posted July 19, 2014 02:42 PM            

your ASC on my Mercury
your Jupiter conjunct my Vertex
Your Moon opposite my Sun
your Pluto conjunct my ASC
your NN conjunct my Pluto
your MC conjunct my Moon
your Antivertex conjunct my Venus
your Venus conjunct my Jupiter

my Vedic to your natal

my IC conjunct your MC
my Moon on your Pluto
my Pluto conjunct your Uranus
my Uranus conjunct your NN
my Jupiter conjunct your DSC and Saturn
my ASC conjunct your Moon

posted July 19, 2014 04:13 PM            

me and C.

my Vedic to his natal
my IC on his Moon (a few minutes)
my Moon conjunct his Saturn and Jupiter
my Mercury conjunct his ASC
my Sun opposite his Sun
my Sun and Neptune conjunct his Neptune
my Saturn opposite his Mercury
my SN on his Mercury (a few minutes) and conjunct Venus
my Juno, Mercury, Amor and Valentine opposite his Mars
my Venus opposite his Venus and Vertex exact
my Ceres conjunct his Jupiter
my Jupiter conjunct his Venus
my Eros opposite his Pholus and Eros
my Psyche opposite his Moon
my Priapus conjunct his Mars

his Vedic to my natal
his Sun conjunct my Mars and MC
his Mercury conjunct my MC
his SN conjunct my Uranus and Neptune
his Ceres opposite my Sun
his MC on my Antivertex (a few minutes)
his Jupiter and Saturn conjunct my ASC
his Uranus and ASC conjunct my Moon and glorious asteroid stellium
his Pholus and Eros conjunct my DSC
his Neptune opposite my Mars
his Chiron opposite my Moon
his Moon in the sign of my Moon
his Mars in the sign of my Mars

posted July 19, 2014 04:45 PM            

"He also found in his research that when two souls end earthly relationships through either divorce or a parting of the ways, significant links were found between the Tropical Zodiac angles in one horoscope and the Sidereal Zodiac position of the planets in the second nativity. Because karma can only manifest on the Cross of Matter where time and space intersect, and these two Zodiacs are either time based (Tropical) or space based (Sidereal), the premise here is that a completion of karma between two souls can be seen through the comparison of the charts of these two Zodiacs."

He interpreted the sidereal one as the karma of completion, while the Draco is about ongoing soulcontracts.

Simply spoken, if you find the usual relationship markers in sidreal-tropical, it means this is the last way round and then you´re done and on your way out.

posted July 19, 2014 04:55 PM            

Time meets space doesn't sound bad to me.

I'm not sure what you mean by the "marriage rule".

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posted July 20, 2014 09:20 AM            

The Tropical Zodiac commences from the Vernal Equinox, which is where the Ecliptic intersects the Equator and thus is a point in time. The Sidereal Zodiac is measured from the star Spica (Virgo 30), or from Aldebaran and Antares (Taurus 15-Scorpio 15), which are points in space. Because of the gravitational effect of the Sun and Moon on the Earth’s polar axis, a slow, swinging motion of the Earth’s axis of rotation occurs. This has the ultimate effect of moving the point at which the Vernal Equinox occurs by one degree each 72 years.

With Zodiac signs being comprised of thirty degrees each, an Astrological Age thus lasts for 2,160 years (72 x 30). A Great Cycle through all twelve signs lasts for 25,900 years. Presently, mankind is in the Age of Pisces which began with the birth of Jesus Christ. The Age of Aquarius will not be commencing until the middle of the 22nd century. It is also of note that at the birth of Christ, the Sidereal and Tropical Zodiacs were aligned for the only time in the Great Cycle of almost 26,000 years. When Jesus said, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End” (Revelation 22:13), He was referring to the simple fact that only He was the One who incarnated at the beginning and the end of the Great Precessional Cycle of 26,000 years. Not Krishna, nor the Buddha, nor Mohammed can make this significant spiritual claim. At the present time, there is about a twenty four degree difference between the Tropical and Sidereal Zodiacs.

The Heliocentric Zodiac is a Sun-centered model measuring the orbits of the planets from the heart of our solar system. The position of the Earth in these charts is 180˚ opposite the position of the Sun in a Tropical nativity. As there are no retrograde planets in a Heliocentric chart, its life force only goes forward into the future. Since there is no Moon in these charts, no memories from the past can affect the present. Because of their relative distance from the Sun, the superior planets of Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune or Pluto are just a few degrees off from their counterparts in a Tropical nativity. However, the personal planets of Mercury, Venus and Mars can be found in different signs than in the Tropical chart; and in the case of the inferior planets, Mercury and Venus, these two can be opposite their Tropical positions, if geocentrically retrograde at birth.

