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T O P I C R E V I E WLeeLoo2014Would the synastry between one's sidereal and the other's tropical have any significance? If so, what would it be?------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...I'm so cappyyour Vedic to my natalyour ASC on my Mercuryyour Jupiter conjunct my VertexYour Moon opposite my Sunyour Pluto conjunct my ASCyour NN conjunct my Plutoyour MC conjunct my Moonyour Antivertex conjunct my Venusyour Venus conjunct my Jupitermy Vedic to your natalmy IC conjunct your MCmy Moon on your Plutomy Pluto conjunct your Uranusmy Uranus conjunct your NNmy Jupiter conjunct your DSC and Saturnmy ASC conjunct your Moon ------------------I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy.I'm so cappySince I'm bored I'm gonna spam this thread some more me and C.my Vedic to his natalmy IC on his Moon (a few minutes)my Moon conjunct his Saturn and Jupitermy Mercury conjunct his ASCmy Sun opposite his Sunmy Sun and Neptune conjunct his Neptunemy Saturn opposite his Mercurymy SN on his Mercury (a few minutes) and conjunct Venusmy Juno, Mercury, Amor and Valentine opposite his Marsmy Venus opposite his Venus and Vertex exactmy Ceres conjunct his Jupitermy Jupiter conjunct his Venusmy Eros opposite his Pholus and Erosmy Psyche opposite his Moonmy Priapus conjunct his Marshis Vedic to my natalhis Sun conjunct my Mars and MChis Mercury conjunct my MChis SN conjunct my Uranus and Neptunehis Ceres opposite my Sunhis MC on my Antivertex (a few minutes)his Jupiter and Saturn conjunct my ASChis Uranus and ASC conjunct my Moon and glorious asteroid stelliumhis Pholus and Eros conjunct my DSChis Neptune opposite my Marshis Chiron opposite my Moonhis Moon in the sign of my Moonhis Mars in the sign of my Mars------------------I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy.LeeLoo2014Knock yourself out, Cappy! Any idea about the theory behind the whole thing?------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...Ceridwen http://horoscopicastrologygroup.com/2007/03/22/secrets-of-the-zodiac/ "He also found in his research that when two souls end earthly relationships through either divorce or a parting of the ways, significant links were found between the Tropical Zodiac angles in one horoscope and the Sidereal Zodiac position of the planets in the second nativity. Because karma can only manifest on the Cross of Matter where time and space intersect, and these two Zodiacs are either time based (Tropical) or space based (Sidereal), the premise here is that a completion of karma between two souls can be seen through the comparison of the charts of these two Zodiacs."He interpreted the sidereal one as the karma of completion, while the Draco is about ongoing soulcontracts. Simply spoken, if you find the usual relationship markers in sidreal-tropical, it means this is the last way round and then you´re done and on your way out. This is true especially in terms of the marriage rule. So not every Sun-Venus connection would mean a parting of ways. LeeLoo2014Thanks, Ceri. This is interesting. But why parting ways when Karma is cleared? Isn't the (TF) Union supposed to be happening when this happens (when we're free of Karma)? So sidereal/tropical contacts are in fact separative?Time meets space doesn't sound bad to me.I'm not sure what you mean by the "marriage rule".------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...LeeLoo2014Now I got the chance to read the article, Ceri, thanks for that. i''l quote from it:The Tropical Zodiac commences from the Vernal Equinox, which is where the Ecliptic intersects the Equator and thus is a point in time. The Sidereal Zodiac is measured from the star Spica (Virgo 30), or from Aldebaran and Antares (Taurus 15-Scorpio 15), which are points in space. Because of the gravitational effect of the Sun and Moon on the Earth’s polar axis, a slow, swinging motion of the Earth’s axis of rotation occurs. This has the ultimate effect of moving the point at which the Vernal Equinox occurs by one degree each 72 years.With Zodiac signs being comprised of thirty degrees each, an Astrological Age thus lasts for 2,160 years (72 x 30). A Great Cycle through all twelve signs lasts for 25,900 years. Presently, mankind is in the Age of Pisces which began with the birth of Jesus Christ. The Age of Aquarius will not be commencing until the middle of the 22nd century. It is also of note that at the birth of Christ, the Sidereal and Tropical Zodiacs were aligned for the only time in the Great Cycle of almost 26,000 years. When Jesus said, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End” (Revelation 22:13), He was referring to the simple fact that