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T O P I C R E V I E Wvenus2tinkerbellWhat are your first words?venus2tinkerbellMine:I've been in a few close car accidents. Time slows down. Instead of hearing crashing and horns you hear things like the blinkers. You hear your own frightened breath:"Allahu Akbar"--------------------------------------9/11- my son was a toddler playing on the living room floor. My husband came home, half jokingly saying some idiot had flown his private plane into the Towers. We turned on the tv to see a building crashing to ground. I turned to the wall and slammed my hand on it and screamed "Allahu Akbar!"------------------------------------------It means God is most greatAt the same time that fear and grief might be pulsing through my body, I involuntarily shout Allahu Akbar. On one level I am completely shaken. At the same time I remind myself that I believe in God, that everything happens by His divine will, and that live or die, in gain and in loss my faith is the only and last thing I truly have.Times of fear and grief and what you say during those times can be revealing. Do you know what you say?venus2tinkerbellI just asked my girlfriend this on FB. She says she says "oh **** ".I wonder what that means.. RandallYeah, It's crazy how time slows down!!!!!!venus2tinkerbellEverything's in slo mo man. I don't think I've ever experienced something like that except in a car accident. Once I went of the road and into someone's yard. They had quite a bit of yard. There was enough packed snow on the ground for me to fight back and try to maneuver the car. I could hear myself grunting (girl grunts) as I turned the wheel. It was so weird though because it sounded like my voice was coming from in the seat next to me.Once when I was spinning out on the thruway I just sat there with my hands at my side. That's when all I heard were my blinkers. Lol.I'm a completely safe driver.venus2tinkerbell quote:Originally posted by Randall:Yeah, It's crazy how time slows down!!!!!!Do you say anything? A prayer? You're Catholic, right?FaithI almost died about a month before my wedding when my car was hit/plowed by a Mack track from behind, on the freeway. My car spun around and hit another car head-on, then hit the central divider, then spun across the lanes and squashed itself under the trailer of the truck that hit me. Most of my car was totalled. I was completely fine, not a scratch.But I did expect to die for those 20 seconds or so. My thoughts were:"How strange! I was going to get married. Dying right before my wedding?...who does that?"Not kidding those would have been my very last thoughts.FaithThinking about this, it's actually kind of sad and shows the state I was in at that time.I kinda felt like I didn't belong in this world.Maybe I should have steered more carefully, maybe subconsciously I was looking for my ticket to the Great Unknown.But, if it matters, I've talked about my faith before, relative to naming myself this. And I think it's highlighted in the most emphatic way possible, when I say that there I was about to die...and I felt no separation from God, no crying out to God, I had no doubt God was right there with me.I was very much at peace, though mentally confused.I do pray in times of fear and tragedy...I'll ask God to help others...but I've felt that I don't need to ask for help for myself? So far I have mostly known that I was being taken care of, and when I didn't, God seemed so far away that there didn't seem to be any point requesting anything then, either. Like I'm either safe or I'm not. In those raw, tense, hyper-real situations...there doesn't seem to be an in-between. juniperbFaith I`m the one to say noooooo; like "noooo" will make it go away . Or oh sh@t . Not origional in the least. ------------------Partial truth~the seeds of wisdom~can be found in many places...The seeds of wisdom are contained in all scriptures ever written… especially in art, music, and poetry and, above all, in Nature.Linda GoodmanSulkyarcherI start thinking and analyzing. Virgo South node, and all. Then I surrender when I'm done analyzing all I can.Faith quote:Originally posted by juniperb:Or oh sh@t .That, too. Voix_de_la_MerProbably, "So! What are we going to do about this mess?!"And *rolls up sleeves*venus2tinkerbellThat accident. Sounds. Terrifying.Your thoughts, though. I love them. They say to me that you have so much peace and surrender that you can afford to be curious...maybe concerned.. ha ha. Bless. quote:Originally posted by Faith:Thinking about this, it's actually kind of sad and shows the state I was in at that time. If you're using your words and thoughts to judge your state of mind, then no. I disagree. But if you remember being sad, that's another thing... Your words don't indicate inner sadness to me. Something else. quote:I kinda felt like I didn't belong in this world.Maybe I should have steered more carefully, maybe subconsciously I was looking for my ticket to the Great Unknown.I've done that. Even when I was actually sad, I've never seen it as a lasting condition of my heart. Just something I need to work out. In that way steering carelessly becomes and adventure. An adventure that you survived because your intention was only ever to learn and experience (if you could see the grin on my face). quote:But, if it matters, I've talked about my faith before, relative to naming myself this. And I think it's