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T O P I C R E V I E WAdrianaSo in the natal chart Venus and Mercury can only be certain degrees away from the Sun (like to signs for Venus?). But I wonder how your chart would look if you were born on the space station. What role would planet Earth have? And the Asc would be weird as you don’t really have planets that are “invisible” under you like it would on earth depending on your birth hour. The Sun would be seen from any point lolRandallBump!Dumuzihonestly since all astrology is living/born on earth based it's a hard call, we'd need some babies to experiment with over the course of time i think 😁it's an interesting question i just can't really imagine how to answer it given that the system used is dependent on being born on earthedit: i imagine astrology couldn't be used i guess, not as we know itmirage29You could always do Heliocentric chart.The Earth and Moon appear together on that chart.The spacestation would be between earth and moon! A Love Child. When you get caught between the Moon and New York City... (music) The Best That You Can Do (Christopher Cross, Arthur Theme, 1981, lyrics)[3:57] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toMRbadxC4E Dumuzi quote:Originally posted by mirage29:You could always do Heliocentric chart.The Earth and Moon appear together on that chart.The spacestation would be between earth and moon! A Love Child. When you get caught between the Moon and New York City... (music) The Best That You Can Do (Christopher Cross, Arthur Theme, 1981, lyrics)[3:57] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toMRbadxC4E forgot those exist, interesting thoughthow would you measure time of birth though? you couldn't could you? time on earth is measured based on the placement of the sun and **** right? and time zones count for a chart but in space they couldn't existedit: also could you even get a proper date for the chart? there's points where it's tuesday in one spot on earth and monday on another how would that work in space? it couldn't technically could it?and if it can't be calculated then their birth time can't actually be recorded right? not to earth standards i imaginei can't see a way they could have a proper chart with an earth based system, it would have to be station based but how could that even be figured out? 🤷♀️mirage29NASA keeps track of those Spacestations, right?They have coordinates measured from earth points. e.g. The failing Chinese Rocket entered Earth's Atmosphere and they tracked it the whole way.When it was going over Gaza, they had a time, and location recorded. It was still up in the atmosphere. Didn't come down until it reached the Maldives, off coast of southwest tip of India. That's how (I think) they could pin it.There's another calculation where they base coordinates off measuring two-bodies -- barycenter. Hypothetical Lilith (Black Moon) uses that method. That's the little black moon crescent and cross you find in Astrodienst charts.- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barycenter -----Spacestations -- look at their math in sidebar.- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiangong-1 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylab -----EVENT ChartColumbia Disaster- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Space:_Columbia_Disaster_(STS_107) They have a record of the precise time of explosion (in mid-air, over an earth coordinate).Skylab ChartDissolved in the air, but birth time was earth launch - http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Space:_Skylab_(space_station) Dumuzi@mirage29:yeah but those are earth centric right? would something earth centric work for someone not born here? 🤔 even the lilith point and nodes are calculated in relation to earthwe could calculate where the station is in relation to earth but when we make a natal chart we use the specific location on earth to measure it am i missing something? lol the more i think about this the more i feel like maybe i'm missing somethinggoing to look at the links in a bit though, can't focus well right now@Adrianna this is going to be on my mind all day lolmirage29Well.... The charts we make are 'flat' charts. There hasn't been an innovation where computer drawings of a chart includes 'elevations' yet.- http://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2014/08/20/3 41641164/if-youre-born-in-the-sky-whats-your-nationality-an-airplane-puzzler We can measure Declinations .. but 'that' is not an 'Elevations' based chart. Dalai Lama was born in a higher-Elevation.There's no flat-mapping for Elevations? Latitude, Longitude, Declination, ?Elevation? Ha! I thought his chart had a Grand Cross.Some human 'adjusted' his Birthtime? Rectification... Rated "C" on the Rodden Scale.{pun} It's STILL "up in the air" 'when' he was born. - http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Dalai_Lama_XIV Elevations... would be a whole other 'measurement' -- the 'spot' between The Moon and New York City! Dumuzi🤔 will take elevations argument into account, have to consider this more thoroughly, interesting point 😁AdrianaI’m glad I made people think lol!Our little space baby would be interesting indeed. Hasn’t it happened that two astronauts get a good eye for each other and test the uhm gravity of love making in space? LolAlso would the signs be 30 degrees each like on Earth? And the Moon would easily be conjunct Earth, depending on distance. Maybe not so close as the space station though.And to make matters worse/interesting! What on solar systems with two suns! “I’m a Sag/Taurus lol”Dumuzilol it's a great question, it feels like the astrology equivalent of a "who would win x or y" (insert fictional characters here) sort of conversation, don't see much of that here or anywhere actually so it's refreshing 😁 actually really appreciate having to think like that sometimesreally wish we had some experimental space