only He was the One who incarnated at the beginning and the end of the Great Precessional Cycle of 26,000 years. Not Krishna, nor the Buddha, nor Mohammed can make this significant spiritual claim. At the present time, there is about a twenty four degree difference between the Tropical and Sidereal Zodiacs.The Heliocentric Zodiac is a Sun-centered model measuring the orbits of the planets from the heart of our solar system. The position of the Earth in these charts is 180˚ opposite the position of the Sun in a Tropical nativity. As there are no retrograde planets in a Heliocentric chart, its life force only goes forward into the future. Since there is no Moon in these charts, no memories from the past can affect the present. Because of their relative distance from the Sun, the superior planets of Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune or Pluto are just a few degrees off from their counterparts in a Tropical nativity. However, the personal planets of Mercury, Venus and Mars can be found in different signs than in the Tropical chart; and in the case of the inferior planets, Mercury and Venus, these two can be opposite their Tropical positions, if geocentrically retrograde at birth.The Draconic Zodiac transfers the North Node of the Moon (the point in the lunar orbit where it intersects the plane of the Ecliptic) to 00˚ 00′ Aries. A chart cast with this zodiac then computes the differential arc between this Aries point and one’s Tropical North Node, and adds this arc to the Luminaries, planets and angles in any nativity. The result is a chart that retains the identical gestalt, or pattern, of the Tropical horoscope, yet now has different Zodiac degrees for everything. The Draconic Zodiac is thus lunar based, whereas the Heliocentric Zodiac is a solar based calculation.What now emerges when the spiritual astrologer contemplates the intertwining reality of these four Zodiacs is that one is time based (Tropical), one is space based (Sidereal), one is lunar based (Draconic), and one is solar based (Heliocentric). Do all four Zodiacs represent different planes of reality? Can the astrologer now produce a unified field theory to explain their interrelationships?3. The Four Zodiacs and Different Planes of RealityIn his fourth book, Astrology: A Language of Life, Volume IV – Relationship Analysis, this author outlined these four Zodiacs and linked them with the karma of the space-time continuum as they pertain to human relationships. His research found that when comparing the nativities of family members, there were exact conjunctions between the Tropical Zodiac planets in one chart with the Draconic Zodiac positions in the second chart. The premise here is that an ongoing soul contract exists between parents, children and siblings who reincarnate into the same family system from lifetime to lifetime. This Zodiac is lunar based, thus relating to the karma of ancestral blood lines.He also found in his research that when two souls end earthly relationships through either divorce or a parting of the ways, significant links were found between the Tropical Zodiac angles in one horoscope and the Sidereal Zodiac position of the planets in the second nativity. Because karma can only manifest on the Cross of Matter where time and space intersect, and these two Zodiacs are either time based (Tropical) or space based (Sidereal), the premise here is that a completion of karma between two souls can be seen through the comparison of the charts of these two Zodiacs.The Heliocentric Zodiac is infrequently used by astrologers. This Sun-centered model generates a horoscope that symbolizes one’s Christ Consciousness, or one’s Higher Self. This chart, without a Sun position, operates at a level of reality where there is no individual ego, but only one’s Higher Self serving a larger purpose, such as Love, Truth or Beauty. This writer recommends viewing the Heliocentric nativity as representing all that is virtuous within the individual, as if he were operating from pure Spirit. These horoscopes are calculated using Natural Houses, where 00˚ Aries is rising, and as such, house positions of the planets are transcendental in nature, as they are not bound by an earthly Ascendant or Midheaven. The position of the Earth in these charts is 180˚ opposite the position of the Sun in a Tropical nativity, as if it were a reflection of Spirit. ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...LeeLoo2014I haven't worked with Sidereal until now, but I have this vision about the four zodiacs:two of them address our ineffable spirit's journey, through time and space, perhaps traveling through different worlds/dimensionsOur Stellar charts:our Sidereal chart (the stellar chart) and, a bit closer, our Helio chart (our stellar, higher self at the level of our star, the Sun)both of them are a map of our Spirit in its pure form, OUTSIDE/BEYOND incarnation. Helio is like a sparkle of Sidereal, the part of our stellar soul we need in this solar system.