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T O P I C R E V I E WAstrogirlieNot sure if this is the right place to ask this or if I should move it under the synastry forum. What could indicate domestic violence in a relationship? Is it possible to even pin point something like that between two individuals? Thanks (:AyeletAfflicted Mars in the 4th house, perhaps?GrahamMy concern about exploring this as a general topic on the Astrology 2 board is that (say) "planet X, in sign Y/house Z conjunct planet A, in sign B/house C" CAN indicate domestic violence ... but (when seen in the context of a specific-and-whole chart) MAY actually indicate something completely different.And, in my experience of astrology forums, this kind of thread/topic is usually read by many people that are not actively involved in its discussion - which often results in some non-participating novice/fledgling astrologers erroneously concluding domestic violence features in the life of EVERYONE who has this indicator in their natal chart, and frequently leads on to the subsequent harassment/bullying of those (known to them) whose natal charts do contain the 'undesirable' astrological indicator.However ... this is just a comment that my personal code of ethics obliges me to make here. So, I apologise unreservedly to Astrogirlie for breaking the LL forum's unwritten rule of "do not offer advice which has not been asked for". NineFrom what I've seen, the same aspects that causes intense attraction, and explosive lovemaking. So, I suspect domestic violence may be the result of frustrated/blocked energy.Astrogirlie quote:Originally posted by Ayelet:Afflicted Mars in the 4th house, perhaps?@ayelet: Thank you <3Astrogirlie quote:Originally posted by Graham:My concern about exploring this as a general topic on the Astrology 2 board is that (say) "planet X, in sign Y/house Z conjunct planet A, in sign B/house C" CAN indicate domestic violence ... but (when seen in the context of a specific-and-whole chart) MAY actually indicate something completely different.And, in my experience of astrology forums, this kind of thread/topic is usually read by many people that are not actively involved in its discussion - which often results in some non-participating novice/fledgling astrologers erroneously concluding domestic violence features in the life of EVERYONE who has this indicator in their natal chart, and frequently leads on to the subsequent harassment/bullying of those (known to them) whose natal charts [b]do contain the 'undesirable' astrological indicator.However ... this is just a comment that my personal code of ethics obliges me to make here. So, I apologise unreservedly to Astrogirlie for breaking the LL forum's unwritten rule of "do not offer advice which has not been asked for". [/B]@graham- Thank you ! no worries(:livvywatermonkeyI would say Mars in close, hard aspect to 2 or more of Saturn, Pluto or Uranus, could signify violence as an important issue to come to terms with in one’s life - this would not necessarily indicate one is an abuser or abused, but it could signify an experience or understanding of some kind of violence, for example one could be an observer of social violence/injustice & become a spokesperson on the topic. For example, I have Mars-Saturn-Venus stellium in Aquarius, square Pluto, not in close aspect, but this resembles the possible combination of aspects I mentioned above, & the concept of “violation” has been an important one for me to sift through & understand personally MoonMystic - removed - After thinking it over it was no use to your question. Sorry. Ami AnneUnaspected Mars has a very bad temper. Sun combust Moon can be a hair trigger too. Pluto conjunct Mars can have a bad temper as well as Pluto in any hard aspect to Mars.------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/Hikaru29This isn't just one aspect, I believe it depends on individual natal charts + environment + their synastry. Does the abuser naturally has that tendency? Is the one being abused constantly triggering their temper/patience? I've seen people always losing their temper at one person but calm with another.I also have a temper although I don't have any of the typical indicators (i.e. Mars hard aspects to Uranus/Pluto/Saturn unless you count a sesqui to Uranus). My Pisces Mars forms a t-square with my Sag Moon/Gem Venus, trine Saturn, sextile Sun. I can get very angry but it's not in my nature to hit someone although I've come close to it a few times... I won't rule out the possibility of hitting someone if they really really press my buttons though.mirage29 RandallNo, Graham, the unwritten “rule“ as you call it is to not force your advice down someone’s throat when you know that they want you to leave them alone.The whole point of a discussion forum such as this is to impliedly by its very nature openly welcome the advice of everyone and anyone who reads a thread and chooses to contribute such advice. RandallBump!RandallBump!hearttreasureBeen there. I have to say the classic Mars/Pluto in synastry.In that relationship, I don't think I intentionally provoke his anger. I have to say, there's high insecurity about the relationship, because:- I was popular at that time with men. I think he feared losing me and felt rejected when I said I was too young to get married and the relationship was just two weeks when he asked me, like, we both need to know each other first, the family, etc, before making a serious commitment like marriage. - I was a very private person at that time, didn't like people knew all of my relationship problems immediately, kept everything to myself first until I found the solution, but he was the opposite. What he did was the fastest way to draw people's attention to our relationship and he let in the potential "relationship intruder". He took his female friends words about me having another man. Which later, he cheated with one of those female friend.