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T O P I C R E V I E WCeridwenHow were the progressed aspects with rulers of relationship houses at the onset of a relationship of yours?Could you check with the following parameters:°major aspects plus quindecile and quinkunx°orb: 1°°ruler of 5th, 7th, 8th house to Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, ruler of 1st house, ASC, MC, Vertex, true Lilith and Juno, maybe also Jupiter and Saturn(preferably traditional rulers, too, if a house is ruled by Uranus, neptune or pluto)Ceridwenexample of my parents---------------------his n r5 quindecile her pr MChis n r7 quindecile her pr ICher n r5 quindecile his pr DESChis pr r5 conjunct her n Venushis pr r8 conjunct her pr Saturnher n r5 conjunct his pr Saturnher pr r7 conjunct his pr Marshis pr r5 conjunct her n r5his pr r8 conjunct her pr r8his pr r8 conjunct her pr r7Vajra.LeeLoo2014 I like the use of 1 orb. I assume you want to check peaking?------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...LeeLoo2014 quote:Originally posted by Vajra:Hi Ceridwen,one question for clarification: Do you mean the time of getting to know each other or the time a romantic relationship first started? Somehow in all the examples I could check, these times are rather far apart...I think you can look at both, the FM and the actual onset of the relationship, if there's a distance between them, but let's wait and see what Ceri says ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...LeeLoo2014my natal 5th/8th ruler Mercurymy natal 7th ruler Moon/Sunmy p Sun opp his p Sunmy p Moon sextile his n Sun (1)my p Sun conj his n Uranus (5th ruler) (1)my p Sun trine his n Mercury (ASC,MC ruler) (1)my p Sun trine his n MC/Saturn ( also IC ruler) (1)his natal 5th ruler Uranus/Saturnhis natal 8th ruler Marshis natal 7th ruler Neptune/Jupiterhis p Uranus conj my p Venus (0)his p Uranus conj my p Mars (1)his p Saturn (also IC ruler) trine my p Sun (1)his p Mars trine my p Sun (1)his p Neptune square my p Jupiter (1)his p Neptune quindecile my p IC (1)his p Jupiter conj my p Jupiter (1)his p Uranus conj my n Uranus (ASC ruler) (0)his p Saturn square my n Mars (0)his p Mars square my n Mars (0)I will do Vertex, Juno, Lilith separately. Why Lilith, BTW?And what do you see? ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...Ceridwen quote:Originally posted by Vajra:Hi Ceridwen,one question for clarification: Do you mean the time of getting to know each other or the time a romantic relationship first started? Somehow in all the examples I could check, these times are rather far apart...I mean specificially the time the people became a couple, which in the case of my parents was pretty much the same night I suppose. lol Or just a few days later. However for my friends it was YEARS later.Ceridwen quote:Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: I like the use of 1 orb. I assume you want to check peaking?Yes, Peaking. Also I want to check how important quindeciles are, as well as the relationship house rulers. BTW I mean the houserulers from natal. so if I were to check my 5th house ruler, I would find that Venus rules my natal 5th house, and iwould check the Venus position, natally and progressed. even if the new progressed chart had Gemini on the 5th house cusp (I suspect those would be important, too, but it might get a bit much checking it all. lol)CeridwenLeeloo,first off are you a couple?"my natal 5th/8th ruler Mercurymy natal 7th ruler Moon/Sunmy p Sun opp his p Sunmy p Moon sextile his n Sun (1)my p Sun conj his n Uranus (5th ruler) (1)my p Sun trine his n Mercury (ASC,MC ruler) (1)my p Sun trine his n MC/Saturn ( also IC ruler) (1)"it seems you have or had strong aspects to your 7th house ruler, also connecting to his 5th house ruler. I also take a mental note of uranus.Of course Uranus is generational, but here it is your progressed Sun running into this aspect. I consider checking for Uranus, too and the outers.Here of course it is also personalized due to rulership."his natal 5th ruler Uranus/Saturnhis natal 8th ruler Marshis natal 7th ruler Neptune/Jupiter"A virgo ASC?Same rulerships as my Dad at least. lol"his p Uranus conj my p Venus (0)his p Uranus conj my p Mars (1)"personally I have a flaw for these electric Uranus aspects, and of course here it is the ruler of 5th house."his p Neptune quindecile my p IC (1)"interesiting that the quindecile with an angle occurs here,t oo. It really astounded me seeing in my parents progressed synastry, htough I have to check some more. Maybe it was just coincidence. "Why Lilith, BTW?"I like her No, seriously. I have the sneaking suspicion that while Juno represents "the wife", she might qualify as "the other woman". Or at least a slightly taboo attraction, something that gets under your skin, but you rather leave her a little in the dark, so other people might not know.Maybe I am wrong though. Still researching that one. LeeLoo2014Yes, I think so lol It's a beautiful relationship, but it's new (it will be a year on 25lol) and we haven't moved in together and we're not your traditional couple, so I guess we're not a good example for your research, too young (as a couple). But I still wanted to know your opinion Anyway, I will focus on my parents and other long-terms and perhaps my previous relationships.Yes, Virgo