(I'm thinking comparing Helio with Sidereal should be interesting)two of them are our incarnation charts in this config (the Solar system and the planet Earth), they tell the story of our incarnation here.Our Tropical chartOur Draco chart------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...LeeLoo2014About the parting ways theory...so interesting! I haven't read the book, how many cases he used? Of course, a specific theory about past lives and karma is needed to understand/interpret such results. For example, does parting in this life means parting for good? It may as well be true.I have to think about that.What do you think?------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...cappy1277Ok help me understand this....I'm feeling brain dead after my economics final lol. My SO's mercury & Venus in sidereal is the same exact degree as my tropical sun. What does it exactly mean? That I complete his karma? What if there is nothing in either of my charts to his?LeeLoo2014Is this your only conjunction between sidereal/tropical? Both ways?------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...cappy1277It is completely one sided... his sidereal chart has the same degree conjunctions to my tropicalLunaeI haven't been back here in a while but that was a pretty good read! Thanks Leeloo and Ceri *off to do comparisons now* lolLeeLoo2014 quote:Originally posted by cappy1277:It is completely one sided... his sidereal chart has the same degree conjunctions to my tropicalSo his sidereal pours into your tropical, but not the other way around? let me know if I got it right, cause it sounds very interesting.Can you list the conjunctions between his sidereal/your tropical?------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...cappy1277his sidereal mercury and venus are in the same degrees as my sun. I do make a wide conjunction with my sidereal sun to his tropical moon (4d orb). My sidereal venus is conjunct his tropical venus mercury and sun but the orbs are about 4d apart also. His sidereal vertex is conjunct my tropical descendant. His sidereal moon is 6d away from my descendant as well. So i guess it isn't too completely one sided CeridwenLeeloo,Blashke was using Woody Allen/MIa Farrow as example to show a whole synastric analysis, step by step. However he mentioned other cases, too, but all in all the style of this book, is well, I have read it at least 3 times and STILL find new infos there. But it is more or less bits and pieces of information and you have to do a bit of thinking for yourself. Yes, I think he meant parting for good, at least if you are karmic partners. If the work is done, there is no reason to stay around each other anymore. However, that probably is not true for twinflames. but who knows maybe one factor in tf-astrology would be to NOT find these connections from sidereal to tropical? I do not know that though. BTW I like your view on the zodiacs, I see them the same. Draco and tropical are so tightly interlinked on the earth level. Helio and sidereal is a little more objective I guess, giving a picture from the bird-view in a spiritual sense.CeridwenMarriage Rule (a quote from Lois Sargent book actually, the very first I ever read on relationship astrology and one of the best):"The ruler of one Ascendant or Descendant must be conjunct the horizon in the other nativity; or, two of the four rulers of both horizongs must be conjunct, in any combination; or, either ruler, from the other nativity, of one`s horizon must be conjunct one`s Ascendant of Descendant."(orb is 5 degrees btw)Keep in mind though that is just about marriage, nothing said about staying together. lolHe gives some examples to explain the rules:1) Newman and Woodward: both Capricorn rising; her Saturn conjunct his ASC2) Prince Charles and Princess Diana: Diana had Sag rising; her Jupiter was conjunct his Descendant3) Bill and HIllary Clinton: Bill has Aries setting; Hillary has Gemini risng; his Mercury conjunct her Mars(so this works with projected houserulers, too)4) Dwight and Mamie Eisenhower: he had Virgo rising and Pisces setting; her Jupiter,r uler of his DESC, was conjunct his ASC5) John and Jacqueline Kennedy: She had Scorpio rising and Taurus setting; he had Libra rising and Aries setting; his Mars conjoined her Descendant.It is actually a pretty reliable rule. I have seen it being proven ovwer and over again. However I suppose not everyone