- My quiet nature in the relationship and "take it or leave it" attitude in the relationship got him a nerve because all he knew about woman in a relationship was complicated: wanted to know her man's activity, jealous/ possessive, loved to chat or talk about small little things, etc, but I got his point that he wanted "attention" from me and made him feel secured but my nature wasn't like what he wanted me to be. So whenever I asked him a break up (because I didn't want he hurt me with cheating anymore and blamed me just because he forced a change in me), he didn't like it. I am Scorpio Pluto generation and he is Libra Pluto generation. That makes his Mars making a hard aspect to my Pluto.He only became violent when break up topic was in the air or I would leave him. His Mars aspect: opposite Saturn, and opposite Pluto in different planet sign.Astrogirlie quote:Originally posted by hearttreasure:Been there. I have to say the classic Mars/Pluto in synastry.In that relationship, I don't think I intentionally provoke his anger. I have to say, there's high insecurity about the relationship, because:- I was popular at that time with men. I think he feared losing me and felt rejected when I said I was too young to get married and the relationship was just two weeks when he asked me, like, we both need to know each other first, the family, etc, before making a serious commitment like marriage. - I was a very private person at that time, didn't like people knew all of my relationship problems immediately, kept everything to myself first until I found the solution, but he was the opposite. What he did was the fastest way to draw people's attention to our relationship and he let in the potential "relationship intruder". He took his female friends words about me having another man. Which later, he cheated with one of those female friend.- My quiet nature in the relationship and "take it or leave it" attitude in the relationship got him a nerve because all he knew about woman in a relationship was complicated: wanted to know her man's activity, jealous/ possessive, loved to chat or talk about small little things, etc, but I got his point that he wanted "attention" from me and made him feel secured but my nature wasn't like what he wanted me to be. So whenever I asked him a break up (because I didn't want he hurt me with cheating anymore and blamed me just because he forced a change in me), he didn't like it. I am Scorpio Pluto generation and he is Libra Pluto generation. That makes his Mars making a hard aspect to my Pluto.He only became violent when break up topic was in the air or I would leave him. His Mars aspect: opposite Saturn, and opposite Pluto in different planet sign.- sorry to hear that you went through that! glad that hopefully you no longer are in that relaionship!mars hard aspect to pluto , I can see he tension there. explains some of it! Thanks for your share (:Aries23Degrees quote:Originally posted by Astrogirlie:Not sure if this is the right place to ask this or if I should move it under the synastry forum. What could indicate domestic violence in a relationship? Is it possible to even pin point something like that between two individuals? Thanks (:Most times I see that the individual who experiences domestic violence has already been exposed to it prior to the relationship via parents or early home environment.Sometimes the (default) modelling of our parents/maternal givers of what constitutes a "relationship", can condition us into thinking what defines emotional security/safety for us(IC). This for better or worse.For instance if I grew up with Mars/Moon conj in 4th. And had no other alternative reference points from which to evaluate the relationship dynamics in my own home etc. I can (at worst) repeat my parent's toxic behaviours in my relationship. Or attract someone who resembles what I am used to from "home"(Ic). And be so magnetized to them.So say Mars rules the 7th and is in the 4th conjunct Moon and BOTH square Uranus in 12th.One manifestation may be that I am likely either a very touchy("testy") individual in relationships. Or am drawn to people who exhibits traits of being temperamental or "testy".If Moon is rules the 3rd,the abuse(at worst)could be verbal. Or we have a lot of arguments that get loud, demeaning and very hurtful.The square to Uranus could suggest that these arguments and standoffs start at any given time over anything. And may be very disruptive up to a point of landing us in jail(Uranus in 12th)Moon/Mars natal conj in 4th however also suggests that as "chaotic" as this is to others external to me.It is to me what I grew up under & am used to. 🤷🏿♂️Maybe my parents did it? Or else it was behaviour that I bore the brunt of? Whatever it is, if there isn't any conscious awareness on my side to not repeat these conditioned patterns. I will attract violent relationships until I recognize the pattern for myself.hearttreasure quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees: ... And had no other alternative reference points from which to evaluate the relationship dynamics in my own home etc. I can (at worst) repeat my parent's toxic behaviours in my relationship. Or attract someone who resembles what I am used to from "home"(Ic). And be so magnetized to them....I observe the same thing. If the person doesn't have positive or wise person around that closest to him or her, it's very difficult to get out from that chain. Or at least he or she has some awareneness, introspective self, to help him or her to wake up and realize "the chain" is really there and be the better person not being denial.nordicsoul,,nordicsoul1.contact between mars-pluto2. mars-pluto in 8 house of the partner3. sometimes mars-neptune may as well4. afflicted mars-saturn of course this depend on the natal chart and personality of each individual, but in general, i would not like those aspects in my synastry, specially 1 and 2. RandallBump!