babies though 😔planet with two suns would be interesting and definitely would need another sort of system i think (though i'm with vedic in counting moon and ascendant as more important placements so maybe it'd only do so much...)Gemini BluesA bit of theory craft:First, the location and the the local time would simply be the same as the spot on earth that it was passing over at the instant of birth. Which I imagine would apply just as it would for a birth on an airplane, or a ship a couple of miles above an ocean floor on the surface of the ocean. The question becomes what do we do about the ascendant? At a hight of 254 miles above the surface, we could expect the earth to block approximately 90° of the field of view. Say, all of the 3rd and 4th houses, and roughly half of the 2nd and 5th. Planets in the 1st and 6th should be viable.I've heard discussions about how planets just below the ASC/DSC axis sometimes can be treated as if they are in daylight since the atmosphere ever so slightly bends or refracts light at the horizon. Perhaps this principle would be extended to the entire 1st and 6th houses, as well as those just beyond the cusps into the 2nd/5th.Now, get enough distance from earth that the earth itself becomes just another planet, say on a voyage to mars, and you need a completely new system.MoonMystic love your thinking! That is definitely a cool fwd concept that might one day be common. One can wonder if.Also we hear a lot of Mars. What if some may perceive Mars as their Sun? Interesting to think of game changers.Dumuzi quote:Originally posted by Gemini Blues:A bit of theory craft:First, the location and the the local time would simply be the same as the spot on earth that it was passing over at the instant of birth. Which I imagine would apply just as it would for a birth on an airplane, or a ship a couple of miles above an ocean floor on the surface of the ocean. The question becomes what do we do about the ascendant? At a hight of 254 miles above the surface, we could expect the earth to block approximately 90° of the field of view. Say, all of the 3rd and 4th houses, and roughly half of the 2nd and 5th. Planets in the 1st and 6th should be viable.I've heard discussions about how planets just below the ASC/DSC axis sometimes can be treated as if they are in daylight since the atmosphere ever so slightly bends or refracts light at the horizon. Perhaps this principle would be extended to the entire 1st and 6th houses, as well as those just beyond the cusps into the 2nd/5th.Now, get enough distance from earth that the earth itself becomes just another planet, say on a voyage to mars, and you need a completely new system.this is basically where i ended up, at a certain point it'd be a new system but i guess due to elevation there's also a point where earth astrology could still be usedmirage29I was thinking of the added dimension of 'Elevation' earlier today.In this World, we have some very tall buildings.- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings If a baby is born on one of the top floors,because the baby was born under its roof and address,the birth chart would be 'grounded' down to the steel foundations IN the earth.The theory of Elevations could mean the introduction of a whole other delineation-- describing traits, etc. Would have to use Forensics, to research Elevations and come up with added chart descriptions. The WAY the original Astrology was written/formed was through thousands of years of Observations, passed down to other astrologers by verbal traditions at first, adding later the keeping of written logs, diaries, journals on the effects of positions of planets. We'd have to revisit those, and add a whole other Dimension?? (music) A Whole New World (Mena Massoud, Naomi Scott, from Aladdin) [3:09] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eitDnP0_83k RandallBump!
it's an interesting question i just can't really imagine how to answer it given that the system used is dependent on being born on earth
edit: i imagine astrology couldn't be used i guess, not as we know it
The spacestation would be between earth and moon! A Love Child.
When you get caught between the Moon and New York City...
(music) The Best That You Can Do (Christopher Cross, Arthur Theme, 1981, lyrics)[3:57] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toMRbadxC4E
quote:Originally posted by mirage29:You could always do Heliocentric chart.The Earth and Moon appear together on that chart.The spacestation would be between earth and moon! A Love Child. When you get caught between the Moon and New York City... (music) The Best That You Can Do (Christopher Cross, Arthur Theme, 1981, lyrics)[3:57] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toMRbadxC4E
forgot those exist, interesting thought
how would you measure time of birth though? you couldn't could you? time on earth is measured based on the placement of the sun and **** right? and time zones count for a chart but in space they couldn't exist
edit: also could you even get a proper date for the chart? there's points where it's tuesday in one spot on earth and monday on another how would that work in space? it couldn't technically could it?
and if it can't be calculated then their birth time can't actually be recorded right? not to earth standards i imagine
i can't see a way they could have a proper chart with an earth based system, it would have to be station based but how could that even be figured out? 🤷♀️
They have coordinates measured from earth points.
e.g. The failing Chinese Rocket entered Earth's Atmosphere and they tracked it the whole way.
When it was going over Gaza, they had a time, and location recorded. It was still up in the atmosphere. Didn't come down until it reached the Maldives, off coast of southwest tip of India.
That's how (I think) they could pin it.
There's another calculation where they base coordinates off measuring two-bodies -- barycenter.