The Draconic Zodiac transfers the North Node of the Moon (the point in the lunar orbit where it intersects the plane of the Ecliptic) to 00˚ 00′ Aries. A chart cast with this zodiac then computes the differential arc between this Aries point and one’s Tropical North Node, and adds this arc to the Luminaries, planets and angles in any nativity. The result is a chart that retains the identical gestalt, or pattern, of the Tropical horoscope, yet now has different Zodiac degrees for everything. The Draconic Zodiac is thus lunar based, whereas the Heliocentric Zodiac is a solar based calculation.

What now emerges when the spiritual astrologer contemplates the intertwining reality of these four Zodiacs is that one is time based (Tropical), one is space based (Sidereal), one is lunar based (Draconic), and one is solar based (Heliocentric). Do all four Zodiacs represent different planes of reality? Can the astrologer now produce a unified field theory to explain their interrelationships?

3. The Four Zodiacs and Different Planes of Reality

In his fourth book, Astrology: A Language of Life, Volume IV – Relationship Analysis, this author outlined these four Zodiacs and linked them with the karma of the space-time continuum as they pertain to human relationships. His research found that when comparing the nativities of family members, there were exact conjunctions between the Tropical Zodiac planets in one chart with the Draconic Zodiac positions in the second chart. The premise here is that an ongoing soul contract exists between parents, children and siblings who reincarnate into the same family system from lifetime to lifetime. This Zodiac is lunar based, thus relating to the karma of ancestral blood lines.

He also found in his research that when two souls end earthly relationships through either divorce or a parting of the ways, significant links were found between the Tropical Zodiac angles in one horoscope and the Sidereal Zodiac position of the planets in the second nativity. Because karma can only manifest on the Cross of Matter where time and space intersect, and these two Zodiacs are either time based (Tropical) or space based (Sidereal), the premise here is that a completion of karma between two souls can be seen through the comparison of the charts of these two Zodiacs.

The Heliocentric Zodiac is infrequently used by astrologers. This Sun-centered model generates a horoscope that symbolizes one’s Christ Consciousness, or one’s Higher Self. This chart, without a Sun position, operates at a level of reality where there is no individual ego, but only one’s Higher Self serving a larger purpose, such as Love, Truth or Beauty. This writer recommends viewing the Heliocentric nativity as representing all that is virtuous within the individual, as if he were operating from pure Spirit. These horoscopes are calculated using Natural Houses, where 00˚ Aries is rising, and as such, house positions of the planets are transcendental in nature, as they are not bound by an earthly Ascendant or Midheaven. The position of the Earth in these charts is 180˚ opposite the position of the Sun in a Tropical nativity, as if it were a reflection of Spirit.

posted July 20, 2014 09:40 AM            

two of them address our ineffable spirit's journey, through time and space, perhaps traveling through different worlds/dimensions

Our Stellar charts:

our Sidereal chart (the stellar chart)
and, a bit closer,

our Helio chart (our stellar, higher self at the level of our star, the Sun)

both of them are a map of our Spirit in its pure form, OUTSIDE/BEYOND incarnation. Helio is like a sparkle of Sidereal, the part of our stellar soul we need in this solar system.

(I'm thinking comparing Helio with Sidereal should be interesting)

two of them are our incarnation charts in this config (the Solar system and the planet Earth), they tell the story of our incarnation here.

Our Tropical chart
Our Draco chart

posted July 20, 2014 11:43 AM            

Of course, a specific theory about past lives and karma is needed to understand/interpret such results. For example, does parting in this life means parting for good? It may as well be true.

I have to think about that.

What do you think?

posted July 22, 2014 07:25 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by cappy1277:
It is completely one sided... his sidereal chart has the same degree conjunctions to my tropical

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So his sidereal pours into your tropical, but not the other way around? let me know if I got it right, cause it sounds very interesting.

Can you list the conjunctions between his sidereal/your tropical?

posted July 22, 2014 08:49 AM            

Blashke was using Woody Allen/MIa Farrow as example to show a whole synastric analysis, step by step.

However he mentioned other cases, too, but all in all the style of this book, is well, I have read it at least 3 times and STILL find new infos there. But it is more or less bits and pieces of information and you have to do a bit of thinking for yourself.

Yes, I think he meant parting for good, at least if you are karmic partners. If the work is done, there is no reason to stay around each other anymore.
However, that probably is not true for twinflames. but who knows maybe one factor in tf-astrology would be to NOT find these connections from sidereal to tropical?
I do not know that though.

BTW I like your view on the zodiacs, I see them the same. Draco and tropical are so tightly interlinked on the earth level.

Helio and sidereal is a little more objective I guess, giving a picture from the bird-view in a spiritual sense.

posted July 22, 2014 09:08 AM            

"The ruler of one Ascendant or Descendant must be conjunct the horizon in the other nativity; or, two of the four rulers of both horizongs must be conjunct, in any combination; or, either ruler, from the other nativity, of one`s horizon must be conjunct one`s Ascendant of Descendant."