And, in my experience of astrology forums, this kind of thread/topic is usually read by many people that are not actively involved in its discussion - which often results in some non-participating novice/fledgling astrologers erroneously concluding domestic violence features in the life of EVERYONE who has this indicator in their natal chart, and frequently leads on to the subsequent harassment/bullying of those (known to them) whose natal charts do contain the 'undesirable' astrological indicator.
However ... this is just a comment that my personal code of ethics obliges me to make here. So, I apologise unreservedly to Astrogirlie for breaking the LL forum's unwritten rule of "do not offer advice which has not been asked for".
So, I suspect domestic violence may be the result of frustrated/blocked energy.
quote:Originally posted by Ayelet:Afflicted Mars in the 4th house, perhaps?
@ayelet: Thank you <3
quote:Originally posted by Graham:My concern about exploring this as a general topic on the Astrology 2 board is that (say) "planet X, in sign Y/house Z conjunct planet A, in sign B/house C" CAN indicate domestic violence ... but (when seen in the context of a specific-and-whole chart) MAY actually indicate something completely different.And, in my experience of astrology forums, this kind of thread/topic is usually read by many people that are not actively involved in its discussion - which often results in some non-participating novice/fledgling astrologers erroneously concluding domestic violence features in the life of EVERYONE who has this indicator in their natal chart, and frequently leads on to the subsequent harassment/bullying of those (known to them) whose natal charts [b]do contain the 'undesirable' astrological indicator.However ... this is just a comment that my personal code of ethics obliges me to make here. So, I apologise unreservedly to Astrogirlie for breaking the LL forum's unwritten rule of "do not offer advice which has not been asked for". [/B]
And, in my experience of astrology forums, this kind of thread/topic is usually read by many people that are not actively involved in its discussion - which often results in some non-participating novice/fledgling astrologers erroneously concluding domestic violence features in the life of EVERYONE who has this indicator in their natal chart, and frequently leads on to the subsequent harassment/bullying of those (known to them) whose natal charts [b]do contain the 'undesirable' astrological indicator.
However ... this is just a comment that my personal code of ethics obliges me to make here. So, I apologise unreservedly to Astrogirlie for breaking the LL forum's unwritten rule of "do not offer advice which has not been asked for". [/B]
@graham- Thank you ! no worries(:
For example, I have Mars-Saturn-Venus stellium in Aquarius, square Pluto, not in close aspect, but this resembles the possible combination of aspects I mentioned above, & the concept of “violation” has been an important one for me to sift through & understand personally
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I also have a temper although I don't have any of the typical indicators (i.e. Mars hard aspects to Uranus/Pluto/Saturn unless you count a sesqui to Uranus). My Pisces Mars forms a t-square with my Sag Moon/Gem Venus, trine Saturn, sextile Sun. I can get very angry but it's not in my nature to hit someone although I've come close to it a few times... I won't rule out the possibility of hitting someone if they really really press my buttons though.
The whole point of a discussion forum such as this is to impliedly by its very nature openly welcome the advice of everyone and anyone who reads a thread and chooses to contribute such advice.
In that relationship, I don't think I intentionally provoke his anger. I have to say, there's high insecurity about the relationship, because:
- I was popular at that time with men. I think he feared losing me and felt rejected when I said I was too young to get married and the relationship was just two weeks when he asked me, like, we both need to know each other first, the family, etc, before making a serious commitment like marriage.
- I was a very private person at that time, didn't like people knew all of my relationship problems immediately, kept everything to myself first until I found the solution, but he was the opposite. What he did was the fastest way to draw people's attention to our relationship and he let in the potential "relationship intruder". He took his female friends words about me having another man. Which later, he cheated with one of those female friend.