having this combination, will get married. Just that if people get married, it comes up somehow. Only example where it seemed to fail I could find were my parents interestingly. lolThey have very strong other houseruler connections though, mostly the 8th house rulers in relation to the horizon (plus 5th and 2nd house). and her Venus is conjunct his Saturn-ASC-conjunction, with Saturn ruling her DESC. It is not quite the marriage rule, but close enough. lolPersonally I would not treat these as absolutes, though, and the parting of ways neither. Might be or might not be. CeridwenI suppose you could also see it this way that the presence of these sidereal/tropical ones show the potential of clearing the karma and preparing for the final union (if we are talking about twinflames at least.)Or nothing of that kind. CeridwenMr Sag and me have these conjunctions from sid-tropical (5 degree orb)---------------------------his sid Sun, Moon, MC conjunct my tropical Mars and ASChis sid Venus conjunct my tropical Venusmy sid Venus conjunct his Mercurymy sid Moon conjunct his Venusmy sid Pluto and MC conjunct his Mars-Jupiteralso looked up the sid/ tropical comparision with Mr Law, for funhis sid Jupiter-NN conjunct my Sun-Mercuryhis sid Eros conjunct my Psyche. lolhis sid IC conj. my Jupiter-Junohis sid Mars conj. my Uranushis sid Sun conjunct my Neptune-NNhis sid Moon conjunct my MCmy sid Venus conjunct his Neptune-ASC-Venus(my sid Venus is on my NN lol)my sid Sun-Mercury conjuunct his Marsmy sid Uranus conjunct his Pluto-MCthe one I have "dark karma" withhis sid Sun conj. my Mars-ASC-NN-Neptunehis sid Neptune on my Uranushis sid NN on my Chironhis sid Moon on my ICmy sid Venus on his Mercurymy sid Uranus on his Marsmy sid Mars-Neptune-NN-ASC on his NNdoesn´t even look that heavy. lolSo no clue what it really meansLeeLoo2014 quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen:Marriage Rule (a quote from Lois Sargent book actually, the very first I ever read on relationship astrology and one of the best):"The ruler of one Ascendant or Descendant must be conjunct the horizon in the other nativity; or, two of the four rulers of both horizongs must be conjunct, in any combination; or, either ruler, from the other nativity, of one`s horizon must be conjunct one`s Ascendant of Descendant."(orb is 5 degrees btw)Keep in mind though that is just about marriage, nothing said about staying together. lolHe gives some examples to explain the rules:1) Newman and Woodward: both Capricorn rising; her Saturn conjunct his ASC2) Prince Charles and Princess Diana: Diana had Sag rising; her Jupiter was conjunct his Descendant3) Bill and HIllary Clinton: Bill has Aries setting; Hillary has Gemini risng; his Mercury conjunct her Mars(so this works with projected houserulers, too)4) Dwight and Mamie Eisenhower: he had Virgo rising and Pisces setting; her Jupiter,r uler of his DESC, was conjunct his ASC5) John and Jacqueline Kennedy: She had Scorpio rising and Taurus setting; he had Libra rising and Aries setting; his Mars conjoined her Descendant.It is actually a pretty reliable rule. I have seen it being proven ovwer and over again. However I suppose not everyone having this combination, will get married. Just that if people get married, it comes up somehow. Only example where it seemed to fail I could find were my parents interestingly. lolThey have very strong other houseruler connections though, mostly the 8th house rulers in relation to the horizon (plus 5th and 2nd house). and her Venus is conjunct his Saturn-ASC-conjunction, with Saturn ruling her DESC. It is not quite the marriage rule, but close enough. lolPersonally I would not treat these as absolutes, though, and the parting of ways neither. Might be or might not be. Thank you!So the rule is a conjunction. I guess other aspects don't count. (for this rule)Hm...my parents have her DSC ruler conjunct his DSC ruler, out of sign, but 5.44- a bit wide for out of signIn my synastry, I have DSC ruler trine ASC ruler and DSC ruler trine DSC ruler, but I suppose they can't be included in this rule. Also, DSC ruler (Sun) conjunct ASC (7) -an aspect I consider, obviously hahaha (there is a DW with the other ASC/Sun in close orb).We'll just have to let the time go by lol------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...LeeLoo2014 quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen:Mr Sag and me have these conjunctions from sid-tropical (5 degree orb)Hm...I have an idea...but I need to research more examples.It looks like you and Jude are about to clear your karma hahahaha you don't have to worry about Mr Sag, no "parting ways" yet hehe------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...
