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T O P I C R E V I E WAunt AnomaliaI mean...aspecting Lilith Only the natural apogee is allowed.Any stories?Do you think it's possible to have a connection without sexual attraction on neither side when they aspect each other very tightly in synastry and there's a connection in the composite too?------------------Anomaling around since 1911.LaceyLeighMy mom's Priapus conjuncts my stepdad's Natural Lilith. Lilith and Priapus make a conjunction in the composite, as well. I have never witnessed any sexual tension in their relationship, and I don't believe that they're sexually active, at least, not now - they have been married for about 10+ years and they're both in their mid-60's. My mom did "stalk" him in a chatroom, however. He wouldn't talk to her at first, but she got her way in the end. :PAubyanne quote:Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:Do you think it's possible to have a connection without sexual attraction on neither side when they aspect each other very tightly in synastry and there's a connection in the composite too? Granted, we're talking an exact conjunction here. But still. We're asexual. Really. We really, truly are. And we've proved that many, many times, too! We also have this crazy compulsion to engage in sexual relations -- only with each other, and, only if the other is down for it.It's kind of the weirdest thing I've ever seen -- but I love it.His BML (mean) conjunct my (natural) PRIAPUS (0º)My BML (mean) conjunct his PRIAPUS (true) (2º)Not sure if it works both ways, actually. That may be 'crossing the streams'. Eh, in any case. His PRIAPUS does otherwise aspect my tropical natal rather heavily.EmGemIs priapus h22?yungang_grottoEmGem, ya quote:Originally posted by Aubyanne: Granted, we're talking an exact conjunction here. But still. We're asexual. Really. We really, truly are. And we've proved that many, many times, too! We also have this crazy compulsion to engage in sexual relations -- only with each other, and, only if the other is down for it.It's kind of the weirdest thing I've ever seen -- but I love it.His BML (mean) conjunct my (mean) PRIAPUS (0º)My BML (mean) conjunct his PRIAPUS (true) (2º)Not sure if it works both ways, actually. That may be 'crossing the streams'. Eh, in any case. His PRIAPUS does otherwise aspect my tropical natal rather heavily.Whoa Auby that's a pretty amazing d/w!! I mean it doesn't do to be amazed by the ongoing incredible-ness perhaps but wow! No wonder! CeridwenYou mean natural Priapus (h22), right, Auby?I don´t think a mean Priapus exists. Aubyanne quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen:You mean natural Priapus (h22), right, Auby?I don´t think a mean Priapus exists. That's the one. Natural. As opposed to the point exactly opposite mean BML. That's why I became confused. Aunt AnomaliaOk, once again. I want to discuss Priapus (h22) and Lilith (h21) ONLY. They're the true pairing and I decided to use only this Lilith in relation to Priapus. If someone's bummed out, you can make another thread with all the Liliths allowed ------------------Anomaling around since 1911.Aubyanne quote:Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:Ok, once again. I want to discuss Priapus (h22) and Lilith (h21) ONLY. They're the true pairing and I decided to use only this Lilith in relation to Priapus. If someone's bummed out, you can make another thread with all the Liliths allowed Natural meaning true? Gotcha. You'd just mentioned apogee only, so I thought you were comparing to the asteroid. No experience there. None personally. I've found the mean placements to be very potent. Aunt Anomalia quote:You'd just mentioned apogee only, so I thought you were comparing to the asteroid. I thought I was clear enough by stating the number in the title. quote:Natural meaning true?*sigh*h21 Interpolated Lunar Apogee (Lilith), also called 'Natural Apogee'How would you estimate the potency of a trine between male's Priapus and female's Lilith if the orb is 5 minutes? They also form a grand trine with female's Jupiter if around 1.40 deg isn't too much. In the composite there's a 2 deg opposition.