ASC So your father has the same rulers? How about that!Uranus figures strongly, but if you remember, our most significant progressions involving Sun/Venus, Sun/angles, Venus/Mars/angles and Sun/Moon were all applying, generally 2 (in orb)or wider. These are the exact aspects, so to speak.I'll pay attention to the quindecile for you I love Lilith too, it's in my intercepted 1st, I was curious about the reason ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...LeeLoo2014So what you need is h13?CeridwenWell, as long as you are officially a couple, you qualify. "but if you remember, our most significant progressions involving Sun/Venus, Sun/angles, Venus/Mars/angles and Sun/Moon were all applying, generally 2 (in orb)or wider. "Yes, you fit the Venus-theory. It was just I was surprised to find a lack of Venus-progressions to Sun, Venus, Mars, angles at the outset of some longstanding relationships, and I intend to research that phenomenon. I donīt believe in progressed orbs of 4 degrees or more. I mean while they can signify the athmosphere buidling over time, they are not the reason of people getting together like NOW. Something exact will trigger them, at least additionally. another reason for my Lilith- might be the fact that my Solar Return has Lilith (h13, yes, I am always talking about the true one) conjunct ASC exact on 21 Cancer, which incidentally coincides with my natal Vertex, Eros and Sun/Moon-mp, and yes when I say exact I mean, under a degree exact. lol4So it seems that is just on my timetable for now. lolLeeLoo2014The rest of the aspects, before moving on to some seniors lol are:my p Sun trine his p Juno (0)his p Jupiter (7th) conj my n Juno (1)my p Juno quincunx his n Pluto (0)his p Jupiter(7th) quindecile my p Vertex (0)his p Uranus sextile m n Vertex (0)his p Vertex trine my n Mars (0)my p Vertex opp his n Vertex (1) square his natal NN (0) - this combo here looks like a pretty strong contact for a fated meetingmy p Moon conj his n Mean Lilith (0)my p True Lilith square his n Moon (1)so this looks a bit like a Moon/Lilith DW------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...LeeLoo2014My parents, progressed to progressed onlyHer 5th/8th Mercuryher 7th Moon/Sun lolHis 5th Neptune/JupiterHis 8th MercuryHis 7th Venusher p Moon conj his p Saturn (0)(2nd rler) WOW - this is the First Dateher p Sun square his p Saturn (she had an exact p Sun Moon square at the time)her p Sun sextile his p Jupiter (also 2nd ruler)(1)her p Juno quincunx his p Uranus (IC ruler) (0) also semisextile his p Moon (0)her p Lilith conj his p Sun (1) look at that!her p Vertex conj his p MC (0) quincunx his p Lilith (0)his p Neptune square her p Venus (0)his p Venus/Juno trine her p IC (1)his p Venus/Juno quincunx her p Saturn (ASC ruler) (0)pretty outstanding, I'd say... Juno/IC DW------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...Vajra.LeeLoo2014bumpEmGemSo if we look at the sun/Venus conj and trines at the onset of relationships, I've been thinking....would the ruler of either nSUN or nVENUS conjunct or trine the others progressed sun/Venus or vice versa work as a relationship starter?E.g. My natal sun ruler = Mercury in Leo (progressed) applying trine to his natal Venus in Aries and applying conjunction to his natal moon in Leo.Anyone ?
Could you check with the following parameters:
°major aspects plus quindecile and quinkunx
°orb: 1°
°ruler of 5th, 7th, 8th house to Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, ruler of 1st house, ASC, MC, Vertex, true Lilith and Juno, maybe also Jupiter and Saturn(preferably traditional rulers, too, if a house is ruled by Uranus, neptune or pluto)
his n r5 quindecile her pr MChis n r7 quindecile her pr ICher n r5 quindecile his pr DESC
his pr r5 conjunct her n Venushis pr r8 conjunct her pr Saturnher n r5 conjunct his pr Saturnher pr r7 conjunct his pr Mars
his pr r5 conjunct her n r5his pr r8 conjunct her pr r8his pr r8 conjunct her pr r7
------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...
quote:Originally posted by Vajra:Hi Ceridwen,one question for clarification: Do you mean the time of getting to know each other or the time a romantic relationship first started? Somehow in all the examples I could check, these times are rather far apart...
one question for clarification: Do you mean the time of getting to know each other or the time a romantic relationship first started? Somehow in all the examples I could check, these times are rather far apart...
I think you can look at both, the FM and the actual onset of the relationship, if there's a distance between them, but let's wait and see what Ceri says
my p Sun opp his p Sunmy p Moon sextile his n Sun (1)my p Sun conj his n Uranus (5th ruler) (1)my p Sun trine his n Mercury (ASC,MC ruler) (1)my p Sun trine his n MC/Saturn ( also IC ruler) (1)
his natal 5th ruler Uranus/Saturnhis natal 8th ruler Marshis natal 7th ruler Neptune/Jupiter
his p Uranus conj my p Venus (0)his p Uranus conj my p Mars (1)his p Saturn (also IC ruler) trine my p Sun (1)his p Mars trine my p Sun (1)his p Neptune square my p Jupiter (1)his p Neptune quindecile my p IC (1)his p Jupiter conj my p Jupiter (1)
his p Uranus conj my n Uranus (ASC ruler) (0)his p Saturn square my n Mars (0)his p Mars square my n Mars (0)
I will do Vertex, Juno, Lilith separately. Why Lilith, BTW?