Hypothetical Lilith (Black Moon) uses that method. That's the little black moon crescent and cross you find in Astrodienst charts.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barycenter
-----Spacestations -- look at their math in sidebar.- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiangong-1 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylab
-----EVENT ChartColumbia Disaster- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Space:_Columbia_Disaster_(STS_107) They have a record of the precise time of explosion (in mid-air, over an earth coordinate).
Skylab ChartDissolved in the air, but birth time was earth launch - http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Space:_Skylab_(space_station)
yeah but those are earth centric right? would something earth centric work for someone not born here? 🤔 even the lilith point and nodes are calculated in relation to earth
we could calculate where the station is in relation to earth but when we make a natal chart we use the specific location on earth to measure it
am i missing something? lol the more i think about this the more i feel like maybe i'm missing something
going to look at the links in a bit though, can't focus well right now
@Adrianna this is going to be on my mind all day lol
- http://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2014/08/20/3 41641164/if-youre-born-in-the-sky-whats-your-nationality-an-airplane-puzzler
We can measure Declinations .. but 'that' is not an 'Elevations' based chart.
Dalai Lama was born in a higher-Elevation.There's no flat-mapping for Elevations?
Latitude, Longitude, Declination, ?Elevation? Ha! I thought his chart had a Grand Cross.Some human 'adjusted' his Birthtime? Rectification... Rated "C" on the Rodden Scale.
{pun} It's STILL "up in the air" 'when' he was born. - http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Dalai_Lama_XIV
Elevations... would be a whole other 'measurement' -- the 'spot' between The Moon and New York City!
Also would the signs be 30 degrees each like on Earth? And the Moon would easily be conjunct Earth, depending on distance. Maybe not so close as the space station though.
And to make matters worse/interesting! What on solar systems with two suns! “I’m a Sag/Taurus lol”
actually really appreciate having to think like that sometimes
really wish we had some experimental space babies though 😔
planet with two suns would be interesting and definitely would need another sort of system i think (though i'm with vedic in counting moon and ascendant as more important placements so maybe it'd only do so much...)
First, the location and the the local time would simply be the same as the spot on earth that it was passing over at the instant of birth. Which I imagine would apply just as it would for a birth on an airplane, or a ship a couple of miles above an ocean floor on the surface of the ocean.
The question becomes what do we do about the ascendant? At a hight of 254 miles above the surface, we could expect the earth to block approximately 90° of the field of view. Say, all of the 3rd and 4th houses, and roughly half of the 2nd and 5th. Planets in the 1st and 6th should be viable.
I've heard discussions about how planets just below the ASC/DSC axis sometimes can be treated as if they are in daylight since the atmosphere ever so slightly bends or refracts light at the horizon. Perhaps this principle would be extended to the entire 1st and 6th houses, as well as those just beyond the cusps into the 2nd/5th.
Now, get enough distance from earth that the earth itself becomes just another planet, say on a voyage to mars, and you need a completely new system.
Also we hear a lot of Mars. What if some may perceive Mars as their Sun? Interesting to think of game changers.
quote:Originally posted by Gemini Blues:A bit of theory craft:First, the location and the the local time would simply be the same as the spot on earth that it was passing over at the instant of birth. Which I imagine would apply just as it would for a birth on an airplane, or a ship a couple of miles above an ocean floor on the surface of the ocean. The question becomes what do we do about the ascendant? At a hight of 254 miles above the surface, we could expect the earth to block approximately 90° of the field of view. Say, all of the 3rd and 4th houses, and roughly half of the 2nd and 5th. Planets in the 1st and 6th should be viable.I've heard discussions about how planets just below the ASC/DSC axis sometimes can be treated as if they are in daylight since the atmosphere ever so slightly bends or refracts light at the horizon. Perhaps this principle would be extended to the entire 1st and 6th houses, as well as those just beyond the cusps into the 2nd/5th.Now, get enough distance from earth that the earth itself becomes just another planet, say on a voyage to mars, and you need a completely new system.
this is basically where i ended up, at a certain point it'd be a new system but i guess due to elevation there's also a point where earth astrology could still be used
In this World, we have some very tall buildings.- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings
If a baby is born on one of the top floors,because the baby was born under its roof and address,the birth chart would be 'grounded' down to the steel foundations IN the earth.
The theory of Elevations could mean the introduction of a whole other delineation-- describing traits, etc.
Would have to use Forensics, to research Elevations and come up with added chart descriptions.
The WAY the original Astrology was written/formed was through thousands of years of Observations, passed down to other astrologers by verbal traditions at first, adding later the keeping of written logs, diaries, journals on the effects of positions of planets.
We'd have to revisit those, and add a whole other Dimension??
(music) A Whole New World (Mena Massoud, Naomi Scott, from Aladdin) [3:09] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eitDnP0_83k
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