(orb is 5 degrees btw)

Keep in mind though that is just about marriage, nothing said about staying together. lol

He gives some examples to explain the rules:

1) Newman and Woodward: both Capricorn rising; her Saturn conjunct his ASC

2) Prince Charles and Princess Diana: Diana had Sag rising; her Jupiter was conjunct his Descendant

3) Bill and HIllary Clinton: Bill has Aries setting; Hillary has Gemini risng; his Mercury conjunct her Mars

(so this works with projected houserulers, too)

4) Dwight and Mamie Eisenhower: he had Virgo rising and Pisces setting; her Jupiter,r uler of his DESC, was conjunct his ASC

5) John and Jacqueline Kennedy: She had Scorpio rising and Taurus setting; he had Libra rising and Aries setting; his Mars conjoined her Descendant.

It is actually a pretty reliable rule. I have seen it being proven ovwer and over again.
However I suppose not everyone having this combination, will get married. Just that if people get married, it comes up somehow.

Only example where it seemed to fail I could find were my parents interestingly. lol

They have very strong other houseruler connections though, mostly the 8th house rulers in relation to the horizon (plus 5th and 2nd house). and her Venus is conjunct his Saturn-ASC-conjunction, with Saturn ruling her DESC. It is not quite the marriage rule, but close enough. lol

posted July 22, 2014 09:28 AM            

his sid Sun, Moon, MC conjunct my tropical Mars and ASC

his sid Venus conjunct my tropical Venus

my sid Venus conjunct his Mercury
my sid Moon conjunct his Venus
my sid Pluto and MC conjunct his Mars-Jupiter

also looked up the sid/ tropical comparision with Mr Law, for fun

his sid Jupiter-NN conjunct my Sun-Mercury
his sid Eros conjunct my Psyche. lol
his sid IC conj. my Jupiter-Juno
his sid Mars conj. my Uranus
his sid Sun conjunct my Neptune-NN
his sid Moon conjunct my MC

my sid Venus conjunct his Neptune-ASC-Venus
(my sid Venus is on my NN lol)
my sid Sun-Mercury conjuunct his Mars
my sid Uranus conjunct his Pluto-MC

the one I have "dark karma" with

his sid Sun conj. my Mars-ASC-NN-Neptune
his sid Neptune on my Uranus
his sid NN on my Chiron
his sid Moon on my IC

my sid Venus on his Mercury
my sid Uranus on his Mars
my sid Mars-Neptune-NN-ASC on his NN

doesn´t even look that heavy. lol

So no clue what it really means

posted July 22, 2014 03:11 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Marriage Rule (a quote from Lois Sargent book actually, the very first I ever read on relationship astrology and one of the best):

"The ruler of one Ascendant or Descendant must be conjunct the horizon in the other nativity; or, two of the four rulers of both horizongs must be conjunct, in any combination; or, either ruler, from the other nativity, of one`s horizon must be conjunct one`s Ascendant of Descendant."

(orb is 5 degrees btw)

Keep in mind though that is just about marriage, nothing said about staying together. lol

He gives some examples to explain the rules:

1) Newman and Woodward: both Capricorn rising; her Saturn conjunct his ASC

2) Prince Charles and Princess Diana: Diana had Sag rising; her Jupiter was conjunct his Descendant

3) Bill and HIllary Clinton: Bill has Aries setting; Hillary has Gemini risng; his Mercury conjunct her Mars

(so this works with projected houserulers, too)

4) Dwight and Mamie Eisenhower: he had Virgo rising and Pisces setting; her Jupiter,r uler of his DESC, was conjunct his ASC

5) John and Jacqueline Kennedy: She had Scorpio rising and Taurus setting; he had Libra rising and Aries setting; his Mars conjoined her Descendant.

It is actually a pretty reliable rule. I have seen it being proven ovwer and over again.
However I suppose not everyone having this combination, will get married. Just that if people get married, it comes up somehow.

Only example where it seemed to fail I could find were my parents interestingly. lol

They have very strong other houseruler connections though, mostly the 8th house rulers in relation to the horizon (plus 5th and 2nd house). and her Venus is conjunct his Saturn-ASC-conjunction, with Saturn ruling her DESC. It is not quite the marriage rule, but close enough. lol

Personally I would not treat these as absolutes, though, and the parting of ways neither. Might be or might not be.

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Thank you!

So the rule is a conjunction. I guess other aspects don't count. (for this rule)

Hm...my parents have her DSC ruler conjunct his DSC ruler, out of sign, but 5.44- a bit wide for out of sign

In my synastry, I have DSC ruler trine ASC ruler and DSC ruler trine DSC ruler, but I suppose they can't be included in this rule. Also, DSC ruler (Sun) conjunct ASC (7) -an aspect I consider, obviously hahaha (there is a DW with the other ASC/Sun in close orb).

We'll just have to let the time go by lol

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posted July 22, 2014 03:15 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Mr Sag and me have these conjunctions from sid-tropical (5 degree orb)

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Hm...I have an idea...but I need to research more examples.

It looks like you and Jude are about to clear your karma hahahaha you don't have to worry about Mr Sag, no "parting ways" yet hehe