highlighted in the most emphatic way possible, when I say that there I was about to die...and I felt no separation from God, no crying out to God, I had no doubt God was right there with me.I was very much at peace, though mentally confused.I do pray in times of fear and tragedy...I'll ask God to help others...but I've felt that I don't need to ask for help for myself? So far I have mostly known that I was being taken care of, and when I didn't, God seemed so far away that there didn't seem to be any point requesting anything then, either. Like I'm either safe or I'm not. In those raw, tense, hyper-real situations...there doesn't seem to be an in-between. Mhmm. Like I said, peace. venus2tinkerbell quote:Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:Probably, "So! What are we going to do about this mess?!"And *rolls up sleeves*I'd like to be like this in cases where it would be useful. I'd like to be like Sulkyarcher too. Virgo ♍ NN. I'm working on it...Right now I can be that way when danger or tragedy that occurs, occurs naturally, but I can't get past processing violence between people emotionally first, which makes me unavailable for mental analysis. I never could chew gum and do the other thing at the same time. I'm working on it because I think I'm supposed to. What's very interesting to me is I believe the ability to analyze a situation in times of crisis is connected to a deep faith which does not even need to be summoned. The kind of faith Faith was talking about even though that's not what she called it.venus2tinkerbell quote:Originally posted by juniperb:Faith I`m the one to say noooooo; like "noooo" will make it go away . Or oh sh@t . Not origional in the least. Yes. "nooo" Voix_de_la_Mer quote:Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell: I'd like to be like this in cases where it would be useful. I'd like to be like Sulkyarcher too. Virgo ♍ NN. I'm working on it...Right now I can be that way when danger or tragedy that occurs, occurs naturally, but I can't get past processing violence between people emotionally first, which makes me unavailable for mental analysis. I never could chew gum and do the other thing at the same time. I'm working on it because I think I'm supposed to. What's very interesting to me is I believe the ability to analyze a situation in times of crisis is connected to a deep faith which does not even need to be summoned. The kind of faith Faith was talking about even though that's not what she called it.No, no, you make a good point.I was shooting ahead in the process.Ultimately, I do seek solutions. However, I work in crisis, and you cannot walk through one without emotional support.The emotional support must come first in most cases. When people are hurting they need to be heard.I think what I was trying to express was that ultimately I like to get to the deepest layer of why things happen.Many I work with in crisis are suffering because of issues in the deeper fabric of society.I can counsel as many people as I like, but if I do nothing about the root cause of suffering then I am merely applying a bandaid. This is the standard I set myself. We all have a role to play in easing suffering in the world, and we all have valuable gifts to bring to others.My Moon is in Virgo btw.Faith quote:If you're using your words and thoughts to judge your state of mind, then no. I disagree. But if you remember being sad, that's another thing... Your words don't indicate inner sadness to me. Something else.No, I don't remember being sad, I wasn't sad. I mean, my life situation at that point was very sad to me....as I look back at it now.Thanks for all the nice things you say. SulkyarcherI stuff myself with cookies.
I've been in a few close car accidents. Time slows down. Instead of hearing crashing and horns you hear things like the blinkers. You hear your own frightened breath:
"Allahu Akbar"
--------------------------------------
9/11- my son was a toddler playing on the living room floor. My husband came home, half jokingly saying some idiot had flown his private plane into the Towers. We turned on the tv to see a building crashing to ground. I turned to the wall and slammed my hand on it and screamed "Allahu Akbar!"------------------------------------------
It means God is most great
At the same time that fear and grief might be pulsing through my body, I involuntarily shout Allahu Akbar. On one level I am completely shaken. At the same time I remind myself that I believe in God, that everything happens by His divine will, and that live or die, in gain and in loss my faith is the only and last thing I truly have.
Times of fear and grief and what you say during those times can be revealing. Do you know what you say?
I wonder what that means..
Once when I was spinning out on the thruway I just sat there with my hands at my side. That's when all I heard were my blinkers. Lol.
I'm a completely safe driver.
quote:Originally posted by Randall:Yeah, It's crazy how time slows down!!!!!!
Do you say anything? A prayer? You're Catholic, right?
But I did expect to die for those 20 seconds or so. My thoughts were:
"How strange! I was going to get married. Dying right before my wedding?...who does that?"
Not kidding those would have been my very last thoughts.
I kinda felt like I didn't belong in this world.
Maybe I should have steered more carefully, maybe subconsciously I was looking for my ticket to the Great Unknown.