---Anomaling around since 1911.Aubyanne quote:Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:I thought I was clear enough by stating the number in the title.In all honesty, you likely were. I was just exhausted and barely awake. It never matters THAT much to me, but probably should. This is why:BML | 21º LIB 11 (mean)H21 | 21º LIB 44 (interpolated?)H13 | 00º SCO 24 (true)H22 | 20º ARI 02 (priapus)So, as you can see, the dropdown BML (no numerical identifier) is essentially 0º30 off of H21 -- which, I believe, is the interpolated? I get confused, honestly, and for me -- it's just no big deal. 0º30? I'm good.The true calculation, however -- h13 -- is a good 9º off, and just into Scorpio. It's also right on my DEJANIRA. So, that wasn't an accident. I've never really gotten how they're truly distinct from one another, however -- and I've done my research. First, there's little agreement, and, secondly, there's little logical reason for that distinction anyway. And don't get me started on Waldemath. I get it, but, enough is enough!I'm personally good with the asteroid (1181), either H21 or the dropdown, and the true (H13). But, again, that's because there's virtually no difference between my dropdown BML and the H21 calculation. I lose track. Interpolated? Oscillating? (I think that's the 'true' calculation.) What the hell's the difference in calculation between the dropdown and H21? In delineation? Or I'm just a bad candidate for exploring them, being they're virtually identical. Jack's isn't much better: all three are basically identical:BML | 20º ARI 46 (mean)H21 | 19º ARI 43 (interpolated?)H13 | 19º ARI 25 (true) His mean is the furthest from the other two calculations, rather than the true being the most distinct (as it is with me).So, all in all, I guess what I'm saying is that I don't see the distinction between using H21 over the Mean. I can see why the true calculation (oscillating, I believe) differs -- even dramatically. But, for many, the H21 and Mean are virtually identical, so I'm not sure it matters. They may prove interchangeable, with the reason why one is 'activated' over the other being what really matters. I'm not sure. More research is needed.CeridwenI seem to notice an interesting thing. Whenever in a chart the h21 Lilith is closer to true Lilith, people seem to identify more with true LIlith than mean; however in cases when h21 is closer to mean Lilith, often the mean Lilith is being favoured. I used to be VERY certain true Lilith is the right one and still can`t really let go of it emotionally. lol but in my case true Lilith and interpolated/ natural Lilith are just 0°39 off each other. And yes I`ve always favoured true one. However not long ago I made a little checkup. as I wrote in a thread of Seimei:"So last month I did a little research about Priapus/perigee and supermoons.A Supermoon is a fullmoon or New Moon, which has the closest distance of the Moon to earth (the perigee), which also of course puts the Priapus/Perigee in opposition with Sun, and hence conjunct the Earth-Moon-complex.So I looked it up, which Priapus would make the closer conjunctions/oppositions to Earth-Moon and Sun, the true or natural one. I DID expect the true one to win out, but I was wrong. In each case I checked the natural/ interpolated one was making the closer aspect. *sighs* And I SO adore true (or osc.) Lilith. But at least in terms of apogee and perigee, the natural/ interpolated one is closest to the astronomical truth" http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/233480.html Aunt AnomaliaWell...h13 is widishly conjunct my IC which kinda makes sense and h21 is square my ASC more tightly. They're conjunct by <3. I'm not saying other Liliths can't be useful.------------------Anomaling around since 1911.mir quote:Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:Ok, once again. I want to discuss Priapus (h22) and Lilith (h21) ONLY. They're the true pairing and I decided to use only this Lilith in relation to Priapus. If someone's bummed out, you can make another thread with all the Liliths allowed ^ Yea me too!I went through an old thread from 2013 yesterday and thought.. what a BIG mystery behind those points!I quote what I had with my last one (from that thread); quote:So here the true results of our Lilith/Priapus (h21/h22 ONLY!) comparison;- His priapus conjunct composite ascendant (0,38) - My priapus conjunct composite MC (1,10)- His priapus/lilith midpoint conjunct composite IC (2'30) ~ {+ opp. my priapus 3,5}- My priapus/Lilith midpoint conjunct composite DESC (2'22) ~ {+ opp. his priapus 3}And you know what I have NOW?My lilith/priapus midpoint; 26'45 SagHis Priapus; 26'54 SagHis lilith/priapus midpoint; 7'43 LibraMy lilith; 9'30 LibraHUH? again such an amazing alignment?What *IS* it with those (mid)points!??athenaiaCan we clarify what Priapus is supposed to represent? I've been through all the Priapus threads on LL and it's all quite ambiguous to me still
Any stories?