------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...
your ASC on my Mercuryyour Jupiter conjunct my VertexYour Moon opposite my Sunyour Pluto conjunct my ASCyour NN conjunct my Plutoyour MC conjunct my Moonyour Antivertex conjunct my Venusyour Venus conjunct my Jupiter
my Vedic to your natal
my IC conjunct your MCmy Moon on your Plutomy Pluto conjunct your Uranusmy Uranus conjunct your NNmy Jupiter conjunct your DSC and Saturnmy ASC conjunct your Moon
------------------I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy.
me and C.
my Vedic to his natalmy IC on his Moon (a few minutes)my Moon conjunct his Saturn and Jupitermy Mercury conjunct his ASCmy Sun opposite his Sunmy Sun and Neptune conjunct his Neptunemy Saturn opposite his Mercurymy SN on his Mercury (a few minutes) and conjunct Venusmy Juno, Mercury, Amor and Valentine opposite his Marsmy Venus opposite his Venus and Vertex exactmy Ceres conjunct his Jupitermy Jupiter conjunct his Venusmy Eros opposite his Pholus and Erosmy Psyche opposite his Moonmy Priapus conjunct his Mars
his Vedic to my natalhis Sun conjunct my Mars and MChis Mercury conjunct my MChis SN conjunct my Uranus and Neptunehis Ceres opposite my Sunhis MC on my Antivertex (a few minutes)his Jupiter and Saturn conjunct my ASChis Uranus and ASC conjunct my Moon and glorious asteroid stelliumhis Pholus and Eros conjunct my DSChis Neptune opposite my Marshis Chiron opposite my Moonhis Moon in the sign of my Moonhis Mars in the sign of my Mars
"He also found in his research that when two souls end earthly relationships through either divorce or a parting of the ways, significant links were found between the Tropical Zodiac angles in one horoscope and the Sidereal Zodiac position of the planets in the second nativity. Because karma can only manifest on the Cross of Matter where time and space intersect, and these two Zodiacs are either time based (Tropical) or space based (Sidereal), the premise here is that a completion of karma between two souls can be seen through the comparison of the charts of these two Zodiacs."
He interpreted the sidereal one as the karma of completion, while the Draco is about ongoing soulcontracts.
Simply spoken, if you find the usual relationship markers in sidreal-tropical, it means this is the last way round and then you´re done and on your way out.
This is true especially in terms of the marriage rule. So not every Sun-Venus connection would mean a parting of ways.
Time meets space doesn't sound bad to me.
I'm not sure what you mean by the "marriage rule".
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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...
The Tropical Zodiac commences from the Vernal Equinox, which is where the Ecliptic intersects the Equator and thus is a point in time. The Sidereal Zodiac is measured from the star Spica (Virgo 30), or from Aldebaran and Antares (Taurus 15-Scorpio 15), which are points in space. Because of the gravitational effect of the Sun and Moon on the Earth’s polar axis, a slow, swinging motion of the Earth’s axis of rotation occurs. This has the ultimate effect of moving the point at which the Vernal Equinox occurs by one degree each 72 years.