But, if it matters, I've talked about my faith before, relative to naming myself this. And I think it's highlighted in the most emphatic way possible, when I say that there I was about to die...and I felt no separation from God, no crying out to God, I had no doubt God was right there with me.
I was very much at peace, though mentally confused.
I do pray in times of fear and tragedy...I'll ask God to help others...but I've felt that I don't need to ask for help for myself?
So far I have mostly known that I was being taken care of, and when I didn't, God seemed so far away that there didn't seem to be any point requesting anything then, either.
Like I'm either safe or I'm not. In those raw, tense, hyper-real situations...there doesn't seem to be an in-between.
I`m the one to say noooooo; like "noooo" will make it go away . Or oh sh@t . Not origional in the least.
------------------Partial truth~the seeds of wisdom~can be found in many places...The seeds of wisdom are contained in all scriptures ever written… especially in art, music, and poetry and, above all, in Nature.Linda Goodman
quote:Originally posted by juniperb:Or oh sh@t .
That, too.
And *rolls up sleeves*
quote:Originally posted by Faith:Thinking about this, it's actually kind of sad and shows the state I was in at that time.
quote:I kinda felt like I didn't belong in this world.Maybe I should have steered more carefully, maybe subconsciously I was looking for my ticket to the Great Unknown.
I've done that. Even when I was actually sad, I've never seen it as a lasting condition of my heart. Just something I need to work out. In that way steering carelessly becomes and adventure. An adventure that you survived because your intention was only ever to learn and experience (if you could see the grin on my face).
quote:But, if it matters, I've talked about my faith before, relative to naming myself this. And I think it's highlighted in the most emphatic way possible, when I say that there I was about to die...and I felt no separation from God, no crying out to God, I had no doubt God was right there with me.I was very much at peace, though mentally confused.I do pray in times of fear and tragedy...I'll ask God to help others...but I've felt that I don't need to ask for help for myself? So far I have mostly known that I was being taken care of, and when I didn't, God seemed so far away that there didn't seem to be any point requesting anything then, either. Like I'm either safe or I'm not. In those raw, tense, hyper-real situations...there doesn't seem to be an in-between.
Mhmm. Like I said, peace.
quote:Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:Probably, "So! What are we going to do about this mess?!"And *rolls up sleeves*
I'd like to be like this in cases where it would be useful. I'd like to be like Sulkyarcher too. Virgo ♍ NN. I'm working on it...
Right now I can be that way when danger or tragedy that occurs, occurs naturally, but I can't get past processing violence between people emotionally first, which makes me unavailable for mental analysis. I never could chew gum and do the other thing at the same time. I'm working on it because I think I'm supposed to. What's very interesting to me is I believe the ability to analyze a situation in times of crisis is connected to a deep faith which does not even need to be summoned. The kind of faith Faith was talking about even though that's not what she called it.
quote:Originally posted by juniperb:Faith I`m the one to say noooooo; like "noooo" will make it go away . Or oh sh@t . Not origional in the least.
Yes. "nooo"
quote:Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell: I'd like to be like this in cases where it would be useful. I'd like to be like Sulkyarcher too. Virgo ♍ NN. I'm working on it...Right now I can be that way when danger or tragedy that occurs, occurs naturally, but I can't get past processing violence between people emotionally first, which makes me unavailable for mental analysis. I never could chew gum and do the other thing at the same time. I'm working on it because I think I'm supposed to. What's very interesting to me is I believe the ability to analyze a situation in times of crisis is connected to a deep faith which does not even need to be summoned. The kind of faith Faith was talking about even though that's not what she called it.
No, no, you make a good point.I was shooting ahead in the process.
Ultimately, I do seek solutions. However, I work in crisis, and you cannot walk through one without emotional support.
The emotional support must come first in most cases. When people are hurting they need to be heard.
I think what I was trying to express was that ultimately I like to get to the deepest layer of why things happen.Many I work with in crisis are suffering because of issues in the deeper fabric of society.
I can counsel as many people as I like, but if I do nothing about the root cause of suffering then I am merely applying a bandaid. This is the standard I set myself.
We all have a role to play in easing suffering in the world, and we all have valuable gifts to bring to others.
My Moon is in Virgo btw.
quote:If you're using your words and thoughts to judge your state of mind, then no. I disagree. But if you remember being sad, that's another thing... Your words don't indicate inner sadness to me. Something else.
No, I don't remember being sad, I wasn't sad.
I mean, my life situation at that point was very sad to me....as I look back at it now.
Thanks for all the nice things you say.
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