Do you think it's possible to have a connection without sexual attraction on neither side when they aspect each other very tightly in synastry and there's a connection in the composite too?
------------------Anomaling around since 1911.
Lilith and Priapus make a conjunction in the composite, as well.
I have never witnessed any sexual tension in their relationship, and I don't believe that they're sexually active, at least, not now - they have been married for about 10+ years and they're both in their mid-60's.
My mom did "stalk" him in a chatroom, however. He wouldn't talk to her at first, but she got her way in the end. :P
quote:Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:Do you think it's possible to have a connection without sexual attraction on neither side when they aspect each other very tightly in synastry and there's a connection in the composite too?
Granted, we're talking an exact conjunction here. But still.
We're asexual. Really. We really, truly are. And we've proved that many, many times, too! We also have this crazy compulsion to engage in sexual relations -- only with each other, and, only if the other is down for it.
It's kind of the weirdest thing I've ever seen -- but I love it.
His BML (mean) conjunct my (natural) PRIAPUS (0º)My BML (mean) conjunct his PRIAPUS (true) (2º)
Not sure if it works both ways, actually. That may be 'crossing the streams'. Eh, in any case. His PRIAPUS does otherwise aspect my tropical natal rather heavily.
quote:Originally posted by Aubyanne: Granted, we're talking an exact conjunction here. But still. We're asexual. Really. We really, truly are. And we've proved that many, many times, too! We also have this crazy compulsion to engage in sexual relations -- only with each other, and, only if the other is down for it.It's kind of the weirdest thing I've ever seen -- but I love it.His BML (mean) conjunct my (mean) PRIAPUS (0º)My BML (mean) conjunct his PRIAPUS (true) (2º)Not sure if it works both ways, actually. That may be 'crossing the streams'. Eh, in any case. His PRIAPUS does otherwise aspect my tropical natal rather heavily.
His BML (mean) conjunct my (mean) PRIAPUS (0º)My BML (mean) conjunct his PRIAPUS (true) (2º)
Whoa Auby that's a pretty amazing d/w!! I mean it doesn't do to be amazed by the ongoing incredible-ness perhaps but wow! No wonder!
quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen:You mean natural Priapus (h22), right, Auby?I don´t think a mean Priapus exists.
That's the one. Natural. As opposed to the point exactly opposite mean BML. That's why I became confused.
quote:Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:Ok, once again. I want to discuss Priapus (h22) and Lilith (h21) ONLY. They're the true pairing and I decided to use only this Lilith in relation to Priapus. If someone's bummed out, you can make another thread with all the Liliths allowed
Natural meaning true? Gotcha. You'd just mentioned apogee only, so I thought you were comparing to the asteroid.
No experience there. None personally. I've found the mean placements to be very potent.
quote:You'd just mentioned apogee only, so I thought you were comparing to the asteroid.
quote:Natural meaning true?
How would you estimate the potency of a trine between male's Priapus and female's Lilith if the orb is 5 minutes? They also form a grand trine with female's Jupiter if around 1.40 deg isn't too much. In the composite there's a 2 deg opposition.
---Anomaling around since 1911.
quote:Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:I thought I was clear enough by stating the number in the title.
In all honesty, you likely were. I was just exhausted and barely awake. It never matters THAT much to me, but probably should. This is why:
BML | 21º LIB 11 (mean)H21 | 21º LIB 44 (interpolated?)H13 | 00º SCO 24 (true)
H22 | 20º ARI 02 (priapus)
So, as you can see, the dropdown BML (no numerical identifier) is essentially 0º30 off of H21 -- which, I believe, is the interpolated? I get confused, honestly, and for me -- it's just no big deal. 0º30? I'm good.