With Zodiac signs being comprised of thirty degrees each, an Astrological Age thus lasts for 2,160 years (72 x 30). A Great Cycle through all twelve signs lasts for 25,900 years. Presently, mankind is in the Age of Pisces which began with the birth of Jesus Christ. The Age of Aquarius will not be commencing until the middle of the 22nd century. It is also of note that at the birth of Christ, the Sidereal and Tropical Zodiacs were aligned for the only time in the Great Cycle of almost 26,000 years. When Jesus said, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End” (Revelation 22:13), He was referring to the simple fact that only He was the One who incarnated at the beginning and the end of the Great Precessional Cycle of 26,000 years. Not Krishna, nor the Buddha, nor Mohammed can make this significant spiritual claim. At the present time, there is about a twenty four degree difference between the Tropical and Sidereal Zodiacs.
The Heliocentric Zodiac is a Sun-centered model measuring the orbits of the planets from the heart of our solar system. The position of the Earth in these charts is 180˚ opposite the position of the Sun in a Tropical nativity. As there are no retrograde planets in a Heliocentric chart, its life force only goes forward into the future. Since there is no Moon in these charts, no memories from the past can affect the present. Because of their relative distance from the Sun, the superior planets of Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune or Pluto are just a few degrees off from their counterparts in a Tropical nativity. However, the personal planets of Mercury, Venus and Mars can be found in different signs than in the Tropical chart; and in the case of the inferior planets, Mercury and Venus, these two can be opposite their Tropical positions, if geocentrically retrograde at birth.
The Draconic Zodiac transfers the North Node of the Moon (the point in the lunar orbit where it intersects the plane of the Ecliptic) to 00˚ 00′ Aries. A chart cast with this zodiac then computes the differential arc between this Aries point and one’s Tropical North Node, and adds this arc to the Luminaries, planets and angles in any nativity. The result is a chart that retains the identical gestalt, or pattern, of the Tropical horoscope, yet now has different Zodiac degrees for everything. The Draconic Zodiac is thus lunar based, whereas the Heliocentric Zodiac is a solar based calculation.
What now emerges when the spiritual astrologer contemplates the intertwining reality of these four Zodiacs is that one is time based (Tropical), one is space based (Sidereal), one is lunar based (Draconic), and one is solar based (Heliocentric). Do all four Zodiacs represent different planes of reality? Can the astrologer now produce a unified field theory to explain their interrelationships?
3. The Four Zodiacs and Different Planes of Reality
In his fourth book, Astrology: A Language of Life, Volume IV – Relationship Analysis, this author outlined these four Zodiacs and linked them with the karma of the space-time continuum as they pertain to human relationships. His research found that when comparing the nativities of family members, there were exact conjunctions between the Tropical Zodiac planets in one chart with the Draconic Zodiac positions in the second chart. The premise here is that an ongoing soul contract exists between parents, children and siblings who reincarnate into the same family system from lifetime to lifetime. This Zodiac is lunar based, thus relating to the karma of ancestral blood lines.
He also found in his research that when two souls end earthly relationships through either divorce or a parting of the ways, significant links were found between the Tropical Zodiac angles in one horoscope and the Sidereal Zodiac position of the planets in the second nativity. Because karma can only manifest on the Cross of Matter where time and space intersect, and these two Zodiacs are either time based (Tropical) or space based (Sidereal), the premise here is that a completion of karma between two souls can be seen through the comparison of the charts of these two Zodiacs.