And what do you see?
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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...
I mean specificially the time the people became a couple, which in the case of my parents was pretty much the same night I suppose. lol Or just a few days later. However for my friends it was YEARS later.
quote:Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: I like the use of 1 orb. I assume you want to check peaking?
Yes, Peaking.
Also I want to check how important quindeciles are, as well as the relationship house rulers.
BTW I mean the houserulers from natal.
so if I were to check my 5th house ruler, I would find that Venus rules my natal 5th house, and iwould check the Venus position, natally and progressed. even if the new progressed chart had Gemini on the 5th house cusp (I suspect those would be important, too, but it might get a bit much checking it all. lol)
first off are you a couple?
"my natal 5th/8th ruler Mercurymy natal 7th ruler Moon/Sunmy p Sun opp his p Sunmy p Moon sextile his n Sun (1)my p Sun conj his n Uranus (5th ruler) (1)my p Sun trine his n Mercury (ASC,MC ruler) (1)my p Sun trine his n MC/Saturn ( also IC ruler) (1)"
it seems you have or had strong aspects to your 7th house ruler, also connecting to his 5th house ruler. I also take a mental note of uranus.Of course Uranus is generational, but here it is your progressed Sun running into this aspect. I consider checking for Uranus, too and the outers.Here of course it is also personalized due to rulership.
"his natal 5th ruler Uranus/Saturnhis natal 8th ruler Marshis natal 7th ruler Neptune/Jupiter"A virgo ASC?
Same rulerships as my Dad at least. lol
"his p Uranus conj my p Venus (0)his p Uranus conj my p Mars (1)"personally I have a flaw for these electric Uranus aspects, and of course here it is the ruler of 5th house.
"his p Neptune quindecile my p IC (1)"interesiting that the quindecile with an angle occurs here,t oo. It really astounded me seeing in my parents progressed synastry, htough I have to check some more. Maybe it was just coincidence.
"Why Lilith, BTW?"I like her
No, seriously. I have the sneaking suspicion that while Juno represents "the wife", she might qualify as "the other woman". Or at least a slightly taboo attraction, something that gets under your skin, but you rather leave her a little in the dark, so other people might not know.Maybe I am wrong though. Still researching that one.
Yes, Virgo ASC So your father has the same rulers? How about that!
Uranus figures strongly, but if you remember, our most significant progressions involving Sun/Venus, Sun/angles, Venus/Mars/angles and Sun/Moon were all applying, generally 2 (in orb)or wider. These are the exact aspects, so to speak.
I'll pay attention to the quindecile for you
I love Lilith too, it's in my intercepted 1st, I was curious about the reason
"but if you remember, our most significant progressions involving Sun/Venus, Sun/angles, Venus/Mars/angles and Sun/Moon were all applying, generally 2 (in orb)or wider. "Yes, you fit the Venus-theory. It was just I was surprised to find a lack of Venus-progressions to Sun, Venus, Mars, angles at the outset of some longstanding relationships, and I intend to research that phenomenon. I donīt believe in progressed orbs of 4 degrees or more. I mean while they can signify the athmosphere buidling over time, they are not the reason of people getting together like NOW. Something exact will trigger them, at least additionally.
another reason for my Lilith- might be the fact that my Solar Return has Lilith (h13, yes, I am always talking about the true one) conjunct ASC exact on 21 Cancer, which incidentally coincides with my natal Vertex, Eros and Sun/Moon-mp, and yes when I say exact I mean, under a degree exact. lol4So it seems that is just on my timetable for now. lol
my p Sun trine his p Juno (0)his p Jupiter (7th) conj my n Juno (1)my p Juno quincunx his n Pluto (0)
his p Jupiter(7th) quindecile my p Vertex (0)his p Uranus sextile m n Vertex (0)his p Vertex trine my n Mars (0)my p Vertex opp his n Vertex (1) square his natal NN (0) - this combo here looks like a pretty strong contact for a fated meeting
my p Moon conj his n Mean Lilith (0)my p True Lilith square his n Moon (1)so this looks a bit like a Moon/Lilith DW
Her 5th/8th Mercuryher 7th Moon/Sun lol
His 5th Neptune/JupiterHis 8th MercuryHis 7th Venus
her p Moon conj his p Saturn (0)(2nd rler) WOW - this is the First Dateher p Sun square his p Saturn (she had an exact p Sun Moon square at the time)
her p Sun sextile his p Jupiter (also 2nd ruler)(1)her p Juno quincunx his p Uranus (IC ruler) (0) also semisextile his p Moon (0)her p Lilith conj his p Sun (1) look at that!her p Vertex conj his p MC (0) quincunx his p Lilith (0)his p Neptune square her p Venus (0)his p Venus/Juno trine her p IC (1)his p Venus/Juno quincunx her p Saturn (ASC ruler) (0)
pretty outstanding, I'd say... Juno/IC DW
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