- My quiet nature in the relationship and "take it or leave it" attitude in the relationship got him a nerve because all he knew about woman in a relationship was complicated: wanted to know her man's activity, jealous/ possessive, loved to chat or talk about small little things, etc, but I got his point that he wanted "attention" from me and made him feel secured but my nature wasn't like what he wanted me to be. So whenever I asked him a break up (because I didn't want he hurt me with cheating anymore and blamed me just because he forced a change in me), he didn't like it.
I am Scorpio Pluto generation and he is Libra Pluto generation. That makes his Mars making a hard aspect to my Pluto.
He only became violent when break up topic was in the air or I would leave him. His Mars aspect: opposite Saturn, and opposite Pluto in different planet sign.
quote:Originally posted by hearttreasure:Been there. I have to say the classic Mars/Pluto in synastry.In that relationship, I don't think I intentionally provoke his anger. I have to say, there's high insecurity about the relationship, because:- I was popular at that time with men. I think he feared losing me and felt rejected when I said I was too young to get married and the relationship was just two weeks when he asked me, like, we both need to know each other first, the family, etc, before making a serious commitment like marriage. - I was a very private person at that time, didn't like people knew all of my relationship problems immediately, kept everything to myself first until I found the solution, but he was the opposite. What he did was the fastest way to draw people's attention to our relationship and he let in the potential "relationship intruder". He took his female friends words about me having another man. Which later, he cheated with one of those female friend.- My quiet nature in the relationship and "take it or leave it" attitude in the relationship got him a nerve because all he knew about woman in a relationship was complicated: wanted to know her man's activity, jealous/ possessive, loved to chat or talk about small little things, etc, but I got his point that he wanted "attention" from me and made him feel secured but my nature wasn't like what he wanted me to be. So whenever I asked him a break up (because I didn't want he hurt me with cheating anymore and blamed me just because he forced a change in me), he didn't like it. I am Scorpio Pluto generation and he is Libra Pluto generation. That makes his Mars making a hard aspect to my Pluto.He only became violent when break up topic was in the air or I would leave him. His Mars aspect: opposite Saturn, and opposite Pluto in different planet sign.
- sorry to hear that you went through that! glad that hopefully you no longer are in that relaionship!mars hard aspect to pluto , I can see he tension there. explains some of it! Thanks for your share (:
quote:Originally posted by Astrogirlie:Not sure if this is the right place to ask this or if I should move it under the synastry forum. What could indicate domestic violence in a relationship? Is it possible to even pin point something like that between two individuals? Thanks (:
Most times I see that the individual who experiences domestic violence has already been exposed to it prior to the relationship via parents or early home environment.
Sometimes the (default) modelling of our parents/maternal givers of what constitutes a "relationship", can condition us into thinking what defines emotional security/safety for us(IC). This for better or worse.
For instance if I grew up with Mars/Moon conj in 4th. And had no other alternative reference points from which to evaluate the relationship dynamics in my own home etc. I can (at worst) repeat my parent's toxic behaviours in my relationship. Or attract someone who resembles what I am used to from "home"(Ic). And be so magnetized to them.
So say Mars rules the 7th and is in the 4th conjunct Moon and BOTH square Uranus in 12th.One manifestation may be that I am likely either a very touchy("testy") individual in relationships. Or am drawn to people who exhibits traits of being temperamental or "testy".
If Moon is rules the 3rd,the abuse(at worst)could be verbal. Or we have a lot of arguments that get loud, demeaning and very hurtful.
The square to Uranus could suggest that these arguments and standoffs start at any given time over anything. And may be very disruptive up to a point of landing us in jail(Uranus in 12th)
Moon/Mars natal conj in 4th however also suggests that as "chaotic" as this is to others external to me.It is to me what I grew up under & am used to. 🤷🏿♂️
Maybe my parents did it? Or else it was behaviour that I bore the brunt of? Whatever it is, if there isn't any conscious awareness on my side to not repeat these conditioned patterns. I will attract violent relationships until I recognize the pattern for myself.
quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees: ... And had no other alternative reference points from which to evaluate the relationship dynamics in my own home etc. I can (at worst) repeat my parent's toxic behaviours in my relationship. Or attract someone who resembles what I am used to from "home"(Ic). And be so magnetized to them....
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I observe the same thing. If the person doesn't have positive or wise person around that closest to him or her, it's very difficult to get out from that chain. Or at least he or she has some awareneness, introspective self, to help him or her to wake up and realize "the chain" is really there and be the better person not being denial.
of course this depend on the natal chart and personality of each individual, but in general, i would not like those aspects in my synastry, specially 1 and 2.
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