The Heliocentric Zodiac is infrequently used by astrologers. This Sun-centered model generates a horoscope that symbolizes one’s Christ Consciousness, or one’s Higher Self. This chart, without a Sun position, operates at a level of reality where there is no individual ego, but only one’s Higher Self serving a larger purpose, such as Love, Truth or Beauty. This writer recommends viewing the Heliocentric nativity as representing all that is virtuous within the individual, as if he were operating from pure Spirit. These horoscopes are calculated using Natural Houses, where 00˚ Aries is rising, and as such, house positions of the planets are transcendental in nature, as they are not bound by an earthly Ascendant or Midheaven. The position of the Earth in these charts is 180˚ opposite the position of the Sun in a Tropical nativity, as if it were a reflection of Spirit.
two of them address our ineffable spirit's journey, through time and space, perhaps traveling through different worlds/dimensions
Our Stellar charts:
our Sidereal chart (the stellar chart) and, a bit closer,
our Helio chart (our stellar, higher self at the level of our star, the Sun)
both of them are a map of our Spirit in its pure form, OUTSIDE/BEYOND incarnation. Helio is like a sparkle of Sidereal, the part of our stellar soul we need in this solar system.
(I'm thinking comparing Helio with Sidereal should be interesting)
two of them are our incarnation charts in this config (the Solar system and the planet Earth), they tell the story of our incarnation here.
Our Tropical chartOur Draco chart
Of course, a specific theory about past lives and karma is needed to understand/interpret such results. For example, does parting in this life means parting for good? It may as well be true.
I have to think about that.
What do you think?
My SO's mercury & Venus in sidereal is the same exact degree as my tropical sun. What does it exactly mean? That I complete his karma? What if there is nothing in either of my charts to his?
*off to do comparisons now* lol
quote:Originally posted by cappy1277:It is completely one sided... his sidereal chart has the same degree conjunctions to my tropical
So his sidereal pours into your tropical, but not the other way around? let me know if I got it right, cause it sounds very interesting.
Can you list the conjunctions between his sidereal/your tropical?
Blashke was using Woody Allen/MIa Farrow as example to show a whole synastric analysis, step by step.
However he mentioned other cases, too, but all in all the style of this book, is well, I have read it at least 3 times and STILL find new infos there. But it is more or less bits and pieces of information and you have to do a bit of thinking for yourself.
Yes, I think he meant parting for good, at least if you are karmic partners. If the work is done, there is no reason to stay around each other anymore. However, that probably is not true for twinflames. but who knows maybe one factor in tf-astrology would be to NOT find these connections from sidereal to tropical? I do not know that though.
BTW I like your view on the zodiacs, I see them the same. Draco and tropical are so tightly interlinked on the earth level.
Helio and sidereal is a little more objective I guess, giving a picture from the bird-view in a spiritual sense.
"The ruler of one Ascendant or Descendant must be conjunct the horizon in the other nativity; or, two of the four rulers of both horizongs must be conjunct, in any combination; or, either ruler, from the other nativity, of one`s horizon must be conjunct one`s Ascendant of Descendant."
(orb is 5 degrees btw)
Keep in mind though that is just about marriage, nothing said about staying together. lol
He gives some examples to explain the rules:
1) Newman and Woodward: both Capricorn rising; her Saturn conjunct his ASC
2) Prince Charles and Princess Diana: Diana had Sag rising; her Jupiter was conjunct his Descendant
3) Bill and HIllary Clinton: Bill has Aries setting; Hillary has Gemini risng; his Mercury conjunct her Mars
(so this works with projected houserulers, too)
4) Dwight and Mamie Eisenhower: he had Virgo rising and Pisces setting; her Jupiter,r uler of his DESC, was conjunct his ASC
5) John and Jacqueline Kennedy: She had Scorpio rising and Taurus setting; he had Libra rising and Aries setting; his Mars conjoined her Descendant.
It is actually a pretty reliable rule. I have seen it being proven ovwer and over again. However I suppose not everyone having this combination, will get married. Just that if people get married, it comes up somehow.
Only example where it seemed to fail I could find were my parents interestingly. lol
They have very strong other houseruler connections though, mostly the 8th house rulers in relation to the horizon (plus 5th and 2nd house). and her Venus is conjunct his Saturn-ASC-conjunction, with Saturn ruling her DESC. It is not quite the marriage rule, but close enough. lol
Personally I would not treat these as absolutes, though, and the parting of ways neither. Might be or might not be.