The true calculation, however -- h13 -- is a good 9º off, and just into Scorpio. It's also right on my DEJANIRA. So, that wasn't an accident.
I've never really gotten how they're truly distinct from one another, however -- and I've done my research. First, there's little agreement, and, secondly, there's little logical reason for that distinction anyway. And don't get me started on Waldemath. I get it, but, enough is enough!
I'm personally good with the asteroid (1181), either H21 or the dropdown, and the true (H13). But, again, that's because there's virtually no difference between my dropdown BML and the H21 calculation. I lose track. Interpolated? Oscillating? (I think that's the 'true' calculation.) What the hell's the difference in calculation between the dropdown and H21? In delineation? Or I'm just a bad candidate for exploring them, being they're virtually identical. Jack's isn't much better: all three are basically identical:
BML | 20º ARI 46 (mean)H21 | 19º ARI 43 (interpolated?)H13 | 19º ARI 25 (true)
His mean is the furthest from the other two calculations, rather than the true being the most distinct (as it is with me).
So, all in all, I guess what I'm saying is that I don't see the distinction between using H21 over the Mean. I can see why the true calculation (oscillating, I believe) differs -- even dramatically. But, for many, the H21 and Mean are virtually identical, so I'm not sure it matters. They may prove interchangeable, with the reason why one is 'activated' over the other being what really matters. I'm not sure. More research is needed.
Whenever in a chart the h21 Lilith is closer to true Lilith, people seem to identify more with true LIlith than mean; however in cases when h21 is closer to mean Lilith, often the mean Lilith is being favoured.
I used to be VERY certain true Lilith is the right one and still can`t really let go of it emotionally. lol but in my case true Lilith and interpolated/ natural Lilith are just 0°39 off each other. And yes I`ve always favoured true one.
However not long ago I made a little checkup. as I wrote in a thread of Seimei:
"So last month I did a little research about Priapus/perigee and supermoons.
A Supermoon is a fullmoon or New Moon, which has the closest distance of the Moon to earth (the perigee), which also of course puts the Priapus/Perigee in opposition with Sun, and hence conjunct the Earth-Moon-complex.
So I looked it up, which Priapus would make the closer conjunctions/oppositions to Earth-Moon and Sun, the true or natural one. I DID expect the true one to win out, but I was wrong. In each case I checked the natural/ interpolated one was making the closer aspect. *sighs* And I SO adore true (or osc.) Lilith. But at least in terms of apogee and perigee, the natural/ interpolated one is closest to the astronomical truth" http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/233480.html
^ Yea me too!
I went through an old thread from 2013 yesterday and thought.. what a BIG mystery behind those points!
I quote what I had with my last one (from that thread);
quote:So here the true results of our Lilith/Priapus (h21/h22 ONLY!) comparison;- His priapus conjunct composite ascendant (0,38) - My priapus conjunct composite MC (1,10)- His priapus/lilith midpoint conjunct composite IC (2'30) ~ {+ opp. my priapus 3,5}- My priapus/Lilith midpoint conjunct composite DESC (2'22) ~ {+ opp. his priapus 3}
- His priapus conjunct composite ascendant (0,38) - My priapus conjunct composite MC (1,10)
- His priapus/lilith midpoint conjunct composite IC (2'30) ~ {+ opp. my priapus 3,5}- My priapus/Lilith midpoint conjunct composite DESC (2'22) ~ {+ opp. his priapus 3}
And you know what I have NOW?
My lilith/priapus midpoint; 26'45 SagHis Priapus; 26'54 Sag
His lilith/priapus midpoint; 7'43 LibraMy lilith; 9'30 Libra
HUH? again such an amazing alignment?
What *IS* it with those (mid)points!??
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