions. Not necessarily literal death, etc.
Sharing another resource from notes I have.* "Dreamhouse" website.- http://www-personal.umich.edu/~pfa/dreamhouse/attic/lots/
* Arlene Kramer is another astrologer with great information.
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