Or nothing of that kind.
his sid Sun, Moon, MC conjunct my tropical Mars and ASC
his sid Venus conjunct my tropical Venus
my sid Venus conjunct his Mercurymy sid Moon conjunct his Venusmy sid Pluto and MC conjunct his Mars-Jupiter
also looked up the sid/ tropical comparision with Mr Law, for fun
his sid Jupiter-NN conjunct my Sun-Mercuryhis sid Eros conjunct my Psyche. lolhis sid IC conj. my Jupiter-Junohis sid Mars conj. my Uranushis sid Sun conjunct my Neptune-NNhis sid Moon conjunct my MC
my sid Venus conjunct his Neptune-ASC-Venus(my sid Venus is on my NN lol)my sid Sun-Mercury conjuunct his Marsmy sid Uranus conjunct his Pluto-MC
the one I have "dark karma" with
his sid Sun conj. my Mars-ASC-NN-Neptunehis sid Neptune on my Uranushis sid NN on my Chironhis sid Moon on my IC
my sid Venus on his Mercurymy sid Uranus on his Marsmy sid Mars-Neptune-NN-ASC on his NN
doesn´t even look that heavy. lol
So no clue what it really means
quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen:Marriage Rule (a quote from Lois Sargent book actually, the very first I ever read on relationship astrology and one of the best):"The ruler of one Ascendant or Descendant must be conjunct the horizon in the other nativity; or, two of the four rulers of both horizongs must be conjunct, in any combination; or, either ruler, from the other nativity, of one`s horizon must be conjunct one`s Ascendant of Descendant."(orb is 5 degrees btw)Keep in mind though that is just about marriage, nothing said about staying together. lolHe gives some examples to explain the rules:1) Newman and Woodward: both Capricorn rising; her Saturn conjunct his ASC2) Prince Charles and Princess Diana: Diana had Sag rising; her Jupiter was conjunct his Descendant3) Bill and HIllary Clinton: Bill has Aries setting; Hillary has Gemini risng; his Mercury conjunct her Mars(so this works with projected houserulers, too)4) Dwight and Mamie Eisenhower: he had Virgo rising and Pisces setting; her Jupiter,r uler of his DESC, was conjunct his ASC5) John and Jacqueline Kennedy: She had Scorpio rising and Taurus setting; he had Libra rising and Aries setting; his Mars conjoined her Descendant.It is actually a pretty reliable rule. I have seen it being proven ovwer and over again. However I suppose not everyone having this combination, will get married. Just that if people get married, it comes up somehow. Only example where it seemed to fail I could find were my parents interestingly. lolThey have very strong other houseruler connections though, mostly the 8th house rulers in relation to the horizon (plus 5th and 2nd house). and her Venus is conjunct his Saturn-ASC-conjunction, with Saturn ruling her DESC. It is not quite the marriage rule, but close enough. lolPersonally I would not treat these as absolutes, though, and the parting of ways neither. Might be or might not be.
Thank you!
So the rule is a conjunction. I guess other aspects don't count. (for this rule)
Hm...my parents have her DSC ruler conjunct his DSC ruler, out of sign, but 5.44- a bit wide for out of sign
In my synastry, I have DSC ruler trine ASC ruler and DSC ruler trine DSC ruler, but I suppose they can't be included in this rule. Also, DSC ruler (Sun) conjunct ASC (7) -an aspect I consider, obviously hahaha (there is a DW with the other ASC/Sun in close orb).
We'll just have to let the time go by lol
quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen:Mr Sag and me have these conjunctions from sid-tropical (5 degree orb)
Hm...I have an idea...but I need to research more examples.
It looks like you and Jude are about to clear your karma hahahaha you don't have to worry about Mr Sag, no "parting ways" yet hehe
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